TRICH traded to colts
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Thanks, mik... and I yours. But just as I can get irrational about certain topics, so too can you.
I was shocked when I saw the news of the trade, but after about five seconds I got better.
Week 1 TR missed 5 holes and failed to pick up 2 blitzes.
I spent some time this afternoon breaking down the Ravens' game. Through the 1st quarter I already saw three holes TR missed.
That is not a #1 pick's performance. The FO knows it. I think Indy is about to find it out.
We'll know before too long who is right....
Thanks, mik... and I yours. But just as I can get irrational about certain topics, so too can you.
I was shocked when I saw the news of the trade, but after about five seconds I got better.
Week 1 TR missed 5 holes and failed to pick up 2 blitzes.
I spent some time this afternoon breaking down the Ravens' game. Through the 1st quarter I already saw three holes TR missed.
That is not a #1 pick's performance. The FO knows it. I think Indy is about to find it out.
We'll know before too long who is right....
thanks. i don't want to seem like i'm pissy about this trade. it's not the trade. it's the way it went down and the lack of value we got back in return just to realize that we have to trust in joe banner and mike lombardi to make this a winner deal for us.
if i was a betting man i'd put my money on black. meaning that's what their faces will look like when they are shown the door (like in the cartoons when a car backfires or a cigar blows up in a guy's face).
didn't we just do this same dance 2 years ago? when will it end?
(never) in our lifetime. bet?
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Okay, here's the video that was in the OPost.
Uhm. I'm with ya Z.
I think Chud lost the team with what they've done. but maybe. just maybe they come out(the loyal players) and play like their hair is on fire!! and win it for the fans.
Either way. I'll watch. and drink a lot.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
27 pages later ... We dropped Trent for a first round pick and picked up McGahee.
I'm really not sure it will effect our 2013 season that much.
These guys are going to draft their guys next year. That'sall. The end.
Z
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Okay, here's the video that was in the OPost.
Uhm. I'm with ya Z.
I think Chud lost the team with what they've done. but maybe. just maybe they come out(the loyal players) and play like their hair is on fire!! and win it for the fans.
Either way. I'll watch. and drink a lot.
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After finding that Blocking analysis I linked, I want to see how McGahee does.
Hate to say it, but with Gordon, Luavao, and Rubin back and Hoyer at QB, I'm starting to think we win this Sunday.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE FUCKING HILARIOUS! (well maybe....ponder>hoyer or hoyer>ponder? that is the ? that will be answered this sunday). my concern is that everyone in the locker room after hearing the news has just given up and are basically gonna fist fuck banner and lombardi the rest of the season.
and dickbone why do you still have to pound the kid? i hope he goes on to become a probowler and rushe for over 1k a year, that way all you fat fucking holmgren lovers who now turned on him can go spin around in circles cuz you don't know which way is up.
hopefully things work out for the browns. but like i said in another thread: betting on banner and lombardi is like betting on the crippled 3 legged longshot at the kentucky derby.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE FUCKING HILARIOUS! (well maybe....ponder>hoyer or hoyer>ponder? that is the ? that will be answered this sunday). my concern is that everyone in the locker room after hearing the news has just given up and are basically gonna fist fuck banner and lombardi the rest of the season.
and dickbone why do you still have to pound the kid? i hope he goes on to become a probowler and rushe for over 1k a year, that way all you fat fucking holmgren lovers who now turned on him can go spin around in circles cuz you don't know which way is up.
hopefully things work out for the browns. but like i said in another thread: betting on banner and lombardi is like betting on the crippled 3 legged longshot at the kentucky derby.
Hey, I'm glad to at least give you some amusements and a few laughs . . . as a fellow Browns fan we sure need all the laughs we can get.
Why do I keep pounding the kid (Trent) ?
I'm not pounding him.
I think he is a phenomenal athlete - he just hasn't developed his (NFL level) vision yet.
I like Trent, I hope he does well (just not against us).
I've always been worried about his durability (Pins in Ankles, Knee Surgeries, etc.), but that's a different issue and has nothing to do with his abilites.
McGahee is a seasoned veteran.
