TRICH traded to colts

[FairHooker11]

@waiting-for-next-year said:

again....no he didn't dickwad he was fired...He never coach in Baltimore

come back when you know what the hell your talking about

the moment operations stopped for the Browns in Cleveland, was MOMENT they became Baltimore's team....

In Belichick's last season in Cleveland the Browns finished 5–11, despite starting 3-1. In November of that year in the middle of the ongoing football season, Browns owner Art Modell had announced he would move his franchise to Baltimore after the season. After first being given assurances that he would coach the transplanted Baltimore Ravens, Belichick instead was fired on February 15, 1996—one week after the shift was officially announced.[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick

yea good coach -going 3-1 til Modell dropped that bomb on us fans.... playoffs the year before beating Parcells / Pats at the muni...

I dont live in Cleveland either, but you dont have your facts straight pal

fans didnt chase Belichick out of town, rather we were pissed he released Kosar -

asshat

[USFBrown]

@hx214 said:

It would have been nice if they would have said, "Well, we see a large upside in Bobby Rainey and we think he can fill that need nicely" instead of laughing at the question as to "Who are you going to have play running back?" and saying they have Willis coming in from the geriatric ward.

Or how about leap frogging the 2nd string QB that they brought in to compete for the QB job and giving it to Brian Hoyer.... Basically saying they couldn't bring in a 2nd string that is worth playing.

Whether anybody wants to say it in the front office or not they are tanking the season

I mean it is what it is, and there isn't a damn thing any of us are going to do about it, and maybe 3 years from now it will pay off, but the track record says otherwise and when the team is 2 games into the season and their is no reason to watch the rest of the year as they are starting guys that came in of the streets its deflating for fans that look forward to the football season all year long.

Any RB can get 3 yards a carry. It was a great move by the new regime that saw how terrible the last regimes draft was. It didn't put us into any deeper a hole than we are now. In fact it actaully made things better for the future. The present stays the same, Richardson SUCKED!

[The Cysko Kid]

@spectralcow said:

Carson Palmer had a passer rating of 80.5 in 2011 and got traded to the Raiders for a 1st and 2nd round pick. That second round pick was conditional, and would have been another 1st round pick if the Raiders had made the playoffs in 2012.

Dude. Get it through your head. A quarterback with limited success is>>>>>>>>>more valuable than a running back who can get three yards. We don't need Trent Richardson. Hopefully he does well in Indy but if he doesnt I hope you're here to say you were wrong and way too personally hurt over the trade and you probably shouldn't have taken that cyanide pill.

[Kosar_For_President]

Read this. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/23721420/a-first-round-pick-for-trent-richardson-no-brainer-for-browns

One exec I respect deeply, who has watched Richardson closely during his brief NFL career, expressed his initial reaction to this deal: "The Colts panicked. A first-round pick? I don't believe it."

A scout who did plenty of work on Richardson was flabbergasted by the deal: "Weird trade by Indy," he sent via text. "A first for an adequate back with injury issues? They could get that player next year in the mid to late rounds. Get an adequate dude for a later pick. Everyone has depth at that position."

One GM asked who the Browns were going to go with at running back, and I explained they were bringing in free agent Willis McGahee. His response: "Why didn't the Colts do that first before giving up a 1?"

[Waiting for next year]

@fairhooker11 said:

the moment operations stopped for the Browns in Cleveland, was MOMENT they became Baltimore's team....

In Belichick's last season in Cleveland the Browns finished 5–11, despite starting 3-1. In November of that year in the middle of the ongoing football season, Browns owner Art Modell had announced he would move his franchise to Baltimore after the season. After first being given assurances that he would coach the transplanted Baltimore Ravens, Belichick instead was fired on February 15, 1996—one week after the shift was officially announced.[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick

yea good coach -going 3-1 til Modell dropped that bomb on us fans.... playoffs the year before beating Parcells / Pats at the muni...

