TRICH traded to colts
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There were team going to jump us to get Richardson, that's why we jumped to get him...
Heckert was a Genius. Lombari is retarted.
Prove there was a team that was going to jump ahead of us to get Richardson? We got fleeced on that trade.
Heckert drafted a 29 year old QB who so far as looked pretty fucking shitty, how is that genius label look now?
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Had the Browns gotten a "bucketful of picks", I'd be celebrating along with you. They did not. They got one mid- to late-first round pick.
And now you guys are excited because they might get a QB with it? They had a chance to do that two years ago, and they took Weeden. I realize these aren't the same FO guys, but my point is that just having first round picks does not guarantee quality picks.
What if TR's replacement comes in here and lights it up?
Last year, outside of a couple of runs, I honestly thought Hardesty had a better YPC than Trent (Stats prove it too).
For all we know, with a change in QB, RB, returning OL, we may put up an unexpected winning streak.
We aren't totally devoid of talent, there have been multiple key position injuries - our D (outside a CB) is looking mighty impressive already.
What if TR's replacement comes in here and lights it up?
Last year, outside of a couple of runs, I honestly thought Hardesty had a better YPC than Trent (Stats prove it too).
For all we know, with a change in QB, RB, returning OL, we may put up an unexpected winning streak.
We aren't totally devoid of talent, there have been multiple key position injuries - our D (outside a CB) is looking mighty impressive already.
If TR's replacement comes in and lights it up, I would love that. That would be great. That doesn't change the fact that this was a bad trade, though. They could have gotten more for Richardson. That's the whole point. We don't have access to what they potentially could have gotten, obviously, but the experts seem to believe this trade was ridiculously lopsided and Bob Irsay himself was celebrating about how little they gave to get Richardson. They could have gotten more. It was a bad trade.
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You don't trade your blue chippers.
Joe Thomas
Joe Haden
Trent Richardson
Phil Taylor
Rubin
Sheard
Jackson
Ward
Mack
Gordon
Cameron?
Kruger
But trading Richardson for what we got for him in the thick of our offensive woes... priceless and every bit the reason why we are the way we are.
You don't trade your blue chippers.
Joe Thomas
Joe Haden
Trent Richardson
Phil Taylor
Rubin
Sheard
Jackson
Ward
Mack
Gordon
Cameron?
Kruger
But trading Richardson for what we got for him in the thick of our offensive woes... priceless and every bit the reason why we are the way we are.
3 yards per carry is not a blue chip running back. Those are free agent off the street numbers getting paid like the number 3 overall pick in the draft.
You have an amazing ability to make likeable players completely unlikable. It's quite a talent.
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If I may express my opinion as a Colts fan, I think it's a good trade for both teams. Let's face it, the Browns probably weren't going anywhere anyway, and this gives them more ammo in next years draft to get a true franchise QB. If the browns eek out a few wins and finish with the 3rd or 4th pick in the first round, this second 1st round pick can be thrown in to move up. If I were a browns fan, I wouldn't be too upset over this.
Actually, there are a bunch of colts fans who do not like this trade. I am not one of them. I think it will work out for both teams.
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Bunch of young guys around here, Walker had 6 years in two leagues before he was traded.
Bunch of young guys around here, Walker had 6 years in two leagues before he was traded.
Yup. And the Cowboys got a BUNDLE for him.
Today, the Colts basically said, "So,... a CHANCE to pick an unproven college kid who may not work out for the guy who actually ranked 9th in the league in rushing last year behind a weak O-line? We'll take it!"
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Bunch of young guys around here, Walker had 6 years in two leagues before he was traded.
Yup. And the Cowboys got a BUNDLE for him.
Today, the Colts basically said, "So,... a CHANCE to pick an unproven college kid who may not work out for the guy who actually ranked 9th in the league in rushing last year behind a weak O-line? We'll take it!"
Yup. And the Cowboys got a BUNDLE for him.
Today, the Colts basically said, "So,... a CHANCE to pick an unproven college kid who may not work out for the guy who actually ranked 9th in the league in rushing last year behind a weak O-line? We'll take it!"
It sounds so bad when you put it like that.
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Even if we did want to tank to get a good QB next year. A Rookie Qb's best friend is a great running game and running back. Trent would have been a 3 year savy vet by then and would have done wonders for our next Qb's learning curve. But that's gone now.
Look at the RAvens. Would Flacco be as good without a Ray Rice, it's a team gentleman. I honestly believe that Chud will lose this team now. It's over.
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Clevelandsportslol said:
I actually googled (you can do this too) cleveland sports championships. and the first link was Drought (sport). 1964. I think we can agree that doesn't really count.
