Jonathan Paul Manziel
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McCarron was rattled after A&M took that early lead. Missed a few simple passes he should've easily made. He righted the ship but also had his running backs easily picking up 10 yards a pop, an oline that gave him all the time in the world, not to mention some huge running lanes, and he was going against an A&M defense that can hardly be considered a defense. Throw in the fact he's playing with the most talented team in college and I came away from the game wholy unimpressed. He's more likely to be in the mold of a Leinart or Sanchez then a productive NFL QB.
I'm still on the fence with Manziel but his "attitude" is the least of my concerns. An athlete talking shit on the field is only a problem if they don't back it up, something he's done quite well. Imagine people are offering you thousands of dollars to sign your name on a few pictures when your 21. There is no way in hell you're passing that up. You show me someone that wouldn't take that offer and I'll show you a liar. Now was it dumb? Of course but I've seen 21 year olds do much dumber things for much, much less incentive. Hell Reggie Bush took a lot less heat for committing a much worse "infraction" and he's kept out of trouble during his career, well unless you count the whole Kardshian (sp) thing.
Remember he's still a young man. Young men do stupid shit. He appears to come from a good family who knows how to handle large amounts of money. He'll be fine. I'm more concerned about his size due to his playing style. He's gotta learn to slide more and avoid the unnecessary hits. I'm not sure if he can do that though. His fearlessness on the field is what separates him. If he can find a happy medium he'll be great but it's tough to do.
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Haven't watched any tape on Manziel besides the highlight reels on ESPN but there is no doubt that he plays on another level. I'm not an advocate to draft him but look at what he has gotten into trouble for;
- Signing autographs for money, that won't be an issue in the NFL.
- Getting into a fight and having a fake drivers license, nothing you can do about the fight and he turns 21 in December so no worries about that.
- Oversleeping at the Manning Academy, a definite sign of lack of maturity but can be solved by having a personal assistant to make sure he goes where he needs to.
- Tweeting about wanting to get out of College Station, everyone gets in hot water about tweeting something.
If I'm forgetting something please add it in.
The point is most of these things are very minor but they add up. I would want Manziel to stay in school one more year and go a year without getting in any sort of trouble. That is the only way I would believe that he has changed and/or matured to the point where he would be worth drafting.
If he does declare for the draft this year, which I am sure he will, and he happens to fall to the 3rd round then I would okay with taking a chance on him. No way he falls out of the 2nd round though. Jacksonville, Oakland, Minnesota, Arizona, Tampa Bay, maybe Tennessee and maybe New York Jets would take him before he fell to the 3rd round.
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jezuz fucking god.
QB talk already after 2 games? you guys are completely fucking nutz!!
this franchise moved up to draft weeden (which i didn't like) in THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND!!!
no not the second. not the third. THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND!!
you really believe that they are just going to throw away this kid as if he was a bust? get real. if norv turner is sooooo fucking great, then shouldn't he be able to turn weeden around? if you look at the stats he played better than 1/2 the QBs (??) out there. i know he didn't throw 4 fucking interceptions. hell his #'s were better than flacco's.
the playcalling is starting to look suspect.......again. we get the big gain from the ball to cameron and basically go into shurmur mode.
better keep an eye on the coaches as well if you want to start calling for someone's head.............after 2 games.
laughable.
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They were there specifically for manziel
You are likely right but at the same time you are purely guessing.
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Character issues aside, Manziel has a weaker arm than Colt McCoy. The guy can't throw a spiral beyond 15 yards. No thanks.
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You are likely right but at the same time you are purely guessing.
I'm sure they had some scouts watching other people but the had a segment on the Browns on SNF, and talked about how we were/are heavily scouting Manziel.
jezuz fucking god.
QB talk already after 2 games? you guys are completely fucking nutz!!
this franchise moved up to draft weeden (which i didn't like) in THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND!!!
no not the second. not the third. THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND!!
you really believe that they are just going to throw away this kid as if he was a bust? get real. if norv turner is sooooo fucking great, then shouldn't he be able to turn weeden around? if you look at the stats he played better than 1/2 the QBs (??) out there. i know he didn't throw 4 fucking interceptions. hell his #'s were better than flacco's.
the playcalling is starting to look suspect.......again. we get the big gain from the ball to cameron and basically go into shurmur mode.
better keep an eye on the coaches as well if you want to start calling for someone's head.............after 2 games.
laughable.
I'm not calling go anyone's head, except maybe yours. I'm just stating facts that I think other members on this board would find interesting. You can stop trying to be the new Ghoolie bro, no one liked him either
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jezuz fucking god.
QB talk already after 2 games? you guys are completely fucking nutz!!
this franchise moved up to draft weeden (which i didn't like) in THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND!!!
no not the second. not the third. THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND!!
you really believe that they are just going to throw away this kid as if he was a bust? get real. if norv turner is sooooo fucking great, then shouldn't he be able to turn weeden around? if you look at the stats he played better than 1/2 the QBs (??) out there. i know he didn't throw 4 fucking interceptions. hell his #'s were better than flacco's.
the playcalling is starting to look suspect.......again. we get the big gain from the ball to cameron and basically go into shurmur mode.
better keep an eye on the coaches as well if you want to start calling for someone's head.............after 2 games.
laughable.
