TRICH traded to colts
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Everyone keeps saying that RBs are a dime a dozen.
Then how come we don't have one? We don't have a dime?
We don't have one NFL carry on our tailback depth chart and we play a league game in three days.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Everyone keeps saying that RBs are a dime a dozen.
Then how come we don't have one? We don't have a dime?
We don't have one NFL carry on our tailback depth chart and we play a league game in three days.
Zombo
Don't worry Willis McGahee is on the way to save the day. Banner didn't say it- but we're tanking for Teddy".
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wonder if norv can persuade a certain LT to come back?
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There is bad news,worse news, and worst news about this trade:
1.You get at low first round pick from a team DESPERATE for a running back.The
Browns should have raped the Colts on this deal.
2,Who knows if there is even a franchise QB in next years draft?
3. And the WORST news is Mike Lombardi is your GM. Here is a guy
who is such an embarrassment that he wasn't even allowed to
show up at the press conference announcing the trade. The man is
the GM and is not even permitted to show up at the presser? ( Yeah I know
Banner's reasons for hiding him.) As posted earlier in this post,look
at his draft record.
BTW I am not against this trade. It's just that I thought the Browns should
have gotten more in return and I simply don't think Lombardi knows
football.
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The only reason I can see Hoyer getting the start is this:
In 2001, the New England Patriots started off 0-2 after a depressing 5-11 season the year before. Their 30 year old QB, Drew Bledsoe, injured himself in the fourth quarter of an inter divisional game, and a relatively unheralded QB from a Michigan university then supplanted him as starting QB the next week against a Midwestern team. Brady had two wholly unspectacular performances as a starter before becoming what he is today.
In 2013, the Cleveland Browns started off 0-2 after a depressing 5-11 season the year before. Their 30 year old QB, Brandon Weeden, injured himself in the fourth quarter of an inter divisional game, and a relatively unheralded QB from a Michigan university will supplant him as starter next week against a Midwestern team.
That's literally the only reason why this makes sense to me.
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This is sadly enlightening, especially the last play shown:
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
After looking at this, I'm starting to think maybe our Run Blocking isn't so bad - look at the size of some of those holes opened (the last one you could drive a truck through).
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channeling zombo....
channeling zombo....
I'm just trying to figure out the reason behind it.
I still hate the move and it think Hoyer is garbage.
What I said before has to be the reason behind it, there's no other explanation.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Lombardi is not our primary drafter... Joe Banner is, along with guys like Ray Farmer, John Sandusky, and Ken Kovash. Also, veteran coaches such as Norv Turner and Ray Horton. Our player personnel department is filled with quality guys, including a mix of "football guys" and "analytics" guys. I would imagine Banner pulled the trigger on this trade b/c he is smart enough to realize TRich is not worth a 1st round pick, and we may have gotten a steal.
Don't forget, while us fans have to go through this "rebuilding" sh** again and again, this is theses guys' first season. They are trully trying to re-build, and I believe they are trying to do it correctly, and quickly.
#Justsayin' -
This is sadly enlightening, especially the last play shown:
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
After looking at this, I'm starting to think maybe our Run Blocking isn't so bad - look at the size of some of those holes opened (the last one you could drive a truck through).
This is sadly enlightening, especially the last play shown:
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
After looking at this, I'm starting to think maybe our Run Blocking isn't so bad - look at the size of some of those holes opened (the last one you could drive a truck through).
Great stuff Hey Trent- ya know how the play was designed- that's pretty damning evidence your dancing got you into trouble.
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If TR goes to Indy and has a real good season, we will know that he was mismanaged and will say a lot about the management team in place. And the same will hold if he flops, we will know then that the management team has a clue. Sorry for being so skeptical but as a Browns fan it comes honestly.
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Lombardi is not our primary drafter... Joe Banner is, along with guys like Ray Farmer, John Sandusky, and Ken Kovash. Also, veteran coaches such as Norv Turner and Ray Horton. Our player personnel department is filled with quality guys, including a mix of "football guys" and "analytics" guys. I would imagine Banner pulled the trigger on this trade b/c he is smart enough to realize TRich is not worth a 1st round pick, and we may have gotten a steal.
Don't forget, while us fans have to go through this "rebuilding" sh** again and again, this is theses guys' first season. They are trully trying to re-build, and I believe they are trying to do it correctly, and quickly.