We actually can't. We pretty much deal in facts on this board. Now go away to your dirty, stupid city.
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If I may express my opinion as a Colts fan, I think it's a good trade for both teams. Let's face it, the Browns probably weren't going anywhere anyway, and this gives them more ammo in next years draft to get a true franchise QB. If the browns eek out a few wins and finish with the 3rd or 4th pick in the first round, this second 1st round pick can be thrown in to move up. If I were a browns fan, I wouldn't be too upset over this.
Actually, there are a bunch of colts fans who do not like this trade. I am not one of them. I think it will work out for both teams.
If I may express my opinion as a Colts fan, I think it's a good trade for both teams. Let's face it, the Browns probably weren't going anywhere anyway, and this gives them more ammo in next years draft to get a true franchise QB. If the browns eek out a few wins and finish with the 3rd or 4th pick in the first round, this second 1st round pick can be thrown in to move up. If I were a browns fan, I wouldn't be too upset over this.
Actually, there are a bunch of colts fans who do not like this trade. I am not one of them. I think it will work out for both teams.
It's weird that the Browns never had the chance before to use two first round picks to move up in the first round and get a franchise QB... oh wait... they did and they botched it. Again, I'm aware that this was done by a different group, but that doesn't mean this group will have better luck. Just like every year, there will be multiple teams gunning for stud rookie QBs. Just having two first round picks does not guarantee we will get one.
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Different Regime.
The current FO can only correct the mistakes of past Regimes, they can't nullify them.
Simple fact is we paid too much for TR (good as he is), I seriously doubt anyone else would have paid what we did for him.
Ya we over paid for him, but why is that used as an excuse to get rid of him? The team is literally saying, here is a player that is worth a mid to late-ish round pick... and we are just going to trade him before week 3. All this move says is that they have given up on the season with 14 games left to play, that they don't give two shits about the fans. Make the damn excuse that you building towards your team goal, but try selling me that shit in the offseason, not two weeks into the regular season. This lay down and die bullshit. Whats even worse is they won't admit it. "Hey season ticket holders, thank for giving us all that money, hopefully these wiener dog races really pan out!"
Ya we over paid for him, but why is that used as an excuse to get rid of him? The team is literally saying, here is a player that is worth a mid to late-ish round pick... and we are just going to trade him before week 3. All this move says is that they have given up on the season with 14 games left to play, that they don't give two shits about the fans. Make the damn excuse that you building towards your team goal, but try selling me that shit in the offseason, not two weeks into the regular season. This lay down and die bullshit. Whats even worse is they won't admit it. "Hey season ticket holders, thank for giving us all that money, hopefully these wiener dog races really pan out!"
For arguments sake, let's just TR is "good", not great/exceptional.
There are a lot of RB's that can fill this role.
Maybe it's our OL (quite possible).
This isn't something that's likely to lend itself to a quick fix, especially since it's in at least it's second+ year as unit.
Could be our Blocking scheme.
Maybe Trent just doesn't work (burst/speed/recognition/whatever) with - this probably isn't going to change.
Square Peg, Round Hole syndrome.
TR is/may be exceptional, we're just not able to use him to his best (all other pieces considered) in our current scheme.
Do we change everything to focus on supporting our RB (who may be injury prone) at the expense of other positions?
It'll take time, a change of personnel, and the expense of our Franchise QB search.
Seriously, is it worth it?
He may be getting close to retirement by then (from one thing or another).
Simple answer is, I just don't think we can efficiently/effectively use him with what we have now.
I think we're actually doing Trent a favor by at least giving him an opportunity to show what he has - I don't think he'd have the time here to really accomplish that.
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Even if we did want to tank to get a good QB next year. A Rookie Qb's best friend is a great running game and running back. Trent would have been a 3 year savy vet by then and would have done wonders for our next Qb's learning curve. But that's gone now.
Look at the RAvens. Would Flacco be as good without a Ray Rice, it's a team gentleman. I honestly believe that Chud will lose this team now. It's over.
Even if we did want to tank to get a good QB next year. A Rookie Qb's best friend is a great running game and running back. Trent would have been a 3 year savy vet by then and would have done wonders for our next Qb's learning curve. But that's gone now.
Look at the RAvens. Would Flacco be as good without a Ray Rice, it's a team gentleman. I honestly believe that Chud will lose this team now. It's over.
Then we'll see you next season...
Bye...
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I don't know, it's sounding to me like there are four or five really good QB's in the upcoming Draft.
I seriously doubt the first five picks in the Draft are going to be #1 - QB, #2 - QB, #3 - QB, #4 - QB, #5 - QB.
