Week 1 Game Impressions: Fins @ Browns
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Gordon helps, if his head is right... just not sure it is based on his preseason body language.
But again as Shep is saying it's on Wheezy... and setting aside the athleticism (he actually moved better than I expected today and made one pretty nice throw on the run... the one Cam leapt to snag).... what's bothering me is the continuing apparent lack of any pre-snap reads.
And sure, you don't audible in Norv's system.. blah blah blah... but you can sure as hell make line calls. He made one today on a running play to TR (still went for zip), but not on the 3rd and 2 pass I wrote about earlier that ended up with him sacked.
It's the real difference between a thrower and an NFL calibre QB... may be in Wheezy, but haven't seen it yet.
I agree. That's the most frustrating part.Gordon helps, if his head is right... just not sure it is based on his preseason body language.
But again as Shep is saying it's on Wheezy... and setting aside the athleticism (he actually moved better than I expected today and made one pretty nice throw on the run... the one Cam leapt to snag).... what's bothering me is the continuing apparent lack of any pre-snap reads.
And sure, you don't audible in Norv's system.. blah blah blah... but you can sure as hell make line calls. He made one today on a running play to TR (still went for zip), but not on the 3rd and 2 pass I wrote about earlier that ended up with him sacked.
It's the real difference between a thrower and an NFL calibre QB... may be in Wheezy, but haven't seen it yet.
How about the 4th down play deep in his own territory when Wake lines up uncovered and the TE and Obie line up on the opposite side... A middle school QB could have seen that and looked at his RB and said, "go stand on that side". Instead Obie has to run around behind him and get run over...
I also never understand his last play of the game thinking. 4th down last ditch effort, rolls out of the pocket being chased nothing to lose, can't find anybody open, he freezes then throws it in the stands. Ya, he is running for his life, but throw the damn thing up for grabs somewhere, throw it in the general area of a WR and give it a chance... He did that more than a few times last year too.
Other than that though, I felt he looked a bit better. He has a strong throw. Needs to work on his touch, pre snap reads... Just stuff you'd think a 1st round draft pick wouldn't... It sucks, but he is serviceable. Just not anything to write home about.
Just run the damn ball...
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Looked better than what? Have our standards been lowered so much by terrible play that we think today's QB play looked.........better?? Holy cow.
Better than he did last year. Better than he did in the third preseason game, better than throwing 9 different QB's into the game during the season. jesus not long ago we started Ken Dorsey and Brad or Bruce Grandkoski(whatever the hell his name is) all in the same season, so take your pick on what "better" you want.Looked better than what? Have our standards been lowered so much by terrible play that we think today's QB play looked.........better?? Holy cow.
Whether you like it or not, the Browns are stuck with him. What are you going to do now put Campbell in? Dude couldn't even lock down the job in Oakland and they started Pryor today. But sure throw him in and when he sucks it up call up tebow, McCoy and anybody else.
And ya standards are low when you suck in the first place. Ill tell you right now I felt like the Weeden pick was the worst knee jerk reaction pick this team could have ever made, and I hated it then and still hate it now, but I'd rather see Weeden then some parade of backups and has beens.
Just run the damn ball....
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Better than he did last year. Better than he did in the third preseason game, better than throwing 9 different QB's into the game during the season. jesus not long ago we started Ken Dorsey and Brad or Bruce Grandkoski(whatever the hell his name is) all in the same season, so take your pick on what "better" you want.Looked better than what? Have our standards been lowered so much by terrible play that we think today's QB play looked.........better?? Holy cow.
Whether you like it or not, the Browns are stuck with him. What are you going to do now put Campbell in? Dude couldn't even lock down the job in Oakland and they started Pryor today. But sure throw him in and when he sucks it up call up tebow, McCoy and anybody else.
And ya standards are low when you suck in the first place. Ill tell you right now I felt like the Weeden pick was the worst knee jerk reaction pick this team could have ever made, and I hated it then and still hate it now, but I'd rather see Weeden then some parade of backups and has beens.
Just run the damn ball....
Better than he did last year. Better than he did in the third preseason game, better than throwing 9 different QB's into the game during the season. jesus not long ago we started Ken Dorsey and Brad Grandkoski(whatever the hell his name is) all in the same season, so take your pick on what "better" you want.
Whether you like it or not, the Browns are stuck with him. What are you going to do now put Campbell in? Dude couldn't even lock down the job in Oakland and they started Pryor today. But sure throw him in and when he sucks it up call up tebow, McCoy and anybody else.
And ya standards are low when you suck in the first place. Ill tell you right now I felt like the Weeden pick was the worst knee jerk reaction pick this team could have ever made, and I hated it then and still hate it now, but I'd rather see Weeden then some parade of backups and has beens.
Just run the damn ball....