Lombardi is not our primary drafter... Joe Banner is, along with guys like Ray Farmer, John Sandusky, and Ken Kovash. Also, veteran coaches such as Norv Turner and Ray Horton. Our player personnel department is filled with quality guys, including a mix of "football guys" and "analytics" guys. I would imagine Banner pulled the trigger on this trade b/c he is smart enough to realize TRich is not worth a 1st round pick, and we may have gotten a steal.
Don't forget, while us fans have to go through this "rebuilding" sh** again and again, this is theses guys' first season. They are trully trying to re-build, and I believe they are trying to do it correctly, and quickly.
If it pays off in the long run (and I guess we have to wait and see given that this is a whole new regime from the owner on down) then I'm OK with this trade. Yeah it's gonna be tough to watch, but in the end Trent Richardson is one fuckin' guy! Last time I checked football is a team sport. Furthermore, they aren't the Trent Richardson Browns.... they're the Cleveland Browns! When it comes down to it in the end I root for the name on the front of the jersey (BROWNS) and not the name on the back. I felt that way even when they cut Bernie Kosar, and even despite it being a bad move.
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channeling zombo....
I'm just trying to figure out the reason behind it.
I still hate the move and it think Hoyer is garbage.
What I said before has to be the reason behind it, there's no other explanation.
I'm just trying to figure out the reason behind it.
I still hate the move and it think Hoyer is garbage.
What I said before has to be the reason behind it, there's no other explanation.
The cynical side of me says they feel like they have nothing to lose. Weeden is toast, they know what they have with Campbell, so they want to see if they get a Kurt Warner or Tom Brady out of Hoyer. Not likely, but if they do, they have possibly their franchise QB, and if they don't, and the season tanks, they have a better shot at drafting their franchise QB.
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I agree, this is a brilliant move. Would I trade a horrible season this year for sustained winning seasons starting two years from now? Absolutely, and that's what the FO is going for here. The most important thing for a successful football team is QB, OL, Pass Rush. They've nailed down pass rush with Mingo, Kreuger, and the rest of the front 7. They have all the OL components except for RG. Now they need QB. With 10 picks in a very talented upcoming draft class, they will be able to address QB, RG, WR, and CB all with third-round or earlier picks.
Most importantly, they are trying to keep the core talent pool of the team under 30. That means that by the time picks from last year and the 2014 draft start producing, we'll still have production from the components of the team that are productive today.
Let me tell you, if I could find a Joe Banner Browns Jersey, I'd buy it.
I agree, this is a brilliant move. Would I trade a horrible season this year for sustained winning seasons starting two years from now? Absolutely, and that's what the FO is going for here. The most important thing for a successful football team is QB, OL, Pass Rush. They've nailed down pass rush with Mingo, Kreuger, and the rest of the front 7. They have all the OL components except for RG. Now they need QB. With 10 picks in a very talented upcoming draft class, they will be able to address QB, RG, WR, and CB all with third-round or earlier picks.
Most importantly, they are trying to keep the core talent pool of the team under 30. That means that by the time picks from last year and the 2014 draft start producing, we'll still have production from the components of the team that are productive today.
Let me tell you, if I could find a Joe Banner Browns Jersey, I'd buy it.
you are a dick. what brought you here in the first place, the chance to discuss Teddy Twatwater? the next 'big thing'? yeah, ok. hope you're still here when the team that drafts him waives him and he's down the block from you washing cars.
maybe you can drive your bentley down there and give him a nice tip.
douchebag.
I fail to see how its going to make us better for the future, everything now hangs on draft picks.
If the Browns would have gotten a few young players in the deal along with the trade, then I could see it. Hell, if they take the draft pick they just got from the Colts and trade it for a proven QB that they like, I'd feel better.
They had a full offseason to make the team better and mold them to what they wanted. They drafted a CB that can't get on the field even with Buster Skrine and Adams ahead of him and a Safety they wavied, a back up QB they signed and won't even let play, etc..
All I see now is giving up a starting running back for a late first round pick, that they will probably package together with the other 1st rounder this year to move up from three to one and pick a QB that might work out. Then he won't have anybody to throw to or a line to block for either, so whats the point?
I understand they pulled a high draft pick out of a guy they couldn't use at the moment and I'd love to see the brighter side of this, but I just don't have faith in their drafting...