I think there's going to be some wiggle room between the QB's . . . and for that matter, who even says #1 is going to be a QB ?
But are any of them any good?
But are any of them any good?
Talk is that they are, but who can really guarantee anything in the Draft?
I at least think the odds are pretty good from what I'm hearing so far - the Season is early in both Pro an College, so it's really just a wait and see how things shake out at this point.
We didn't get a guarantee with TR either, just have to wait and see.
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Clevelandsportslol said:
I don't know if you you know this or not..but, you're..from...cleveland. A far cry from the Hamptons. We might be bankrupt (well the city, not us suburbanites) but you're all bankrupt at heart with your fanhood. You have absolutely nothing..at all. 0...zilch. nothing to look forward to. I wish there was a chant clever enough we could give you guys. But were too busy winning to think of one.
Go fix your car on the front lawn.
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Unbiased view from a Dolphins fan:
You guys did well today. A couple points:
1) I'm a fan of Trent Richardson. I know about his playing with broken ribs last year, how tough he is, etc. In today's league, he is not the centerpiece that you build around.
2) Did you get fair market value? Probably not. Here's the thing - how much more were you going to get? Who, of the Jacksonvilles, Jets, Raiders, etc...were you going to trade him to? You got a first round pick for him.
3) Newsflash: The Colts are NOT winning he Super Bowl this year. You're going to end up with a draft pick somewhere in the teens. The Colts are flawed. A THOROUGHLY imperfect (but growing) Dolphins team just showed the entire planet how to beat Andrew Luck. In his house.
4) The 2014 draft is going to be absolutely ripe with talent in the first round. Your team should have three solid picks. You've got a monster left tackle, a great CB, and a beast at TE. That's good stuff to build upon. In today's league, RB are a dime a dozen. It's not necessarily about a first rounder. It's about two or three middle-rounders. See: Morris, Alfred. See: Foster, Arian.
5)...and my final point...there's something to be said for a team willing to blatantly suck in the attempt to go after good draft picks. In an unrelated aside...I'm a 76ers fan. For YEARS, I watched that team fight the good fight, refusing to lay down like other teams did in an attempt to get better lottery odds. They were doing the right thing, right? Right? Wrong. Guess what their new management team is doing this year? That's right...blatantly tanking to go after Andrew Wiggins. And God bless them for it.
Your new management team sees the writing on the wall. Trent Richardson was a luxury that will quite simply NOT lead the Browns to a championship. He just won't. They cashed him in for a chip to be played in the 2014 draft.
Honestly, if I were a Browns fan, I'd be partying every Sunday as the Browns violently tank their season in an attempt to secure Bridgewater.
Because holy crap...if the Browns get Bridgewater and a monster pass rusher and wideout in the first round...THEN you have a reason to get excited. Fast.
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If I may express my opinion as a Colts fan, I think it's a good trade for both teams. Let's face it, the Browns probably weren't going anywhere anyway, and this gives them more ammo in next years draft to get a true franchise QB. If the browns eek out a few wins and finish with the 3rd or 4th pick in the first round, this second 1st round pick can be thrown in to move up. If I were a browns fan, I wouldn't be too upset over this.
Actually, there are a bunch of colts fans who do not like this trade. I am not one of them. I think it will work out for both teams.
If I may express my opinion as a Colts fan, I think it's a good trade for both teams. Let's face it, the Browns probably weren't going anywhere anyway, and this gives them more ammo in next years draft to get a true franchise QB. If the browns eek out a few wins and finish with the 3rd or 4th pick in the first round, this second 1st round pick can be thrown in to move up. If I were a browns fan, I wouldn't be too upset over this.
Actually, there are a bunch of colts fans who do not like this trade. I am not one of them. I think it will work out for both teams.
As a Fins fan who watched every play of the Fins/Browns and Fins/Colts games...I suspect you will be unhappy with this.
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Unbiased view from a Dolphins fan:
You guys did well today. A couple points:
1) I'm a fan of Trent Richardson. I know about his playing with broken ribs last year, how tough he is, etc. In today's league, he is not the centerpiece that you build around.
2) Did you get fair market value? Probably not. Here's the thing - how much more were you going to get? Who, of the Jacksonvilles, Jets, Raiders, etc...were you going to trade him to? You got a first round pick for him.
3) Newsflash: The Colts are NOT winning he Super Bowl this year. You're going to end up with a draft pick somewhere in the teens. The Colts are flawed. A THOROUGHLY imperfect (but growing) Dolphins team just showed the entire planet how to beat Andrew Luck. In his house.