Into an 8 man front...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
The play calling was very questionable. Weeden threw 53 passes. That's the 2nd most in the league this week by ANY QB, all-the-while Richardson, our "horse" had a measly 13 carries. WTF was that?? I thought Norv said TRich would get 300 carries, at this pace he'll end up with barely 200...
Overall these 2 teams were evenly matched, the biggest difference was the WRs. Because of that, we should have just played out strength with TRich through the air and ground. He should have gotten 25 carries and caught 5-7 passes. I don't understand why they abandoned their play maker so early in the game and leave their QB hanging out to dry... oh well, maybe next week...
Go Browns!!
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our FO especially GMs in the past 3 decades have made some of the most questionable and worse picks that have kept us in the basement since i .......uh...........?????????
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Better than he did last year. Better than he did in the third preseason game, better than throwing 9 different QB's into the game during the season. jesus not long ago we started Ken Dorsey and Brad Grandkoski(whatever the hell his name is) all in the same season, so take your pick on what "better" you want.
Whether you like it or not, the Browns are stuck with him. What are you going to do now put Campbell in? Dude couldn't even lock down the job in Oakland and they started Pryor today. But sure throw him in and when he sucks it up call up tebow, McCoy and anybody else.
And ya standards are low when you suck in the first place. Ill tell you right now I felt like the Weeden pick was the worst knee jerk reaction pick this team could have ever made, and I hated it then and still hate it now, but I'd rather see Weeden then some parade of backups and has beens.
Just run the damn ball....
Into an 8 man front...
nickers, on 08 Sept 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:
Into an 8 man front...
Yep. When you come out of half time with the lead after a first half when your QB and WRs cough the ball up, and when your #1 reciever is Greg Little for the day, and Cousins is protecting my right side, I'd run into an 11 man front with T. Rich. To the left side.
It takes more than 13 carries to get a run game going. 3.6 yards a carry is a hell of a lot better than a bunch of 3 and outs
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nickers, on 08 Sept 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:
Into an 8 man front...
Yep. When you come out of half time with the lead after a first half when your QB and WRs cough the ball up, and when your #1 reciever is Greg Little for the day, and Cousins is protecting my right side, I'd run into an 11 man front with T. Rich. To the left side.
It takes more than 13 carries to get a run game going. 3.6 yards a carry is a hell of a lot better than a bunch of 3 and outs
Yep. When you come out of half time with the lead after a first half when your QB and WRs cough the ball up, and when your #1 reciever is Greg Little for the day, and Cousins is protecting my right side, I'd run into an 11 man front with T. Rich. To the left side.
It takes more than 13 carries to get a run game going. 3.6 yards a carry is a hell of a lot better than a bunch of 3 and outs
Rich had some success early on. Then everything started up the middle. I don't remember anything outside at all. No sweeps.. no screens. I haven't lost hope in Richardson yet. I think he has a lot of talent and potential, he just needs to remember North and South, positive yards. No more dancing. Our line played like crap. If you don't have a O-Line, your screwed.
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Rich had some success early on. Then everything started up the middle. I don't remember anything outside at all. No sweeps.. no screens. Brownskidd
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Exactly. I kept calling for a pitchout to TR - mostly to the right, because it seems the Miami defense was setting in
to whomp on TR running to the left between Thomas and Mack. Interesting,
btw, in the talk about Peyton and Brady earlier...
They both had Welker, who gets open on most every ? play. Very, very elusive. Look at ?Cincy - they have
A. J. Green who does it all, including getting open. Pittsboob Squeelers - Ben R. isn't so much
with less oline, and no Hines Ward, eh?
And Baltiwhore? They lost too. Oops, that big catch everything, gets open wr left.
Brady struggled in that last game. Peyton has Welker now.
I will say this - seems like other teams hit wr's on the move, and the wr's take off without losing a step.
Weeds - he gets the ball to them, and all too often, they fall down trying to adjust their body postion to bring it in.
Weeden had a very inaccurate day. Too much pressure, and it gets to his ability to throw on time, throw with placement
for the wr to just nab it and take off.
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For the record, I was exactly right about Wallace.
I'm pulling a Ghoolie and tooting my own horn.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Ghoolie is Gomer's man bitch.
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For the record, I was exactly right about Wallace.
I'm pulling a Ghoolie and tooting my own horn.
For the record, I was exactly right about Wallace.
I'm pulling a Ghoolie and tooting my own horn.
Mike Wallace stinks...He only caught 1 pass yesterday,and has been making a stink over it all morning and his team won...I want no part of that diva schmuck!
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For the record, I was exactly right about Wallace.
I'm pulling a Ghoolie and tooting my own horn.
Mike Wallace stinks...He only caught 1 pass yesterday,and has been making a stink over it all morning and his team won...I want no part of that diva schmuck!