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who has any faith in this FO with what they have done so far?
i hope banner and lombardi have finally started taking drugs cuz what they've done in their collective years in these positions has been shit and the only good draft pick last year was mingo.
and for those that preach WR, who has time to get open when yoiur new 'franchise' QB is sitting on his ass? just ask tim couch who had all the tools to be a great QB (didn't he play for the same school bridgewater plays for.....hmmmm?) but got so busted up because of no protection that they dedicated the 20 yard line to him because that is where his shoulder is permanently buried (right next to jimmy hoffa).
you build a team from the middle out and the middle back just like in baseball, it's not rocket science. it's about the lines. who up front dominates the other team. look at the contenders this year and the winners of the past. i'll guarantee you they all had awesome lines on both sides of the ball. yeah it's great to have a flashy read option QB until the sunday when terrell suggs comes in from the end and wraps their legs behind their back like a pretzel. ask joe theisman.
thomas is no spring chicken and mack has played what 5 years already? you have to take advantage of the stars on your team (thomas, mack and haden) and compliment those around them. lauvao is a walking shoe boot every year. fuck him. if we don't fix the right side of the line, i don't care if you've got joe montana and jerry rice on the team, you're still going to lose.
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I agree, this is a brilliant move. Would I trade a horrible season this year for sustained winning seasons starting two years from now? Absolutely, and that's what the FO is going for here. The most important thing for a successful football team is QB, OL, Pass Rush. They've nailed down pass rush with Mingo, Kreuger, and the rest of the front 7. They have all the OL components except for RG. Now they need QB. With 10 picks in a very talented upcoming draft class, they will be able to address QB, RG, WR, and CB all with third-round or earlier picks.
Most importantly, they are trying to keep the core talent pool of the team under 30. That means that by the time picks from last year and the 2014 draft start producing, we'll still have production from the components of the team that are productive today.
Let me tell you, if I could find a Joe Banner Browns Jersey, I'd buy it.
you are a dick. what brought you here in the first place, the chance to discuss Teddy Twatwater? the next 'big thing'? yeah, ok. hope you're still here when the team that drafts him waives him and he's down the block from you washing cars.
maybe you can drive your bentley down there and give him a nice tip.
douchebag.
I fail to see how its going to make us better for the future, everything now hangs on draft picks.
If the Browns would have gotten a few young players in the deal along with the trade, then I could see it. Hell, if they take the draft pick they just got from the Colts and trade it for a proven QB that they like, I'd feel better.
They had a full offseason to make the team better and mold them to what they wanted. They drafted a CB that can't get on the field even with Buster Skrine and Adams ahead of him and a Safety they wavied, a back up QB they signed and won't even let play, etc..
All I see now is giving up a starting running back for a late first round pick, that they will probably package together with the other 1st rounder this year to move up from three to one and pick a QB that might work out. Then he won't have anybody to throw to or a line to block for either, so whats the point?
I understand they pulled a high draft pick out of a guy they couldn't use at the moment and I'd love to see the brighter side of this, but I just don't have faith in their drafting...
^+100!
who has any faith in this FO with what they have done so far?
i hope banner and lombardi have finally started taking drugs cuz what they've done in their collective years in these positions has been shit and the only good draft pick last year was mingo.
and for those that preach WR, who has time to get open when yoiur new 'franchise' QB is sitting on his ass? just ask tim couch who had all the tools to be a great QB (didn't he play for the same school bridgewater plays for.....hmmmm?) but got so busted up because of no protection that they dedicated the 20 yard line to him because that is where his shoulder is permanently buried (right next to jimmy hoffa).
you build a team from the middle out and the middle back just like in baseball, it's not rocket science. it's about the lines. who up front dominates the other team. look at the contenders this year and the winners of the past. i'll guarantee you they all had awesome lines on both sides of the ball. yeah it's great to have a flashy read option QB until the sunday when terrell suggs comes in from the end and wraps their legs behind their back like a pretzel. ask joe theisman.
thomas is no spring chicken and mack has played what 5 years already? you have to take advantage of the stars on your team (thomas, mack and haden) and compliment those around them. lauvao is a walking shoe boot every year. fuck him. if we don't fix the right side of the line, i don't care if you've got joe montana and jerry rice on the team, you're still going to lose.
you are a dick. what brought you here in the first place, the chance to discuss Teddy Twatwater? the next 'big thing'? yeah, ok. hope you're still here when the team that drafts him waives him and he's down the block from you washing cars.
maybe you can drive your bentley down there and give him a nice tip.
douchebag.
