TRICH traded to colts
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Miktoxic, why be a fuckin dick? Jackass. Make you feel better keyboard tough guy?
I agree with you though. How ppl have any fucking faith in Lombardi is amazing, he last QB he took in the draft was Jamarcus Russell. Show me any evidence to suggest they'll pull in top notch talent for this team, please. This FO has a track record of failure, laden with busts. Thinking that we'll capitalize on all these picks is just blind optimism, not reality.
We need a QB and we woulda been able to get him with our own pick, we weren't winning many games with this Oline. We need guards, a WR, and another CB to replace Owens and Skrine. Until we fix the Oline, it's pointless. Schwartz is statistically the WORST Olineman in the NFL through 2 games, btw. The problems aren't limited to OG.
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I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
No... it was a trap play with Greco pulling right. The hole has to be somewhere to the right. Impossible to miss that call...
But regardless an NFL RB has to see that hole... no excuses...
And it was not just this one time. Not that you or anyone read it, but in my week one breakdown I noted that TR missed holes less than a yard from where he ran on a few occasions. I even joked that he wears glasses off the field, so maybe he needs them on the field as well.
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Guess you weren't at the games before "the Decision I" Because of Kosargate the fans TURNED on Belichick and he Knew he was done dickinhand seem everyone but you...the idiot who calls him Belichoke
so your point is? .....
Belichick is your hero , and you are butthurt from way back in 1993?
so your point is? .....
Belichick is your hero , and you are butthurt from way back in 1993?
No sugar butt.....since 64' my point? You're a fuckin moron that know's shit. My "hero?" My dad..Landed on Guadalcanal at 17 and spent his 19th birthday on Pelilu. My other Hero? The Corpsman that saved my life in Vietnam.... now go grab your ankles
And you have sports hero's??? I pitty you
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Miktoxic, why be a fuckin dick? Jackass. Make you feel better keyboard tough guy?
I agree with you though. How ppl have any fucking faith in Lombardi is amazing, he last QB he took in the draft was Jamarcus Russell. Show me any evidence to suggest they'll pull in top notch talent for this team, please. This FO has a track record of failure, laden with busts. Thinking that we'll capitalize on all these picks is just blind optimism, not reality.
We need a QB and we woulda been able to get him with our own pick, we weren't winning many games with this Oline. We need guards, a WR, and another CB to replace Owens and Skrine. Until we fix the Oline, it's pointless. Schwartz is statistically the WORST Olineman in the NFL through 2 games, btw. The problems aren't limited to OG.
Miktoxic, why be a fuckin dick? Jackass. Make you feel better keyboard tough guy?
I agree with you though. How ppl have any fucking faith in Lombardi is amazing, he last QB he took in the draft was Jamarcus Russell. Show me any evidence to suggest they'll pull in top notch talent for this team, please. This FO has a track record of failure, laden with busts. Thinking that we'll capitalize on all these picks is just blind optimism, not reality.
We need a QB and we woulda been able to get him with our own pick, we weren't winning many games with this Oline. We need guards, a WR, and another CB to replace Owens and Skrine. Until we fix the Oline, it's pointless. Schwartz is statistically the WORST Olineman in the NFL through 2 games, btw. The problems aren't limited to OG.
Thanks for talking sense into him... lol.
To clarify, I actually don't have faith in Lombardi, I have faith in Banner. I think Lombardi is the GM because Banner wanted someone he could control. Lombardi is going to be on a very short leash in the draft. The T. Rich trade isn't about getting the QB, it's about getting as much high-level talent as possible. As you rightly mentioned, the browns have many problems on the offensive side of the ball. It's going to take all those picks and free agency to fill them.
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Mik rarely, if ever, knows what he's saying...but he defends it to the death and that takes a lot of balls.
I respect him more than most on here, simply because some of the crazy shit he says is actually true.
For the record, this season our line ranks as worst in the league in sacks, so It's not hard to imagine that the running game is suffering from them.
But a great back overcomes those flaws and Richardson didn't.
Listen I agree that the O line has flat out sucked. I am simply saying that rambling on and on about Richardson being elite is flat nonsense. And you cant blame me for being pissed when Mik jumps on and acts like I am new as a Browns fan simply because I have a low post count. It was totally out of line. I hate the fact we suck again. Shit I was convinced this was the year it all changed. I totally feel the pain but I don't need to deal with board elitism.....its comical
I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
I saw that. It proves what I've been saying since March of last year...Richardson is an average back in a beast body.