4) The 2014 draft is going to be absolutely ripe with talent in the first round. Your team should have three solid picks. You've got a monster left tackle, a great CB, and a beast at TE. That's good stuff to build upon. In today's league, RB are a dime a dozen. It's not necessarily about a first rounder. It's about two or three middle-rounders. See: Morris, Alfred. See: Foster, Arian.
5)...and my final point...there's something to be said for a team willing to blatantly suck in the attempt to go after good draft picks. In an unrelated aside...I'm a 76ers fan. For YEARS, I watched that team fight the good fight, refusing to lay down like other teams did in an attempt to get better lottery odds. They were doing the right thing, right? Right? Wrong. Guess what their new management team is doing this year? That's right...blatantly tanking to go after Andrew Wiggins. And God bless them for it.
Your new management team sees the writing on the wall. Trent Richardson was a luxury that will quite simply NOT lead the Browns to a championship. He just won't. They cashed him in for a chip to be played in the 2014 draft.
Honestly, if I were a Browns fan, I'd be partying every Sunday as the Browns violently tank their season in an attempt to secure Bridgewater.
Because holy crap...if the Browns get Bridgewater and a monster pass rusher and wideout in the first round...THEN you have a reason to get excited. Fast.
Unbiased view from a Dolphins fan:
You guys did well today. A couple points:
1) I'm a fan of Trent Richardson. I know about his playing with broken ribs last year, how tough he is, etc. In today's league, he is not the centerpiece that you build around.
2) Did you get fair market value? Probably not. Here's the thing - how much more were you going to get? Who, of the Jacksonvilles, Jets, Raiders, etc...were you going to trade him to? You got a first round pick for him.
3) Newsflash: The Colts are NOT winning he Super Bowl this year. You're going to end up with a draft pick somewhere in the teens. The Colts are flawed. A THOROUGHLY imperfect (but growing) Dolphins team just showed the entire planet how to beat Andrew Luck. In his house.
4) The 2014 draft is going to be absolutely ripe with talent in the first round. Your team should have three solid picks. You've got a monster left tackle, a great CB, and a beast at TE. That's good stuff to build upon. In today's league, RB are a dime a dozen. It's not necessarily about a first rounder. It's about two or three middle-rounders. See: Morris, Alfred. See: Foster, Arian.
5)...and my final point...there's something to be said for a team willing to blatantly suck in the attempt to go after good draft picks. In an unrelated aside...I'm a 76ers fan. For YEARS, I watched that team fight the good fight, refusing to lay down like other teams did in an attempt to get better lottery odds. They were doing the right thing, right? Right? Wrong. Guess what their new management team is doing this year? That's right...blatantly tanking to go after Andrew Wiggins. And God bless them for it.
Your new management team sees the writing on the wall. Trent Richardson was a luxury that will quite simply NOT lead the Browns to a championship. He just won't. They cashed him in for a chip to be played in the 2014 draft.
Honestly, if I were a Browns fan, I'd be partying every Sunday as the Browns violently tank their season in an attempt to secure Bridgewater.
Because holy crap...if the Browns get Bridgewater and a monster pass rusher and wideout in the first round...THEN you have a reason to get excited. Fast.
Right. Which is all very good in theory, until... you recall that we just did it two years ago. "If we get Luck or RG III and a great WR, we could really be headed somewhere! We have two first round picks!" We got Richardson and Weeden. Weeden was never worth that pick and now a lot of people here believe we're better off having a later 1st round pick than having Richardson. Like I said, just having the picks means very little. It's only getting something with them that means something.
And if Morris and Foster are your proof that there's no need to draft RBs early, then I could point to a few QBs who prove the same point. And if that's true, what is it exactly that's so exciting to us in the first round?
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Unbiased view from a Dolphins fan:
You guys did well today. A couple points:
1) I'm a fan of Trent Richardson. I know about his playing with broken ribs last year, how tough he is, etc. In today's league, he is not the centerpiece that you build around.
2) Did you get fair market value? Probably not. Here's the thing - how much more were you going to get? Who, of the Jacksonvilles, Jets, Raiders, etc...were you going to trade him to? You got a first round pick for him.
3) Newsflash: The Colts are NOT winning he Super Bowl this year. You're going to end up with a draft pick somewhere in the teens. The Colts are flawed. A THOROUGHLY imperfect (but growing) Dolphins team just showed the entire planet how to beat Andrew Luck. In his house.
4) The 2014 draft is going to be absolutely ripe with talent in the first round. Your team should have three solid picks. You've got a monster left tackle, a great CB, and a beast at TE. That's good stuff to build upon. In today's league, RB are a dime a dozen. It's not necessarily about a first rounder. It's about two or three middle-rounders. See: Morris, Alfred. See: Foster, Arian.