What's your problem? This is a public forum and I've got every right to post here as you. What, you think you have some fucking right to be an asshole because of your fucking 5,000 posts? You can't handle someone having a different point of view than you? The only person that's a dick here is you, You disagree with me, that's fine. Have some fucking class and argue the points, don't toss out insults because your too fucking stupid to argue an idea.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
If TR goes to Indy and has a real good season, we will know that he was mismanaged and will say a lot about the management team in place. And the same will hold if he flops, we will know then that the management team has a clue. Sorry for being so skeptical but as a Browns fan it comes honestly.
yes it does
If TR goes to Indy and has a real good season, we will know that he was mismanaged and will say a lot about the management team in place. And the same will hold if he flops, we will know then that the management team has a clue. Sorry for being so skeptical but as a Browns fan it comes honestly.
i don't know about that. last i saw they were having probs with their OL protecting luck and now their starting TE is out for the year. so they not only brought him in to run and catch (their RBs in the last 5 years catching and running one of the worse #'s in the league) but to pass protect.
when i first heard the news about TR going to the colts i thought he might be an automatic pro bowler....until i looked at what they have at OL.
still think he'll do better there than here just because irsay knows how to put together a contender better than any fool that has sat in the same chair here in cleveland in the past 13 years.
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dude that offensive coordinator now with the jets is going to beat you twice this year.
Dude, that offensive coordinator got fired, and is now the Oakland Raiders O-Line coach. That makes your projection highly unlikely.
But, yes, the Jets are the Jets. The Fins and the Jets always end up in stupid nail-biters, regardless of talent.
Dude, that offensive coordinator got fired, and is now the Oakland Raiders O-Line coach. That makes your projection highly unlikely.
But, yes, the Jets are the Jets. The Fins and the Jets always end up in stupid nail-biters, regardless of talent.
damn. i missed a whole year?
guess it's an after effect from drinking too much on sunday (ahem) and watching the browns play division 3 football.
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forget about 'tanking for teddy'. he will be in a jax uni this time next year
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^+1- Can I get a refund on my tickets, now that you've thrown in the towel? This says they really don't give two shits about this year, and as you say about the season ticket holders. - it's wait until the 2015 season- we're going to be REALLY good. F- you. I've been waiting since 1999 for you to be "Really good."
I've been waiting since '64..... pay your dues take out your tampon and man up .......let me know what you want for your tickets crybaby
I've been waiting since '64..... pay your dues take out your tampon and man up .......let me know what you want for your tickets crybaby
dude you are playing with the wrong person.
i'd love to break you down, but you've probably already been deleted from the board.
thank friggin god. what a dick.
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you are a dick. what brought you here in the first place, the chance to discuss Teddy Twatwater? the next 'big thing'? yeah, ok. hope you're still here when the team that drafts him waives him and he's down the block from you washing cars.
maybe you can drive your bentley down there and give him a nice tip.
douchebag.
What's your problem? This is a public forum and I've got every right to post here as you. What, you think you have some fucking right to be an asshole because of your fucking 5,000 posts? You can't handle someone having a different point of view than you? The only person that's a dick here is you, You disagree with me, that's fine. Have some fucking class and argue the points, don't toss out insults because your too fucking stupid to argue an idea.
What's your problem? This is a public forum and I've got every right to post here as you. What, you think you have some fucking right to be an asshole because of your fucking 5,000 posts? You can't handle someone having a different point of view than you? The only person that's a dick here is you, You disagree with me, that's fine. Have some fucking class and argue the points, don't toss out insults because your too fucking stupid to argue an idea.
maybe it's just me. but anyone coming on here and actually salivating over next year after just 2 weeks played this year pisses me off. and in my book makes them a fair weather fan.
what about this year? answer me that batman? we just bend over and take in the ass again in the 'hopes' that our FO might actually do something right?i hope they pick an OL a CB and WR with their first three picks just to see if you show up here again around draft time. then let's see who is bitching then.
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I agree, this is a brilliant move. Would I trade a horrible season this year for sustained winning seasons starting two years from now? Absolutely, and that's what the FO is going for here. The most important thing for a successful football team is QB, OL, Pass Rush. They've nailed down pass rush with Mingo, Kreuger, and the rest of the front 7. They have all the OL components except for RG. Now they need QB. With 10 picks in a very talented upcoming draft class, they will be able to address QB, RG, WR, and CB all with third-round or earlier picks.