I'm sure thee were multiple examples of this. But our line is still tied for last in the league as of yesterday (per CBS Sports Radio) and there have also been examples of bad run blocking as well.
Greco and Lauvao need time together starting and the line needs to jell. OL is a cohesive unit, plug and play replacements rarely get the job done.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I can't quite figure this one out. The Browns have a very good defense, but a terrible offense, and yet, they trade away the only player on offense the opposing defense needs to prepare for?? For one pick that could be anywhere in the teens or twenties? Glad the Ravens didn't do that with Jamal Lewis when Kyle Boller was at the helm. At least they remained competitive.
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Lombardi is not our primary drafter... Joe Banner is, along with guys like Ray Farmer, John Sandusky, and Ken Kovash. Also, veteran coaches such as Norv Turner and Ray Horton. Our player personnel department is filled with quality guys, including a mix of "football guys" and "analytics" guys. I would imagine Banner pulled the trigger on this trade b/c he is smart enough to realize TRich is not worth a 1st round pick, and we may have gotten a steal.
Don't forget, while us fans have to go through this "rebuilding" sh** again and again, this is theses guys' first season. They are trully trying to re-build, and I believe they are trying to do it correctly, and quickly.
If thats the case then why the fuck is Lomtardi even here in the first place...Banners butt warmer maybe?
If thats the case then why the fuck is Lomtardi even here in the first place...Banners butt warmer maybe?
Banner's ass is squarely on the line with two extremely unpopular decisions- first hiring Lombardi, second trading Richardson. If he's wrong, he'll be out of a job before the snow flies in 2014.
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Richardson out gains McGahee. McGahee gets hurt. Richardson rushes for 175 and 3 TD's. POG flies to Indy, kills Richardson, kisses Luck and then swallows a knife.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Take away AP's season opening TD run and he's averaging around 2 YPC.
Just throwing it out there.
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Take away AP's season opening TD run and he's averaging around 2 YPC.
Just throwing it out there.
Take away AP's season opening TD run and he's averaging around 2 YPC.
Just throwing it out there.
Peterson also has a 2,000 yard rushing season to his credit- get back to me when Richardson can say the same.
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"We're gearing up for a big roster overhaul, I believe."
I think anyone who has been here more than 1 year is vulnerable, including Thomas and Haden, and maybe they should clean house.
"We're gearing up for a big roster overhaul, I believe."
I think anyone who has been here more than 1 year is vulnerable, including Thomas and Haden, and maybe they should clean house.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The rooster NEEDS a big ovehaul except........The Cupboard is BARE...The only 2 players that could possibly bring you value are Haden and Thomas and you won't get high value for either, especially Thomas because of his contract. You have to hope the players you have progress year after year. I would be shocked if they let Thomas go...Someone will get really,really hurt
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I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
Who said he was a bum? The "bums" were the ones who not only drafted him 3rd but used MULTIPLE PICKS TO GET HIM!!!!!!! I was sold on either Kalil (bookend tackles ahhhhh) or Clairbone and would have traded DOWN for Barron, Kuechly, Floyd, or Kirpatrick...oh well .......Waiting for Next Year
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"We're gearing up for a big roster overhaul, I believe."
I think anyone who has been here more than 1 year is vulnerable, including Thomas and Haden, and maybe they should clean house.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The rooster NEEDS a big ovehaul except........The Cupboard is BARE...The only 2 players that could possibly bring you value are Haden and Thomas and you won't get high value for either, especially Thomas because of his contract. You have to hope the players you have progress year after year. I would be shocked if they let Thomas go...Someone will get really,really hurt
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The rooster NEEDS a big ovehaul except........The Cupboard is BARE...The only 2 players that could possibly bring you value are Haden and Thomas and you won't get high value for either, especially Thomas because of his contract. You have to hope the players you have progress year after year. I would be shocked if they let Thomas go...Someone will get really,really hurt
OOOOPS.....I missed Alex Mack... I understand this ownership wants to make it's mark.... and this trade is good for the Browns if they have made at LEAST a 5 year commitment to the Head Coach. If not this franchise is doomed to be the all time laughing stock of pro sports.....wait isn't it there already?
