TRICH traded to colts
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Lombardi is not our primary drafter... Joe Banner is, along with guys like Ray Farmer, John Sandusky, and Ken Kovash. Also, veteran coaches such as Norv Turner and Ray Horton. Our player personnel department is filled with quality guys, including a mix of "football guys" and "analytics" guys. I would imagine Banner pulled the trigger on this trade b/c he is smart enough to realize TRich is not worth a 1st round pick, and we may have gotten a steal.
Don't forget, while us fans have to go through this "rebuilding" sh** again and again, this is theses guys' first season. They are trully trying to re-build, and I believe they are trying to do it correctly, and quickly.
Lombardi is not our primary drafter... Joe Banner is, along with guys like Ray Farmer, John Sandusky, and Ken Kovash. Also, veteran coaches such as Norv Turner and Ray Horton. Our player personnel department is filled with quality guys, including a mix of "football guys" and "analytics" guys. I would imagine Banner pulled the trigger on this trade b/c he is smart enough to realize TRich is not worth a 1st round pick, and we may have gotten a steal.
Don't forget, while us fans have to go through this "rebuilding" sh** again and again, this is theses guys' first season. They are trully trying to re-build, and I believe they are trying to do it correctly, and quickly.
If thats the case then why the fuck is Lomtardi even here in the first place...Banners butt warmer maybe?
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Mik rarely, if ever, knows what he's saying...but he defends it to the death and that takes a lot of balls.
I respect him more than most on here, simply because some of the crazy shit he says is actually true.
For the record, this season our line ranks as worst in the league in sacks, so It's not hard to imagine that the running game is suffering from them.
But a great back overcomes those flaws and Richardson didn't.
Listen I agree that the O line has flat out sucked. I am simply saying that rambling on and on about Richardson being elite is flat nonsense. And you cant blame me for being pissed when Mik jumps on and acts like I am new as a Browns fan simply because I have a low post count. It was totally out of line. I hate the fact we suck again. Shit I was convinced this was the year it all changed. I totally feel the pain but I don't need to deal with board elitism.....its comical
I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
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i mean a guy with a website like this is just off the chains:
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Miktoxic, why be a fuckin dick? Jackass. Make you feel better keyboard tough guy?
I agree with you though. How ppl have any fucking faith in Lombardi is amazing, he last QB he took in the draft was Jamarcus Russell. Show me any evidence to suggest they'll pull in top notch talent for this team, please. This FO has a track record of failure, laden with busts. Thinking that we'll capitalize on all these picks is just blind optimism, not reality.
We need a QB and we woulda been able to get him with our own pick, we weren't winning many games with this Oline. We need guards, a WR, and another CB to replace Owens and Skrine. Until we fix the Oline, it's pointless. Schwartz is statistically the WORST Olineman in the NFL through 2 games, btw. The problems aren't limited to OG.
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I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
No... it was a trap play with Greco pulling right. The hole has to be somewhere to the right. Impossible to miss that call...
But regardless an NFL RB has to see that hole... no excuses...
And it was not just this one time. Not that you or anyone read it, but in my week one breakdown I noted that TR missed holes less than a yard from where he ran on a few occasions. I even joked that he wears glasses off the field, so maybe he needs them on the field as well.
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Guess you weren't at the games before "the Decision I" Because of Kosargate the fans TURNED on Belichick and he Knew he was done dickinhand seem everyone but you...the idiot who calls him Belichoke
so your point is? .....
Belichick is your hero , and you are butthurt from way back in 1993?
so your point is? .....
Belichick is your hero , and you are butthurt from way back in 1993?
No sugar butt.....since 64' my point? You're a fuckin moron that know's shit. My "hero?" My dad..Landed on Guadalcanal at 17 and spent his 19th birthday on Pelilu. My other Hero? The Corpsman that saved my life in Vietnam.... now go grab your ankles
And you have sports hero's??? I pitty you
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Miktoxic, why be a fuckin dick? Jackass. Make you feel better keyboard tough guy?
I agree with you though. How ppl have any fucking faith in Lombardi is amazing, he last QB he took in the draft was Jamarcus Russell. Show me any evidence to suggest they'll pull in top notch talent for this team, please. This FO has a track record of failure, laden with busts. Thinking that we'll capitalize on all these picks is just blind optimism, not reality.
We need a QB and we woulda been able to get him with our own pick, we weren't winning many games with this Oline. We need guards, a WR, and another CB to replace Owens and Skrine. Until we fix the Oline, it's pointless. Schwartz is statistically the WORST Olineman in the NFL through 2 games, btw. The problems aren't limited to OG.