I dont live in Cleveland either, but you dont have your facts straight pal

fans didnt chase Belichick out of town, rather we were pissed he released Kosar -

asshat

Guess you weren't at the games before "the Decision I" Because of Kosargate the fans TURNED on Belichick and he Knew he was done dickinhand seem everyone but you...the idiot who calls him Belichoke

[hx214]

@usfbrown said:

Any RB can get 3 yards a carry. It was a great move by the new regime that saw how terrible the last regimes draft was. It didn't put us into any deeper a hole than we are now. In fact it actaully made things better for the future. The present stays the same, Richardson SUCKED!

I fail to see how its going to make us better for the future, everything now hangs on draft picks.

If the Browns would have gotten a few young players in the deal along with the trade, then I could see it. Hell, if they take the draft pick they just got from the Colts and trade it for a proven QB that they like, I'd feel better.

They had a full offseason to make the team better and mold them to what they wanted. They drafted a CB that can't get on the field even with Buster Skrine and Adams ahead of him and a Safety they wavied, a back up QB they signed and won't even let play, etc..

All I see now is giving up a starting running back for a late first round pick, that they will probably package together with the other 1st rounder this year to move up from three to one and pick a QB that might work out. Then he won't have anybody to throw to or a line to block for either, so whats the point?

I understand they pulled a high draft pick out of a guy they couldn't use at the moment and I'd love to see the brighter side of this, but I just don't have faith in their drafting...

[ballpeen]

I forget....do we have two 1st rounders next year or do we now have 3? For some reason I thought we picked up one in a earlier trade.

I found the answer....2 next year.

[alwardc4]

Quick, go through the last 10 Super Bowl Champions and name me their "star" RB?

[FairHooker11]

@waiting-for-next-year said:

Guess you weren't at the games before "the Decision I" Because of Kosargate the fans TURNED on Belichick and he Knew he was done dickinhand seem everyone but you...the idiot who calls him Belichoke

so your point is? .....

Belichick is your hero , and you are butthurt from way back in 1993?

[Osiris]

I agree, this is a brilliant move. Would I trade a horrible season this year for sustained winning seasons starting two years from now? Absolutely, and that's what the FO is going for here. The most important thing for a successful football team is QB, OL, Pass Rush. They've nailed down pass rush with Mingo, Kreuger, and the rest of the front 7. They have all the OL components except for RG. Now they need QB. With 10 picks in a very talented upcoming draft class, they will be able to address QB, RG, WR, and CB all with third-round or earlier picks.

Most importantly, they are trying to keep the core talent pool of the team under 30. That means that by the time picks from last year and the 2014 draft start producing, we'll still have production from the components of the team that are productive today.

Let me tell you, if I could find a Joe Banner Browns Jersey, I'd buy it.

[Waiting for next year]

@fairhooker11 said:

the moment operations stopped for the Browns in Cleveland, was MOMENT they became Baltimore's team....

In Belichick's last season in Cleveland the Browns finished 5–11, despite starting 3-1. In November of that year in the middle of the ongoing football season, Browns owner Art Modell had announced he would move his franchise to Baltimore after the season. After first being given assurances that he would coach the transplanted Baltimore Ravens, Belichick instead was fired on February 15, 1996—one week after the shift was officially announced.[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick

yea good coach -going 3-1 til Modell dropped that bomb on us fans.... playoffs the year before beating Parcells / Pats at the muni...

I dont live in Cleveland either, but you dont have your facts straight pal

fans didnt chase Belichick out of town, rather we were pissed he released Kosar -

asshat

Yes Butterfly Fans AND THE MEDIA (you keep forgetting the 2nd part) Drove Bill out of Cleveland to never coach a game in Baltimore..The fans reaction to Berniegate turned the worm against Bill the great....remember you 1st said about 8hrs ago he coach in Baltimore Just like a pitcher who is traded to a team and doesn't join the rooster and then is traded he never pitched for that team

[thenew23]

@miktoxic said:

i keep pretending? did i miss something?

you know me, the guy that wanted a CB with the first pick the last 2 years? the guy that hated the TR and weeden pick and raged on it for weeks? yeah that was me.

i'll take a CB then the 2 best OL next year and jump up and down with joy.

i was the one who brought up jimmy johnson's famous quote "you need to find a RB back? just turn the corner."

i'm just pissed that we got less value for TR and all these little shits now are going to be jerking off to the thought of bridgewater or boyd in a brown's uniform next year and hope we go 0 and 16.

these guys are the same ones that want to change the uniforms and have salt water taffy and cotton candy machines on eveery corner.

you play the game to win.