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Richardson out gains McGahee. McGahee gets hurt. Richardson rushes for 175 and 3 TD's. POG flies to Indy, kills Richardson, kisses Luck and then swallows a knife.
Richardson out gains McGahee. McGahee gets hurt. Richardson rushes for 175 and 3 TD's. POG flies to Indy, kills Richardson, kisses Luck and then swallows a knife.
I don't know about that...
But maybe, I'd be in the backseat of Banner's car, waiting for him with a butcher's knife, a bag of feathers and a bucket of tar.
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Forgot about your question about 1st rounder........WHY? What has Richardson done that you would want more than a 1st rounder? Granted it will be a low 1st rounder but now you have a chance for a bookend tackle ( could have had Kaili in 12) a stud guard (missed on Womack last year) A top Corner or a Steve Atwater (yea I'm old but ask Bernie how Atwater KILLED the Browns) type safety. What Receiver do you think the Opp. fears? Little?? Benjimin? Cooper? Christ Gordon is the only worthwhile receiver and he's one nap at Taco Bell away from a total ban
I honestly don't see what all the whining is all about this team was AT BEST a 7-9 team....Win a couple pre season games and you all get a wood...christ
The point is, Richardson for a first rounder is probably about fair value - 31 other teams seem to think so. So why trade for 'fair value' mid way through the season.
I'm coming round to the trade, I just wish we could have got a bit more. If we end up sucking enough to get a top 3 pick, we get our starting QB, then we use the colts' on a WR. That gives us a 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th to get a RB, CB and OG. I'm actually OK with that. My big concern is this season.
The point is, Richardson for a first rounder is probably about fair value - 31 other teams seem to think so. So why trade for 'fair value' mid way through the season.
I'm coming round to the trade, I just wish we could have got a bit more. If we end up sucking enough to get a top 3 pick, we get our starting QB, then we use the colts' on a WR. That gives us a 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th to get a RB, CB and OG. I'm actually OK with that. .
"My big concern is this season"
WHY??? Think the Browns would have made the playoffs with Richardson this year? At BEST they would have won 6 or 7 and if you take the emotions out of it you would agree. MY BIG CORCERN is Ownership/GM/Coach...if any one of these 3 change the Browns are S-C-R-E-W-E-D again. You have at least 8 holes to plug, plus step in type of players and you ain't gonna get that in 2-3 years. Bannerbardi/Chud are gonna need at LEAST 4-5 years because of the bullshit flopping each coach before them made. Plus you HAVE to overpay to get a free agent to come play for a loser in a winter climate. Right now I would take Carolina over Cleveland in a heartbeat...I hate the cold!!!
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All the reports I've read from an Indy point of view are surprisingly similar to us - nobody in that backfield will be able to rush until their OL gets fixed. Otoh, teams will respect the pass more, but I still don't see a 100-yard game. Given that he's got about 3 days to learn the playbook, will be part of a 1-2 combo with bradshaw, I'd say 60-yards is about right.
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If TR goes to Indy and has a real good season, we will know that he was mismanaged and will say a lot about the management team in place. And the same will hold if he flops, we will know then that the management team has a clue. Sorry for being so skeptical but as a Browns fan it comes honestly.
If TR goes to Indy and has a real good season, we will know that he was mismanaged and will say a lot about the management team in place. And the same will hold if he flops, we will know then that the management team has a clue. Sorry for being so skeptical but as a Browns fan it comes honestly.
No it won't...Who did the Browns get in exchange and where is he playing in '13? Will he be in Minnesota in time for the game? This trade will take 2-3 years to make a SMART comparison and even then so what? It's apples to grapes...the Browns line SUCKS and won't get better in the near future. You do understand that you need only average 62.5 yd/game to get 1,0000 right? 20 carries/ game...3.2 yds / carry not real impressive right? Richardson couldn't even do that...BUT BUT he was hurt!!! Yep.....behind a better line.....
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I've been waiting since '64..... pay your dues take out your tampon and man up .......let me know what you want for your tickets crybaby
dude you are playing with the wrong person.
i'd love to break you down, but you've probably already been deleted from the board.
thank friggin god. what a dick.
dude you are playing with the wrong person.
i'd love to break you down, but you've probably already been deleted from the board.
thank friggin god. what a dick.