He doesn't really have much of an NFL future at his age/condition, but at his level of experience I would think he has developed pretty good "vision" or at least a good "feel" - kind of like an experienced QB "feeling" impending pressure.
Hoyer, what I've seen of him, for one doesn't seem to stare down Recievers as much as Weeden, and appears to go through his progressions.
I think he's probably more mobile than Weeden, doesn't have the arm, but may be a bit quicker thinking.
Still haven't totally given up on Weeden yet, I've seen progress, just don't know if there's going to be enough for what we need.
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I also believe they never planned to let Weeden start this year. The plan was to let Hoyer start all along. Two things can happen. Hoyer plays good and they decide they dont need to draft a franchise qb next year. Which makes the TRich trade pointless, or Hoyer is bad and they have to backtrack and name Weeden the starter again.
see, that's my next question.
it's been all over espn that weeden's thumb injury is nothing more than a bruise, so what happens next sunday (TAILGATE BLOWOUT!!) vs. the bengals at home?
if THEY don't give weeden the nod then we know he's gone, which goes against everything banner said yesterday quote "who's to know we don't have our franchise QB on our roster now?" which sounded to me like he was going to give every chance to weeden to prove himself this year. i mean if hoyer can't beat out campbell or weeden then why start him for the rest of the year?
in which there is a simple answer. if we don't see weeden start vs. the bengals then you know the FO has him on the chopping block. plain and simple.
this is almost unprecedented in NFL history (gipper?) that the purging of a previous FO system and picks will have been traded, dumped and fucked within the first quarter of an NFL season.
either they really 'think' they know what they're doing (lordy pleez) or they will come out looking like holmgren just shat his krispy kremes all over their faces with that brown fudge feces.
it's tricky. it's tricky tricky tricky.
if THEY don't give weeden the nod then we know he's gone, which goes against everything banner said yesterday quote "who's to know we don't have our franchise QB on our roster now?" which sounded to me like he was going to give every chance to weeden to prove himself this year.
don't think he is the qb Mik. all that is a lame attempt to not tip his hand come draft time.
but with weeds something just don't click with him. how can you tear it up in the preseason and then look foolish the next week. Yes I know the line is a sieve and the WR are laying down and not trying to make a play. But he either gets tunnel vision at the snap or just nervous that he is going to make a mistake. All stuff that he can get over with coaching and time.. but its the NFL and time is a precious commodity.
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Thanks, mik... and I yours. But just as I can get irrational about certain topics, so too can you.
I was shocked when I saw the news of the trade, but after about five seconds I got better.
Week 1 TR missed 5 holes and failed to pick up 2 blitzes.
I spent some time this afternoon breaking down the Ravens' game. Through the 1st quarter I already saw three holes TR missed.
That is not a #1 pick's performance. The FO knows it. I think Indy is about to find it out.
We'll know before too long who is right....
Thanks, mik... and I yours. But just as I can get irrational about certain topics, so too can you.
NOOOO ! ! ! Say it ain't so ! ! !
I was shocked when I saw the news of the trade, but after about five seconds I got better.
Week 1 TR missed 5 holes and failed to pick up 2 blitzes.
I spent some time this afternoon breaking down the Ravens' game. Through the 1st quarter I already saw three holes TR missed.
That is not a #1 pick's performance. The FO knows it. I think Indy is about to find it out.
We'll know before too long who is right....
Thank you.
I was wondering if it was still happening this year.
I think physically, Trent can be dominating, he just needs to work on seeing those holes.
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if THEY don't give weeden the nod then we know he's gone, which goes against everything banner said yesterday quote "who's to know we don't have our franchise QB on our roster now?" which sounded to me like he was going to give every chance to weeden to prove himself this year.
don't think he is the qb Mik. all that is a lame attempt to not tip his hand come draft time.
but with weeds something just don't click with him. how can you tear it up in the preseason and then look foolish the next week. Yes I know the line is a sieve and the WR are laying down and not trying to make a play. But he either gets tunnel vision at the snap or just nervous that he is going to make a mistake. All stuff that he can get over with coaching and time.. but its the NFL and time is a precious commodity.