5)...and my final point...there's something to be said for a team willing to blatantly suck in the attempt to go after good draft picks. In an unrelated aside...I'm a 76ers fan. For YEARS, I watched that team fight the good fight, refusing to lay down like other teams did in an attempt to get better lottery odds. They were doing the right thing, right? Right? Wrong. Guess what their new management team is doing this year? That's right...blatantly tanking to go after Andrew Wiggins. And God bless them for it.
Your new management team sees the writing on the wall. Trent Richardson was a luxury that will quite simply NOT lead the Browns to a championship. He just won't. They cashed him in for a chip to be played in the 2014 draft.
Honestly, if I were a Browns fan, I'd be partying every Sunday as the Browns violently tank their season in an attempt to secure Bridgewater.
Because holy crap...if the Browns get Bridgewater and a monster pass rusher and wideout in the first round...THEN you have a reason to get excited. Fast.
Unbiased view from a Dolphins fan:
You guys did well today. A couple points:
1) I'm a fan of Trent Richardson. I know about his playing with broken ribs last year, how tough he is, etc. In today's league, he is not the centerpiece that you build around.
2) Did you get fair market value? Probably not. Here's the thing - how much more were you going to get? Who, of the Jacksonvilles, Jets, Raiders, etc...were you going to trade him to? You got a first round pick for him.
3) Newsflash: The Colts are NOT winning he Super Bowl this year. You're going to end up with a draft pick somewhere in the teens. The Colts are flawed. A THOROUGHLY imperfect (but growing) Dolphins team just showed the entire planet how to beat Andrew Luck. In his house.
4) The 2014 draft is going to be absolutely ripe with talent in the first round. Your team should have three solid picks. You've got a monster left tackle, a great CB, and a beast at TE. That's good stuff to build upon. In today's league, RB are a dime a dozen. It's not necessarily about a first rounder. It's about two or three middle-rounders. See: Morris, Alfred. See: Foster, Arian.
5)...and my final point...there's something to be said for a team willing to blatantly suck in the attempt to go after good draft picks. In an unrelated aside...I'm a 76ers fan. For YEARS, I watched that team fight the good fight, refusing to lay down like other teams did in an attempt to get better lottery odds. They were doing the right thing, right? Right? Wrong. Guess what their new management team is doing this year? That's right...blatantly tanking to go after Andrew Wiggins. And God bless them for it.
Your new management team sees the writing on the wall. Trent Richardson was a luxury that will quite simply NOT lead the Browns to a championship. He just won't. They cashed him in for a chip to be played in the 2014 draft.
Honestly, if I were a Browns fan, I'd be partying every Sunday as the Browns violently tank their season in an attempt to secure Bridgewater.
Because holy crap...if the Browns get Bridgewater and a monster pass rusher and wideout in the first round...THEN you have a reason to get excited. Fast.
Good post. It is sad that so many Browns "fans" post the ranting Fbomb dribble here and it takes other fans to post something like this.
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Gordon has the potential to be elite.
He makes catching look like childs play.
If he gets his head straight and puts in the effort he will be a phenomenal WR.
Bess is also very good, but he doesn't have the size/speed to be an elite WR.
The pieces are starting to come together, it just takes time.
Lol, so Gordon, who ranked 38th among receivers last year, has the potential to be an elite WR. Richardson, who ranked 9th among RBs last year, was average at best and we're better off to be rid of him. Is that right? I'm not saying that Gordon is bad or that he won't eventually be good, but it seems like we're taking radically different approaches to how we're viewing Gordon and Richardson. How is it that Richardson is a bust and Gordon has elite potential?
And I agree that it does take time for the pieces to come together. That's why I think it was a little premature to dump Richardson for one pick.
Lol, so Gordon, who ranked 38th among receivers last year, has the potential to be an elite WR. Richardson, who ranked 9th among RBs last year, was average at best and we're better off to be rid of him. Is that right? I'm not saying that Gordon is bad or that he won't eventually be good, but it seems like we're taking radically different approaches to how we're viewing Gordon and Richardson. How is it that Richardson is a bust and Gordon has elite potential?
And I agree that it does take time for the pieces to come together. That's why I think it was a little premature to dump Richardson for one pick.
Have you really watched Gordon?
The kid is amazing for his experience level.
Richardson, we ran too death last year (one decent thing Shurmur did), and he did quite well receiving.
If you actually look at his YPC it's very sub par, especially for an "elite" RB.
Hardesty's YPC was higher than Trents, and his explosion through the line was impressive.
For Trents style/skillset/whatever, we just don't know how best to use him, so I think both he and us are better off under the current circumstances.
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