Week 1 Game Impressions: Fins @ Browns

[jrb12711]

I swear I'm just so on the fence about Weeden and Trent today. Weeden made some good and bad throws and at least two of the int's hit our receivers hands. Trent didn't do anything amazing but only got 15 touches. Also, on at least half of his carries there were 3 guys in our backfield by the time he got the ball. Same with Weeden: it's hard to make a read when Cameron Wake is eating your lunch by the time you take two steps. Is it really fair to put that on those guys or is it just things they're doing wrong?

All in all today was a huge disappointment. If Skrine looked bad then Owens looked miserable. I know McFadden is a rookie but he can't be worse than those guys. The only bright spot is we legit might have a top 3 run stopping front 7. I just wish and hope Horton calls more pressure off the edge instead of up the middle. I'm encouraged they looked that good without Mingo too.

[BrownsKidd]

@shep said:

Peyton Manning's at QB, line looks better, receivers are magically fantastic... he's done it over and over in two cities now. It would happen in Cleveland, too.

Weeden has a great arm. He isn't that QB who does things that make everybody around him look better... and those are the guys who win a lot of games. It's become a necessity to be a winning team over a period of time... and I just don't think Weeden is going to be a Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Kaepernick, Flacco, Roethlisberger, etc. I just don't see it. I don't see the endless possibilities I see when watching RG3 or Luck or Kaep or even Tannehill, who is physically unlimited, basically.

I see more Derek Anderson than I want to. I see a guy who turns a busted pocket into a sack, not a scramble for 8 yards. I'm definitely willing to feel differently, change my mind, but here's the thing: You're not gonna find better OL personnel on Green Bay... but you're gonna find a much better quarterback performance. Go figure. I'd never even heard of their left tackle (in for Bulaga) or a couple other guys on that line, yet Rodgers still puts up big numbers. Neither Cobb or Nelson were first round draft picks but they're great now. Hmm.

Tom Brady doesn't have superstar OL or any receivers at all, really... yet he puts up 280 2/1 and wins the game. He's been doing it since he took his first snap.

I want my mind to be changed. That'd be WAY more fun. But I don't see it after 25 preseason and regular season games.

But yeah, we agree: Oniel Cousins had one of the worst games I've ever seen by a guard. And Trent Richardson, #3 overall pick, worth a #4 overall plus a third round pick (where Bernard Pierce was selected) had his usual 3.6 yards per carry.

I agree with just about it all. I do think they should have ran Trich outside a little more like they did early on. I think Campbell will be coming in sooner than we might think if Weeds can't get it together and I won't be disappointed. I liked Weeds. I want to see him excel. But if he can't wrap his head around the game he won't. All those QB's you mention and weeds all have the physical ability. The difference is the mental game. The one big criticism with Weeds is how well he handles pocket pressure and he doesn't handle it well. Granted out right side was pathetic today. But weeds has to feel it and make the right decision. And that is what separated Weeds from the Mannings, Rodgers and Bradys.

[slimdawg]

@brownskidd said:

If see Little one more time make his hand gestures when making a catch (his job by the way) and then crap the bed the rest of the game I will literally drive to Berea, drop a giant deuce in that douche.

As soon as little made that catch on that slant(damn good catch) and then popped up and did his childish "look at me, I'm sooo great" shit, I knew, I just F'N knew he wasn't gonna do shit the rest of the game.....I called it right then and there.

My new nickname for little is " ricochet' lmao

Every time he trys to catch it, it just ricochets off of his hands.

Need to do what they did to Franklin in the movie the replacements, put some damn stickum on his hands!!!

[jrb12711]

Another huge thing is confidence in your guys. The reason guys like Rodgers look even better is they'll throw the 50/50 balls to their WRs. They'll throw the back shoulder fades cause they trust their guys to make the plays. Honestly, if you were Weeden would you have that trust in our WRs?

[hx214]

@tour2ma said:

Gordon helps, if his head is right... just not sure it is based on his preseason body language.