No, the OL and 2nd CB are not the reasons we lost BOTH games. Against both teams, the biggest plays given up in the passing game were poor coverages by LBs and Ss, which happens occasionally against teams now. The OL looked better in week 2, but the WRs couldn't get open.

If we drafted an OLineman and a CB with our first 2 picks... we are sitting in the bottom AGAIN and AGAIN. Do I think we need to improve at G? yes, but we won't see such a weakness once Lauvao is back. Do I think we could get a better CB2? yes, but it is not costing us games.

We NEED WRs!!! Badly. AND, you can already tell this team is going in a new direction at QB. If we use our 2 1st rounders on a QB and WR, we can use our next 3 picks to grab a CB, another WR or TE, and maybe a OG or S. Then we have late draft to add a MLB and RB, and if we hit on at least the first 2 and get a starter out of the next 3, this team is ready to compete NEXT year.

As for this year, we did not get any worse b/c of this trade. Now we can use somebody else to run against 9-man fronts and get 3.3 YPC.

[Osiris]

@gftchris said:

I was in a good mood this morning. Then I thought I'd check in on the Browns, see if we had news on Rubin and Laovuvoaovo for the weekend. If you had asked me which player we'd traded away, I would have gone through about 50 guesses before getting to Richardson!

Three problems, neither of which are related to not having him on the team next year:

1) Why was this done now, not at the end of the season?

2) Why did we only get a first rounder?

3) Who's going to play RB this season?

I guess next year we're in for Lewis and someone else, RB by committee, presumably some power back. I think that'll work out fine, but it's basically giving up on this season. Still, next April/May is going to be some exciting times!

1) This was driven by the Colts FO. They needed an RB now with their starting RB injured. They are a team in contention and this may be the difference they need in post-season play.

2) Because RB is not the critical role it used to be anymore, and a 1st round pick for a player with potential but not awe-inspiring production is a good deal.

3) Willis McGahee apparently. It doesn't really matter.

If the Browns get Bridgewater, we'll all be saying "Who's Trent Richardson again?"

[FairHooker11]

@fairhooker11 said:

so your point is? .....

Belichick is your hero , and you are butthurt from way back in 1993?

yes?

[djdawg2010]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

After Adrian Peterson (7th, '07), the next 5 leading rushers in NFL last season were drafted 173rd, 12th, 73rd, 31st and Not At All.

You can get a RB from rounds 2-7 to perform just as good, if not better, than Trent has so far. Don't believe me? Ask LeSean McCoy. Ask Arian Foster. Ask Demarco Murray. Ask Bernard Pierce.

Ask Frank Gore. Ask Ahmad Bradshaw. Ask Stevan Ridley. Ask Isaac Redman.

All had higher YPC than Richardson last season, all were taken outside the first two rounds or not even drafted at all.

And if you don't believe them, ask nearly all of the 40 qualified players (100 carries+) that finished with a higher YPC average than Richardson did. Only a select few were first rounders. The rest- middle to late rounders.

If we get a franchise QB and an impact WR/CB/OG in the first round and a RB in rounds 2-4 that gets 900ish yards and a sackful of TD's (pedestrian numbers similar to Richardson's), this trade will be a great success.

But you keep pretending that Richardson was some great talent and that we really screwed ourselves.

Hopefully a Banner and Lombardi know a lot more about building a team than you do.

I'm inclined to agree. The NFL is a passing league, and running backs are a dime a dozen. Jim Brown said Richardson was nothing more than an ordinary back. Everyone gave him shit for that statement! Seems to be that Jim Brown could be right.