Mike Wallace stinks...He only caught 1 pass yesterday,and has been making a stink over it all morning and his team won...I want no part of that diva schmuck!
I said last week he'd only have one catch for very little yards.
As a #1 receiver, Wallace has had very little production against the Browns. Last year he had 1 catch for 9 yards. For the whole season.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Mike Wallace stinks...He only caught 1 pass yesterday,and has been making a stink over it all morning and his team won...I want no part of that diva schmuck!
I said last week he'd only have one catch for very little yards.
As a #1 receiver, Wallace has had very little production against the Browns. Last year he had 1 catch for 9 yards. For the whole season.
I said last week he'd only have one catch for very little yards.
As a #1 receiver, Wallace has had very little production against the Browns. Last year he had 1 catch for 9 yards. For the whole season.
Good call...Theres a reason the Steelers didnt keep him around...Im actually afraid Gordon with all of his physical potential will blow it..But even if he had played...I doubt the outcome would be affected.
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Mike Wallace stinks...He only caught 1 pass yesterday,and has been making a stink over it all morning and his team won...I want no part of that diva schmuck!
I said last week he'd only have one catch for very little yards.
As a #1 receiver, Wallace has had very little production against the Browns. Last year he had 1 catch for 9 yards. For the whole season.
I said last week he'd only have one catch for very little yards.
As a #1 receiver, Wallace has had very little production against the Browns. Last year he had 1 catch for 9 yards. For the whole season.
Not easy going against Joe Haden man-to-man. He shuts down pretty much everybody. The problem is, it makes the opposing offense look at just one side of the field, which makes reads easier for opposing QBs. We NEED Skrine/Owens/our Safeties/ and LBs to step up in pass coverage.
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I said last week he'd only have one catch for very little yards.
As a #1 receiver, Wallace has had very little production against the Browns. Last year he had 1 catch for 9 yards. For the whole season.
Not easy going against Joe Haden man-to-man. He shuts down pretty much everybody. The problem is, it makes the opposing offense look at just one side of the field, which makes reads easier for opposing QBs. We NEED Skrine/Owens/our Safeties/ and LBs to step up in pass coverage.
Not easy going against Joe Haden man-to-man. He shuts down pretty much everybody. The problem is, it makes the opposing offense look at just one side of the field, which makes reads easier for opposing QBs. We NEED Skrine/Owens/our Safeties/ and LBs to step up in pass coverage.
So...drop Haden and the secondary improves?
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Wallace is a sniveling little bitch
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9652386/report-mike-wallace-miami-dolphins-not-happy-usage-win
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My thoughts:
- Cousins needs to be taken out back and shot
- Gilkey needs to start
- Benjamin needs to be returning kicks, if he gets hurt, too bad
- Benjamin is worthless at receiver because everyone can just push him down and disrupt his route
- Little needs to be demoted to special teams coverage
- Bess needs to move to WR2
- Gordon, come back
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Rich had some success early on. Then everything started up the middle. I don't remember anything outside at all. No sweeps.. no screens. Brownskidd
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Exactly. I kept calling for a pitchout to TR - mostly to the right, because it seems the Miami defense was setting in
to whomp on TR running to the left between Thomas and Mack. Interesting,
btw, in the talk about Peyton and Brady earlier...
They both had Welker, who gets open on most every ? play. Very, very elusive. Look at ?Cincy - they have
A. J. Green who does it all, including getting open. Pittsboob Squeelers - Ben R. isn't so much
with less oline, and no Hines Ward, eh?
And Baltiwhore? They lost too. Oops, that big catch everything, gets open wr left.
Brady struggled in that last game. Peyton has Welker now.
I will say this - seems like other teams hit wr's on the move, and the wr's take off without losing a step.
Weeds - he gets the ball to them, and all too often, they fall down trying to adjust their body postion to bring it in.
Weeden had a very inaccurate day. Too much pressure, and it gets to his ability to throw on time, throw with placement
for the wr to just nab it and take off.
Rich had some success early on. Then everything started up the middle. I don't remember anything outside at all. No sweeps.. no screens. Brownskidd
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Exactly. I kept calling for a pitchout to TR - mostly to the right, because it seems the Miami defense was setting in
to whomp on TR running to the left between Thomas and Mack. Interesting,
You both need to spend some time in the video room...
We opened with a sweep left for 9 yards... both JT and Greco pulled... It was pretty....
Series later we swept left (mirror image play)... it bombed because Cousins rounded his pull into the backfield and literally stood in front of the hole wondering who to block (instead of running into it and sealing the inside pursuit) and TR waited on Cousins instead of running his ass over. Pity cause it wasted a nice seal block by Barnidge and a driving kick out by Schwartz.
Q2 never got wider than off tackle... Far as I have gotten so far, but as I just posted in another thread, it's clear that TR is running to where the holes are supposed to be and is not seeing where they actually are.
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