Most importantly, they are trying to keep the core talent pool of the team under 30. That means that by the time picks from last year and the 2014 draft start producing, we'll still have production from the components of the team that are productive today.
Let me tell you, if I could find a Joe Banner Browns Jersey, I'd buy it.
you are a dick. what brought you here in the first place, the chance to discuss Teddy Twatwater? the next 'big thing'? yeah, ok. hope you're still here when the team that drafts him waives him and he's down the block from you washing cars.
maybe you can drive your bentley down there and give him a nice tip.
douchebag.
I fail to see how its going to make us better for the future, everything now hangs on draft picks.
If the Browns would have gotten a few young players in the deal along with the trade, then I could see it. Hell, if they take the draft pick they just got from the Colts and trade it for a proven QB that they like, I'd feel better.
They had a full offseason to make the team better and mold them to what they wanted. They drafted a CB that can't get on the field even with Buster Skrine and Adams ahead of him and a Safety they wavied, a back up QB they signed and won't even let play, etc..
All I see now is giving up a starting running back for a late first round pick, that they will probably package together with the other 1st rounder this year to move up from three to one and pick a QB that might work out. Then he won't have anybody to throw to or a line to block for either, so whats the point?
I understand they pulled a high draft pick out of a guy they couldn't use at the moment and I'd love to see the brighter side of this, but I just don't have faith in their drafting...
^+100!
who has any faith in this FO with what they have done so far?
i hope banner and lombardi have finally started taking drugs cuz what they've done in their collective years in these positions has been shit and the only good draft pick last year was mingo.
and for those that preach WR, who has time to get open when yoiur new 'franchise' QB is sitting on his ass? just ask tim couch who had all the tools to be a great QB (didn't he play for the same school bridgewater plays for.....hmmmm?) but got so busted up because of no protection that they dedicated the 20 yard line to him because that is where his shoulder is permanently buried (right next to jimmy hoffa).
you build a team from the middle out and the middle back just like in baseball, it's not rocket science. it's about the lines. who up front dominates the other team. look at the contenders this year and the winners of the past. i'll guarantee you they all had awesome lines on both sides of the ball. yeah it's great to have a flashy read option QB until the sunday when terrell suggs comes in from the end and wraps their legs behind their back like a pretzel. ask joe theisman.
thomas is no spring chicken and mack has played what 5 years already? you have to take advantage of the stars on your team (thomas, mack and haden) and compliment those around them. lauvao is a walking shoe boot every year. fuck him. if we don't fix the right side of the line, i don't care if you've got joe montana and jerry rice on the team, you're still going to lose.
you are a dick. what brought you here in the first place, the chance to discuss Teddy Twatwater? the next 'big thing'? yeah, ok. hope you're still here when the team that drafts him waives him and he's down the block from you washing cars.
maybe you can drive your bentley down there and give him a nice tip.
douchebag.
^+100!
who has any faith in this FO with what they have done so far?
i hope banner and lombardi have finally started taking drugs cuz what they've done in their collective years in these positions has been shit and the only good draft pick last year was mingo.
and for those that preach WR, who has time to get open when yoiur new 'franchise' QB is sitting on his ass? just ask tim couch who had all the tools to be a great QB (didn't he play for the same school bridgewater plays for.....hmmmm?) but got so busted up because of no protection that they dedicated the 20 yard line to him because that is where his shoulder is permanently buried (right next to jimmy hoffa).
you build a team from the middle out and the middle back just like in baseball, it's not rocket science. it's about the lines. who up front dominates the other team. look at the contenders this year and the winners of the past. i'll guarantee you they all had awesome lines on both sides of the ball. yeah it's great to have a flashy read option QB until the sunday when terrell suggs comes in from the end and wraps their legs behind their back like a pretzel. ask joe theisman.
thomas is no spring chicken and mack has played what 5 years already? you have to take advantage of the stars on your team (thomas, mack and haden) and compliment those around them. lauvao is a walking shoe boot every year. fuck him. if we don't fix the right side of the line, i don't care if you've got joe montana and jerry rice on the team, you're still going to lose.
You nailed it. We have to fix up the O line. We won't be able to pass or run with the way they've been playing lately.
I feel bad for Thomas and soon Mack. Their talents have gone to waste here. I don't have much faith in Lombanner's drafts, but this latest move has earned my respect. They actaully got some brass and decided to make a change.
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