Look folks, this is a brand new regime from the owner down to the coaching staff. This regime did not draft Weeden and Richardson! We already knew they weren't high on Weeden coming in, so with new management we're going to have to expect some turnover, and new management bringing in their own people! Happens every day, and the NFL is indeed a business. This new management team just better get it right down the road, or it will be another case of "meet the new boss.... same as the old boss!" Regardless of what you feel about this trade, you have to admit it was ballsy!

[hx214]

@osiris said:

Osiris, on 19 Sept 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

I agree, this is a brilliant move. Would I trade a horrible season this year for sustained winning seasons starting two years from now? Absolutely, and that's what the FO is going for here. The most important thing for a successful football team is QB, OL, Pass Rush. They've nailed down pass rush with Mingo, Kreuger, and the rest of the front 7. They have all the OL components except for RG. Now they need QB. With 10 picks in a very talented upcoming draft class, they will be able to address QB, RG, WR, and CB all with third-round or earlier picks.

Most importantly, they are trying to keep the core talent pool of the team under 30. That means that by the time picks from last year and the 2014 draft start producing, we'll still have production from the components of the team that are productive today.

Let me tell you, if I could find a Joe Banner Browns Jersey, I'd buy it.

Not totally disagreeing with you, but wondering what the front office has done so far that has you putting so much faith in them that they won't botch the draft picks they have picked up?

The Dez Bryant signing looks good

The Devon Bess deal looks good

But then I see....

They couldn't sign a cornerback in the offseason to help on the other side.

They drafted McFadden who can't get on the field.

They drafted the Saftey out of ND that wasn't even in playable shape and then they wavied him.

They brought in Jason Campbell to "compete" against Weeden and after two games of Weeden choking they skip over him and go with Hoyer.

They couldn't bring in a FB and have let Obie try to shoe horn himself into the mix which isn't working.

They couldn't bring in a guard and have let Cousins look like a moron out there.

Somebody give me a reason to be optomistic that they won't wiff on 3/4's of the picks they picked up...

[FairHooker11]

@usfbrown said:

How is getting a 1st round pick for a bust rb that can be replaced by any RB for 3 yards a carry tanking the season?

agreed, I for one think the defensive side of the ball can and will represent on sunday.....

screw the tanking for teddy talk.

let the newly fitted offense work its way - we might be surprised?

[calfoxwc]

Belichump was a piece of crap. He "matured" a lot, when he failed in Cleveland.

Biggest reason he failed, is because of his own arrogance - especially in dumping

Kosar because of Kosar's changing a play for a TD. The players didn't respect him.

TRich is a very special back. his power, and great agility is a combination any playoff

caliber team would love.

However, with the Browns oline struggles (OG's - main cause), TRich is wasted. He also isn't

a speedy, slashing rb that can go out and catch passes, and take off for TD's. Dion Lewis showed

us the difference. They were using Lewis up the middle, out in the flat, running patterns downfield...

TR isn't that kind of back. And, the Colts need that power back for redzones. The op to get TRich

was worth their first rounder, because they are loaded with a lot of talent.

Bridgewater is terrific, but I don't see them trading up to #1 to get him... they still need a big cb, a blue chippie wr,

a qb, and a rb, and at least one, huge, quick footed OG with one of their later picks. And a backup T.

That trade up to get Bridgey would take too much...as usual - unless the season plays out where the jags

win some games and....ah well. It's early. I'll be rooting for TRich, and I hope the Colts draft somewhere around

mid round....

[TJMAC]

Brilliant move? THEY QUIT. They traded 11 TDs in his rookie season w/ broken ribs so we could maybe draft the franchise savior at QB. We trade a RB because our R Guard is a revolving door & our R tackle took the first 2 weeks off mentally for Rosh Hashana & Yom Kippur. It's amazing our shitty RB averaged 5.8 running to the left.

Mr 3.5 Jerome Bettis is laughing while he polishes his Super Bowl ring.

"Wait til next year!" Fuck waiting til next year. Now we might be decent in 4 years. Fucking great.

[ballpeen]

Let's hope the Colts don't wake up with buyers remorse and use the physical as a means out.