But again as Shep is saying it's on Wheezy... and setting aside the athleticism (he actually moved better than I expected today and made one pretty nice throw on the run... the one Cam leapt to snag).... what's bothering me is the continuing apparent lack of any pre-snap reads.

And sure, you don't audible in Norv's system.. blah blah blah... but you can sure as hell make line calls. He made one today on a running play to TR (still went for zip), but not on the 3rd and 2 pass I wrote about earlier that ended up with him sacked.

It's the real difference between a thrower and an NFL calibre QB... may be in Wheezy, but haven't seen it yet.

I agree. That's the most frustrating part.

How about the 4th down play deep in his own territory when Wake lines up uncovered and the TE and Obie line up on the opposite side... A middle school QB could have seen that and looked at his RB and said, "go stand on that side". Instead Obie has to run around behind him and get run over...

I also never understand his last play of the game thinking. 4th down last ditch effort, rolls out of the pocket being chased nothing to lose, can't find anybody open, he freezes then throws it in the stands. Ya, he is running for his life, but throw the damn thing up for grabs somewhere, throw it in the general area of a WR and give it a chance... He did that more than a few times last year too.

Other than that though, I felt he looked a bit better. He has a strong throw. Needs to work on his touch, pre snap reads... Just stuff you'd think a 1st round draft pick wouldn't... It sucks, but he is serviceable. Just not anything to write home about.

Just run the damn ball...

[D Bone]

Looked better than what? Have our standards been lowered so much by terrible play that we think today's QB play looked.........better?? Holy cow.

[hx214]

@d-bone said:

Looked better than what? Have our standards been lowered so much by terrible play that we think today's QB play looked.........better?? Holy cow.

Better than he did last year. Better than he did in the third preseason game, better than throwing 9 different QB's into the game during the season. jesus not long ago we started Ken Dorsey and Brad or Bruce Grandkoski(whatever the hell his name is) all in the same season, so take your pick on what "better" you want.

Whether you like it or not, the Browns are stuck with him. What are you going to do now put Campbell in? Dude couldn't even lock down the job in Oakland and they started Pryor today. But sure throw him in and when he sucks it up call up tebow, McCoy and anybody else.

And ya standards are low when you suck in the first place. Ill tell you right now I felt like the Weeden pick was the worst knee jerk reaction pick this team could have ever made, and I hated it then and still hate it now, but I'd rather see Weeden then some parade of backups and has beens.

Just run the damn ball....

[nickers]

@hx214 said:

Better than he did last year. Better than he did in the third preseason game, better than throwing 9 different QB's into the game during the season. jesus not long ago we started Ken Dorsey and Brad Grandkoski(whatever the hell his name is) all in the same season, so take your pick on what "better" you want.

Whether you like it or not, the Browns are stuck with him. What are you going to do now put Campbell in? Dude couldn't even lock down the job in Oakland and they started Pryor today. But sure throw him in and when he sucks it up call up tebow, McCoy and anybody else.

And ya standards are low when you suck in the first place. Ill tell you right now I felt like the Weeden pick was the worst knee jerk reaction pick this team could have ever made, and I hated it then and still hate it now, but I'd rather see Weeden then some parade of backups and has beens.

Just run the damn ball....

Into an 8 man front...

[thenew23]

The play calling was very questionable. Weeden threw 53 passes. That's the 2nd most in the league this week by ANY QB, all-the-while Richardson, our "horse" had a measly 13 carries. WTF was that?? I thought Norv said TRich would get 300 carries, at this pace he'll end up with barely 200...

Overall these 2 teams were evenly matched, the biggest difference was the WRs. Because of that, we should have just played out strength with TRich through the air and ground. He should have gotten 25 carries and caught 5-7 passes. I don't understand why they abandoned their play maker so early in the game and leave their QB hanging out to dry... oh well, maybe next week...

Go Browns!!

[D Bone]

Because after the 1st drive of the game our #3 hall of fame to be back, tippy toed his way through the rest of the game.