Miktoxic, why be a fuckin dick? Jackass. Make you feel better keyboard tough guy?
I agree with you though. How ppl have any fucking faith in Lombardi is amazing, he last QB he took in the draft was Jamarcus Russell. Show me any evidence to suggest they'll pull in top notch talent for this team, please. This FO has a track record of failure, laden with busts. Thinking that we'll capitalize on all these picks is just blind optimism, not reality.
We need a QB and we woulda been able to get him with our own pick, we weren't winning many games with this Oline. We need guards, a WR, and another CB to replace Owens and Skrine. Until we fix the Oline, it's pointless. Schwartz is statistically the WORST Olineman in the NFL through 2 games, btw. The problems aren't limited to OG.
Thanks for talking sense into him... lol.
To clarify, I actually don't have faith in Lombardi, I have faith in Banner. I think Lombardi is the GM because Banner wanted someone he could control. Lombardi is going to be on a very short leash in the draft. The T. Rich trade isn't about getting the QB, it's about getting as much high-level talent as possible. As you rightly mentioned, the browns have many problems on the offensive side of the ball. It's going to take all those picks and free agency to fill them.
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Mik rarely, if ever, knows what he's saying...but he defends it to the death and that takes a lot of balls.
I respect him more than most on here, simply because some of the crazy shit he says is actually true.
For the record, this season our line ranks as worst in the league in sacks, so It's not hard to imagine that the running game is suffering from them.
But a great back overcomes those flaws and Richardson didn't.
Listen I agree that the O line has flat out sucked. I am simply saying that rambling on and on about Richardson being elite is flat nonsense. And you cant blame me for being pissed when Mik jumps on and acts like I am new as a Browns fan simply because I have a low post count. It was totally out of line. I hate the fact we suck again. Shit I was convinced this was the year it all changed. I totally feel the pain but I don't need to deal with board elitism.....its comical
I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
I saw that. It proves what I've been saying since March of last year...Richardson is an average back in a beast body.
I'm sure thee were multiple examples of this. But our line is still tied for last in the league as of yesterday (per CBS Sports Radio) and there have also been examples of bad run blocking as well.
Greco and Lauvao need time together starting and the line needs to jell. OL is a cohesive unit, plug and play replacements rarely get the job done.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I can't quite figure this one out. The Browns have a very good defense, but a terrible offense, and yet, they trade away the only player on offense the opposing defense needs to prepare for?? For one pick that could be anywhere in the teens or twenties? Glad the Ravens didn't do that with Jamal Lewis when Kyle Boller was at the helm. At least they remained competitive.
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Lombardi is not our primary drafter... Joe Banner is, along with guys like Ray Farmer, John Sandusky, and Ken Kovash. Also, veteran coaches such as Norv Turner and Ray Horton. Our player personnel department is filled with quality guys, including a mix of "football guys" and "analytics" guys. I would imagine Banner pulled the trigger on this trade b/c he is smart enough to realize TRich is not worth a 1st round pick, and we may have gotten a steal.
Don't forget, while us fans have to go through this "rebuilding" sh** again and again, this is theses guys' first season. They are trully trying to re-build, and I believe they are trying to do it correctly, and quickly.
If thats the case then why the fuck is Lomtardi even here in the first place...Banners butt warmer maybe?
If thats the case then why the fuck is Lomtardi even here in the first place...Banners butt warmer maybe?
Banner's ass is squarely on the line with two extremely unpopular decisions- first hiring Lombardi, second trading Richardson. If he's wrong, he'll be out of a job before the snow flies in 2014.
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Richardson out gains McGahee. McGahee gets hurt. Richardson rushes for 175 and 3 TD's. POG flies to Indy, kills Richardson, kisses Luck and then swallows a knife.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Take away AP's season opening TD run and he's averaging around 2 YPC.
Just throwing it out there.
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Take away AP's season opening TD run and he's averaging around 2 YPC.
Just throwing it out there.
Take away AP's season opening TD run and he's averaging around 2 YPC.
Just throwing it out there.
Peterson also has a 2,000 yard rushing season to his credit- get back to me when Richardson can say the same.
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"We're gearing up for a big roster overhaul, I believe."
I think anyone who has been here more than 1 year is vulnerable, including Thomas and Haden, and maybe they should clean house.
"We're gearing up for a big roster overhaul, I believe."