don't think he is the qb Mik. all that is a lame attempt to not tip his hand come draft time.
but with weeds something just don't click with him. how can you tear it up in the preseason and then look foolish the next week. Yes I know the line is a sieve and the WR are laying down and not trying to make a play. But he either gets tunnel vision at the snap or just nervous that he is going to make a mistake. All stuff that he can get over with coaching and time.. but its the NFL and time is a precious commodity.
oh i totally agree. i think the guy is plain 'slow'.
i was just hoping that he might 'see the light' and become the player 'somone' saw in him for us to trade up for him, so as not to go through 8 months of threads from the queens:
'tanking for teddy', loving me some johnny football'...........
blaaarff!! a guaranteed no win for us.
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Willis mcgahee said the browns contacted him on Monday two days before the trade. That means the front office watched that putrid excuse for a game on Sunday and trents half assed performance and said
"Screw this guy, get me mcgahee". Can't blame them one bit either.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I have been saying forever that people of Cleveland go Support the Tribe because they are trying to make the playoffs and all I do is get ripped. Love this guy I have been saying this BEFORE THE PRE-SEASON. All well GO TRIBE.
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Willis mcgahee said the browns contacted him on Monday two days before the trade. That means the front office watched that putrid excuse for a game on Sunday and trents half assed performance and said
"Screw this guy, get me mcgahee". Can't blame them one bit either.
Willis mcgahee said the browns contacted him on Monday two days before the trade. That means the front office watched that putrid excuse for a game on Sunday and trents half assed performance and said
"Screw this guy, get me mcgahee". Can't blame them one bit either.
I wonder who (else) they were thinking of cutting/trading in case the Trent trade never came up or was approved?
Things get more interesting all the time.
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I also believe they never planned to let Weeden start this year. The plan was to let Hoyer start all along. Two things can happen. Hoyer plays good and they decide they dont need to draft a franchise qb next year. Which makes the TRich trade pointless, or Hoyer is bad and they have to backtrack and name Weeden the starter again.
I also believe they never planned to let Weeden start this year. The plan was to let Hoyer start all along. Two things can happen. Hoyer plays good and they decide they dont need to draft a franchise qb next year. Which makes the TRich trade pointless, or Hoyer is bad and they have to backtrack and name Weeden the starter again.
No, it doesn't make the trade pointless. If Hoyer works out it makes the trade pretty good. We have a boatload of picks to fill some holes.
As with others....I think Trent was a nice back, but I didn't view him as a special back. He is the kind of guy you have to invest in and let him run the ball 25 times a game to get his 120 yards.
We are obviously looking to be a different team.
Three or four years ago I said spread option QBs would be the future of the NFL and people laughed, but all I was doing was looking at trends in the high schools and colleges.
Shannahan sort of proved that RB is a throw away position when he kept plugging in 1000 yard rusher after 1000 yard rusher. It's
turning in to sign a guy to a rookie contract, let it expire, and bring in the next guy. Every now and again you have a "special" runner....but IMO the running back records on the books are probably going to survive a while because runningbacks turn over every 3-4-5 years.
Things change. Homie didn't believe it would. It did.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Thanks, mik... and I yours. But just as I can get irrational about certain topics, so too can you.
I was shocked when I saw the news of the trade, but after about five seconds I got better.
Week 1 TR missed 5 holes and failed to pick up 2 blitzes.
I spent some time this afternoon breaking down the Ravens' game. Through the 1st quarter I already saw three holes TR missed.
That is not a #1 pick's performance. The FO knows it. I think Indy is about to find it out.
We'll know before too long who is right....
thanks. i don't want to seem like i'm pissy about this trade. it's not the trade. it's the way it went down and the lack of value we got back in return just to realize that we have to trust in joe banner and mike lombardi to make this a winner deal for us.
if i was a betting man i'd put my money on black. meaning that's what their faces will look like when they are shown the door (like in the cartoons when a car backfires or a cigar blows up in a guy's face).
didn't we just do this same dance 2 years ago? when will it end?