[miktoxic]

our FO especially GMs in the past 3 decades have made some of the most questionable and worse picks that have kept us in the basement since i .......uh...........?????????

[hx214]

@nickers said:

nickers, on 08 Sept 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

Into an 8 man front...

Yep. When you come out of half time with the lead after a first half when your QB and WRs cough the ball up, and when your #1 reciever is Greg Little for the day, and Cousins is protecting my right side, I'd run into an 11 man front with T. Rich. To the left side.

It takes more than 13 carries to get a run game going. 3.6 yards a carry is a hell of a lot better than a bunch of 3 and outs

[BrownsKidd]

@hx214 said:

Yep. When you come out of half time with the lead after a first half when your QB and WRs cough the ball up, and when your #1 reciever is Greg Little for the day, and Cousins is protecting my right side, I'd run into an 11 man front with T. Rich. To the left side.

It takes more than 13 carries to get a run game going. 3.6 yards a carry is a hell of a lot better than a bunch of 3 and outs

Rich had some success early on. Then everything started up the middle. I don't remember anything outside at all. No sweeps.. no screens. I haven't lost hope in Richardson yet. I think he has a lot of talent and potential, he just needs to remember North and South, positive yards. No more dancing. Our line played like crap. If you don't have a O-Line, your screwed.

[calfoxwc]

Rich had some success early on. Then everything started up the middle. I don't remember anything outside at all. No sweeps.. no screens. Brownskidd

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Exactly. I kept calling for a pitchout to TR - mostly to the right, because it seems the Miami defense was setting in

to whomp on TR running to the left between Thomas and Mack. Interesting,

btw, in the talk about Peyton and Brady earlier...

They both had Welker, who gets open on most every ? play. Very, very elusive. Look at ?Cincy - they have

A. J. Green who does it all, including getting open. Pittsboob Squeelers - Ben R. isn't so much

with less oline, and no Hines Ward, eh?

And Baltiwhore? They lost too. Oops, that big catch everything, gets open wr left.

Brady struggled in that last game. Peyton has Welker now.

I will say this - seems like other teams hit wr's on the move, and the wr's take off without losing a step.

Weeds - he gets the ball to them, and all too often, they fall down trying to adjust their body postion to bring it in.

Weeden had a very inaccurate day. Too much pressure, and it gets to his ability to throw on time, throw with placement

for the wr to just nab it and take off.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

For the record, I was exactly right about Wallace.

I'm pulling a Ghoolie and tooting my own horn.

[slowburn]

Ghoolie is Gomer's man bitch.

[nickers]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

For the record, I was exactly right about Wallace.

I'm pulling a Ghoolie and tooting my own horn.

Mike Wallace stinks...He only caught 1 pass yesterday,and has been making a stink over it all morning and his team won...I want no part of that diva schmuck!

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

@nickers said:

Mike Wallace stinks...He only caught 1 pass yesterday,and has been making a stink over it all morning and his team won...I want no part of that diva schmuck!

I said last week he'd only have one catch for very little yards.

As a #1 receiver, Wallace has had very little production against the Browns. Last year he had 1 catch for 9 yards. For the whole season.

[nickers]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I said last week he'd only have one catch for very little yards.

As a #1 receiver, Wallace has had very little production against the Browns. Last year he had 1 catch for 9 yards. For the whole season.

Good call...Theres a reason the Steelers didnt keep him around...Im actually afraid Gordon with all of his physical potential will blow it..But even if he had played...I doubt the outcome would be affected.

[thenew23]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I said last week he'd only have one catch for very little yards.

As a #1 receiver, Wallace has had very little production against the Browns. Last year he had 1 catch for 9 yards. For the whole season.

Not easy going against Joe Haden man-to-man. He shuts down pretty much everybody. The problem is, it makes the opposing offense look at just one side of the field, which makes reads easier for opposing QBs. We NEED Skrine/Owens/our Safeties/ and LBs to step up in pass coverage.