I think anyone who has been here more than 1 year is vulnerable, including Thomas and Haden, and maybe they should clean house.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The rooster NEEDS a big ovehaul except........The Cupboard is BARE...The only 2 players that could possibly bring you value are Haden and Thomas and you won't get high value for either, especially Thomas because of his contract. You have to hope the players you have progress year after year. I would be shocked if they let Thomas go...Someone will get really,really hurt
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I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
Who said he was a bum? The "bums" were the ones who not only drafted him 3rd but used MULTIPLE PICKS TO GET HIM!!!!!!! I was sold on either Kalil (bookend tackles ahhhhh) or Clairbone and would have traded DOWN for Barron, Kuechly, Floyd, or Kirpatrick...oh well .......Waiting for Next Year
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"We're gearing up for a big roster overhaul, I believe."
I think anyone who has been here more than 1 year is vulnerable, including Thomas and Haden, and maybe they should clean house.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The rooster NEEDS a big ovehaul except........The Cupboard is BARE...The only 2 players that could possibly bring you value are Haden and Thomas and you won't get high value for either, especially Thomas because of his contract. You have to hope the players you have progress year after year. I would be shocked if they let Thomas go...Someone will get really,really hurt
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The rooster NEEDS a big ovehaul except........The Cupboard is BARE...The only 2 players that could possibly bring you value are Haden and Thomas and you won't get high value for either, especially Thomas because of his contract. You have to hope the players you have progress year after year. I would be shocked if they let Thomas go...Someone will get really,really hurt
OOOOPS.....I missed Alex Mack... I understand this ownership wants to make it's mark.... and this trade is good for the Browns if they have made at LEAST a 5 year commitment to the Head Coach. If not this franchise is doomed to be the all time laughing stock of pro sports.....wait isn't it there already?
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Richardson out gains McGahee. McGahee gets hurt. Richardson rushes for 175 and 3 TD's. POG flies to Indy, kills Richardson, kisses Luck and then swallows a knife.
Richardson out gains McGahee. McGahee gets hurt. Richardson rushes for 175 and 3 TD's. POG flies to Indy, kills Richardson, kisses Luck and then swallows a knife.
I don't know about that...
But maybe, I'd be in the backseat of Banner's car, waiting for him with a butcher's knife, a bag of feathers and a bucket of tar.
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Forgot about your question about 1st rounder........WHY? What has Richardson done that you would want more than a 1st rounder? Granted it will be a low 1st rounder but now you have a chance for a bookend tackle ( could have had Kaili in 12) a stud guard (missed on Womack last year) A top Corner or a Steve Atwater (yea I'm old but ask Bernie how Atwater KILLED the Browns) type safety. What Receiver do you think the Opp. fears? Little?? Benjimin? Cooper? Christ Gordon is the only worthwhile receiver and he's one nap at Taco Bell away from a total ban
I honestly don't see what all the whining is all about this team was AT BEST a 7-9 team....Win a couple pre season games and you all get a wood...christ
The point is, Richardson for a first rounder is probably about fair value - 31 other teams seem to think so. So why trade for 'fair value' mid way through the season.
I'm coming round to the trade, I just wish we could have got a bit more. If we end up sucking enough to get a top 3 pick, we get our starting QB, then we use the colts' on a WR. That gives us a 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th to get a RB, CB and OG. I'm actually OK with that. My big concern is this season.
The point is, Richardson for a first rounder is probably about fair value - 31 other teams seem to think so. So why trade for 'fair value' mid way through the season.
I'm coming round to the trade, I just wish we could have got a bit more. If we end up sucking enough to get a top 3 pick, we get our starting QB, then we use the colts' on a WR. That gives us a 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th to get a RB, CB and OG. I'm actually OK with that. .
"My big concern is this season"
WHY??? Think the Browns would have made the playoffs with Richardson this year? At BEST they would have won 6 or 7 and if you take the emotions out of it you would agree. MY BIG CORCERN is Ownership/GM/Coach...if any one of these 3 change the Browns are S-C-R-E-W-E-D again. You have at least 8 holes to plug, plus step in type of players and you ain't gonna get that in 2-3 years. Bannerbardi/Chud are gonna need at LEAST 4-5 years because of the bullshit flopping each coach before them made. Plus you HAVE to overpay to get a free agent to come play for a loser in a winter climate. Right now I would take Carolina over Cleveland in a heartbeat...I hate the cold!!!
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All the reports I've read from an Indy point of view are surprisingly similar to us - nobody in that backfield will be able to rush until their OL gets fixed. Otoh, teams will respect the pass more, but I still don't see a 100-yard game. Given that he's got about 3 days to learn the playbook, will be part of a 1-2 combo with bradshaw, I'd say 60-yards is about right.
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