(never) in our lifetime. bet?
thanks. i don't want to seem like i'm pissy about this trade. it's not the trade. it's the way it went down and the lack of value we got back in return just to realize that we have to trust in joe banner and mike lombardi to make this a winner deal for us.
didn't we just do this same dance 2 years ago? when will it end? (never) in our lifetime. bet?
Sure... if you're right, I'll buy us beers... If I'm right, you buy...
Win - WIn... Except that if I'm right we're celebrating and if you are we're crying in them...
Getting less than we spent on TR was inevitable given his performance (86.7 total ypg). Had he averaged 150 all-purpose per game we'd have never traded him.
I'm in the camp looking at this glass as being half-full. I'm genuinely pleased we got a 1st rounder. Had Indy not been a team in need and had it not been such a "sacrifice" for us to part with our healthiest of 3 RBs, I don't think we could have done any better at any other time.
I also believe it is possible that the Indy pick will be much earlier than their #24 pick in 2012. They barely beat Oakland in week one.
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Don't cry, poeticg.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Everyone keeps saying that RBs are a dime a dozen.
Then how come we don't have one? We don't have a dime?
We don't have one NFL carry on our tailback depth chart and we play a league game in three days.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Everyone keeps saying that RBs are a dime a dozen.
Then how come we don't have one? We don't have a dime?
We don't have one NFL carry on our tailback depth chart and we play a league game in three days.
Zombo
Because our line isn't getting it done right now. Ghoolie and Rich say linemen are a dime a dozen and bring in skill players. I am all about the beef. I say if you have linemen who can dominate, even you or I could gain a few yards. A young stud who knows what he is doing can gain a bunch.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
I also believe they never planned to let Weeden start this year. The plan was to let Hoyer start all along. Two things can happen. Hoyer plays good and they decide they dont need to draft a franchise qb next year. Which makes the TRich trade pointless, or Hoyer is bad and they have to backtrack and name Weeden the starter again.
No, it doesn't make the trade pointless. If Hoyer works out it makes the trade pretty good. We have a boatload of picks to fill some holes.
As with others....I think Trent was a nice back, but I didn't view him as a special back. He is the kind of guy you have to invest in and let him run the ball 25 times a game to get his 120 yards.
We are obviously looking to be a different team.
Three or four years ago I said spread option QBs would be the future of the NFL and people laughed, but all I was doing was looking at trends in the high schools and colleges.
Shannahan sort of proved that RB is a throw away position when he kept plugging in 1000 yard rusher after 1000 yard rusher. It's
turning in to sign a guy to a rookie contract, let it expire, and bring in the next guy. Every now and again you have a "special" runner....but IMO the running back records on the books are probably going to survive a while because runningbacks turn over every 3-4-5 years.
Things change. Homie didn't believe it would. It did.
No, it doesn't make the trade pointless. If Hoyer works out it makes the trade pretty good. We have a boatload of picks to fill some holes.
As with others....I think Trent was a nice back, but I didn't view him as a special back. He is the kind of guy you have to invest in and let him run the ball 25 times a game to get his 120 yards.
We are obviously looking to be a different team.
Three or four years ago I said spread option QBs would be the future of the NFL and people laughed, but all I was doing was looking at trends in the high schools and colleges.
Shannahan sort of proved that RB is a throw away position when he kept plugging in 1000 yard rusher after 1000 yard rusher. It's
turning in to sign a guy to a rookie contract, let it expire, and bring in the next guy. Every now and again you have a "special" runner....but IMO the running back records on the books are probably going to survive a while because runningbacks turn over every 3-4-5 years.
Things change. Homie didn't believe it would. It did.
ball it wasn't just shanahan, every winning coach knows you can find a RB anywhere, be it the big strong bullworker or the zippy dancer/cutter.
where you threw me is with the read option. ask RG3 how that's working out for him or chip kelly last night.
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1 - Different Owner
2- Different FO and Scouting department
3 - I like Trent, but . . .
4- I'm not crazy about Lombardi being here.
5- Banner, may be better than I or others care to admit.
There are more decision makers than just these two, though I would venture that Banner essentially rules.
Wait and watch, or bail?
Seriously.
Are you really going to bail on your Team at this point?
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