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yeah so they used another pick from that trade to move up, correct?
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They didn't move up, the 22nd was the pick that Atlanta would have had.
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McCarron... hmm. He reminds me a bit of Andy Dalton. But then again, Dalton (like Brees) seems to be getting stronger-armed each year. He was a bit noodly coming out. I honestly don't think either is an elite talent but those aren't falling off trees.
I think Bridgewater and Boyd are elite. Manziel is certainly fun as hell to watch. His punkdom doesn't seem to bother me much for some reason. I think Boyd has quite a bit more arm, certainly a quicker release, and better wheels.
Right now, today, I'd put the chances of the Browns drafting a QB in the top 10 at about 99.999875.
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so we got it in a trade.
symantics.
It was a trade from the year before, it's not like they had any idea that they would be drafting BW at that position, or indeed what position that pick would be.
McCarron... hmm. He reminds me a bit of Andy Dalton. But then again, Dalton (like Brees) seems to be getting stronger-armed each year. He was a bit noodly coming out. I honestly don't think either is an elite talent but those aren't falling off trees.
I think Bridgewater and Boyd are elite. Manziel is certainly fun as hell to watch. His punkdom doesn't seem to bother me much for some reason. I think Boyd has quite a bit more arm, certainly a quicker release, and better wheels.
Right now, today, I'd put the chances of the Browns drafting a QB in the top 10 at about 99.999875.
You'd find it hard to disagree with this if Weeden continues. There's no sure fire, Megatron-style WR coming out, as far as I know, which would be hard to pass up. The only player that's ready to dominate is Clowney, who really isn't a position of need - if we're lucky, he falls to us at whatever position we're drafting and some team gives up a shit ton of picks for him.
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Teddy Twatwater is the real deal. Great fundamentals, intelligent and as close to a choir boy as a young man can get
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Teddy Twatwater is the real deal. Great fundamentals, intelligent and as close to a choir boy as a young man can get
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Teddy Twatwater is the real deal. Great fundamentals, intelligent and as close to a choir boy as a young man can get
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McCarron... hmm. He reminds me a bit of Andy Dalton. But then again, Dalton (like Brees) seems to be getting stronger-armed each year. He was a bit noodly coming out. I honestly don't think either is an elite talent but those aren't falling off trees.
I think Bridgewater and Boyd are elite. Manziel is certainly fun as hell to watch. His punkdom doesn't seem to bother me much for some reason. I think Boyd has quite a bit more arm, certainly a quicker release, and better wheels.
Right now, today, I'd put the chances of the Browns drafting a QB in the top 10 at about 99.999875.
McCarron... hmm. He reminds me a bit of Andy Dalton. But then again, Dalton (like Brees) seems to be getting stronger-armed each year. He was a bit noodly coming out. I honestly don't think either is an elite talent but those aren't falling off trees.
I think Bridgewater and Boyd are elite. Manziel is certainly fun as hell to watch. His punkdom doesn't seem to bother me much for some reason. I think Boyd has quite a bit more arm, certainly a quicker release, and better wheels.
Right now, today, I'd put the chances of the Browns drafting a QB in the top 10 at about 99.999875.
Yeah, if we have the opportunity to pick up a good QB next year we're going to do.
I'm not saying start him right away either (in case Weeden/whoever improves).
Train/Coach them up while we get the rest of the O in shape, then put them in (don't want them Sacked to death).
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What are the Pros and Cons on the Browns drafting Johnny Manziel? Here are perhaps a few:
1. Pro: Publicity. No player, I believe, will provoke more discussion/debate/controversy than Johnny Football. Whichever team drafts him will have ESPN and the national media sniffing their hind quarters the whole year, the way they did with RGIII, fair to say?
1. Con: This sucker is short. He is listed at spots at 6ft. 1 in. Fairly short in todays world....(issue, can he overcome that ala Brees/Vick/Russell)
2. Pro: He is brash and a risk taker which could mean good positive plays for the Browns.
2. Con: He is brash and a risk taker which could mean bad negative plays for the Browns.
3. Pro: Leadership. He seems to be the kind of kid that can take a team by the horns and will it to win on occasion. He played well against some of his toughest competition (like Alabama etc.)
3. Con. Selfishness? The opposite side of the coin of leadership is selfishness. Will he try to do too much himself, and not rely on the talent around him. He will learn that the NFL is not a one man sport.
4. Pro: Mobility. He has Fran Tarkenton like scrambling ability that could allow him to make positive plays out of potential negative plays.
4. Con: Durability. But, with his penchant for scrambling, will he turn into a Michael Vick type that is always getting busted up. He is a smaller player going in amongst the Redwoods. Can he survive? Unknown.
Feel free to add your own Pros and Cons about him.
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4. Con: Durability. But, with his penchant for scrambling, will he turn into a Michael Vick type that is always getting busted up. He is a smaller player going in amongst the Redwoods. Can he survive? Unknown.
I think he will be a good pro, but the combination of small size and running around really is a big, big, injury concern.
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