Sorry sparky still here....maybe next year in 4th grade they will teach you how to follow a thread. The whining little school girl was bitching because he's had to wait since 99 for a championship and wants a refund on his tickets...I offered to buy a couple
Break me down? Shit I've been a Browns fan since the 50's had season tickets for over 30 yrs ending in '95 and saw every Steeler game home and away for 21 years...that's 42 games for you 3rd graders...Break me down.....buttercup I'm waiting
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I forget....do we have two 1st rounders next year or do we now have 3? For some reason I thought we picked up one in a earlier trade.
I found the answer....2 next year.
I forget....do we have two 1st rounders next year or do we now have 3? For some reason I thought we picked up one in a earlier trade.
I found the answer....2 next year.
You saw what happen the last time the Browns had 2 1st rounders behind Trent/Weeden right?
Got our Franchise Tackle and our Franchise QB......Philadelphia used the pick to draft Kevin Kolb who Cleveland wanted even after they passed him over
3 missed 1st round picks in 2 drafts......only in Cleveland
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hey the guy loved TRich. give him a fucking break. he's been here longer than you so we all know what he's about. and although i didn't like the pick in the first place POeticG was here while you were still sitting around on sundays wondering which team to root for.
glad you showed up. you might as well put yourself down as a media cuz i never heard of you until this 'big breaking story' and now you waltz in and bash one of our members who has been here through thick and thin (yes totally rooting for TR ad naseum).
i WILL throw the OLine at you, as i have at anyone who'll listen for years now. you win with the strength of your lines...both sides, mano a mano. it sure helps the running game AND it might add a couple of years of NFL 'life' to the next pretty boy diva QB they bring in here. and buy time for your pretty boy diva WRs to get open.
make any sense?
Let me start with a rousing FUCK YOU. Just who the fuck do you think you are to assume I just jumped on the Browns bandwagon. Hell that proves your ignorance as they aren't currently what I would call a bandwagon team.
I am a Browns fan through and through and have been for 51 years. I don't care how long PoeticG has been here or how many posts he has. His posts make no sense and he rambles. It is obvious often his main goal is to simply increase his post count with his stupid one liner rants. You and he are peas of a pod. Internet groupies that define their expertise, value and self worth by their post count. You barked (pun intended) up the wrong tree asshole. I am a long time season ticket holder and have every right to express my opinions here regardless of what you or your little buddy think. I was born and raised in Northeast Ohio and will be a Browns fan until I die. He's been "through" with the Browns since hmmm I don't know maybe 40 posts ago. As far as the O line is concerned please take a look at the 21 backs that rank above him and convince yourself their lines are all great. They aren't some of them are simply playmakers.
You keep defending your little internet butt buddy all you want. Fact is his posts this week have been pure bullshit.
PS did you mean to try pulling off Latin there or did you actually mean Ass Nausea?
Let me start with a rousing FUCK YOU. Just who the fuck do you think you are to assume I just jumped on the Browns bandwagon. Hell that proves your ignorance as they aren't currently what I would call a bandwagon team.
I am a Browns fan through and through and have been for 51 years. I don't care how long PoeticG has been here or how many posts he has. His posts make no sense and he rambles. It is obvious often his main goal is to simply increase his post count with his stupid one liner rants. You and he are peas of a pod. Internet groupies that define their expertise, value and self worth by their post count. You barked (pun intended) up the wrong tree asshole. I am a long time season ticket holder and have every right to express my opinions here regardless of what you or your little buddy think. I was born and raised in Northeast Ohio and will be a Browns fan until I die. He's been "through" with the Browns since hmmm I don't know maybe 40 posts ago. As far as the O line is concerned please take a look at the 21 backs that rank above him and convince yourself their lines are all great. They aren't some of them are simply playmakers.
You keep defending your little internet butt buddy all you want. Fact is his posts this week have been pure bullshit.
PS did you mean to try pulling off Latin there or did you actually mean Ass Nausea?
Way to go JCAMM throw logic and the truth at em.....They don't want the truth, they can't handle the truth. 51 years? Bandwagon jumper.....54years here and had seasons for 30 years ending in 95 except for the 3 1/2 years I spent in Vietnam. 1st thing my dad handed me when I got off the plane back in the world was my Browns Season Tickets
Miss You Gunny....SEMPER FI DAD
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