TRICH traded to colts
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Some people on here are straight homers for the Browns. They refuse to see anything negative about the organization at all. Banner and Lombardi arent going to build a winner. They had this offseason to build something. Chud is suppose to be an offensive minded coach yet the offense is the same it has been the past how many seasons. They knew that Gordon was suspended for 2 gms and they didnt get any sort of wr help. You have Benjamin they dont utilize him at all. Hes fast and good in space. Yet no wr screens no attempt to get him the ball and let him run. The oline was suspect and they didnt bring anyone in to help. Weeden got abused for 2 gms and hes taking the blame. Banner said the franchise qb might be on the team already. He was refering to Hoyer the guy who is on his 4th team in 5 years. We know Lombardi likes him guess Banner does to. So basically he admitted the Richardson trade wasnt about getting a qb. D'qwell and Thomas are upset about the trade of course theyre not going to trash the team publicly. NFL radio had a 1 hr segment about the trade and how the Browns players dont like Banner and Lombardi and how Browns are a mess of an organization. Banner threw Chud under the bus by saying he was on board so now the players cant go to him about it. At least he could of smoothed it over by saying it was the fo guys who did it. Thsi didnt start with the Richardson trade. It started last yr when Banner was hired. Patterson was familar with him and players turned to him to find out what Banner was like. He told them he was a snake and dont trust him. Richardson was complaining about the game planning and bam now hes gone like Patterson. And they cant take credit for the defense. Most of the players were from before they were there. So tell me in one offseason what have they done? How many starters did they draft?
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what the hell else would you expect them to say? "we drafted TRich because he has durability issues and lacks intensity."
It's over Popo, fuggetaboutit
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Cleveland at Minnesota: Trent Richardson became the first person in history to seem sad about leaving Cleveland. Here’s how people usually react when told they’re leaving Cleveland: Vikings 23, Browns 6.
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Sadly there is a difference between a spirited debate and talking with an upset homer.
I've yet to hear anyone make a compelling argument as to why trading Richardson was a bad thing. And I can't really see anyone complaining about it besides Poetic so far. But the posts may be there in the flurry of nonsense going on.
Personally I think his inability to make big runs and hit the hole quickly were blatantly obvious last season. I was screaming we should have been starting Hardesty...his only healthy season wasted while we trot out an injured T Rich every week. I welcome the change at the position, but I'm kind of bummed Lewis is injured.
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Some people on here are straight homers for the Browns. They refuse to see anything negative about the organization at all. Banner and Lombardi arent going to build a winner. They had this offseason to build something. Chud is suppose to be an offensive minded coach yet the offense is the same it has been the past how many seasons. They knew that Gordon was suspended for 2 gms and they didnt get any sort of wr help. You have Benjamin they dont utilize him at all. Hes fast and good in space. Yet no wr screens no attempt to get him the ball and let him run. The oline was suspect and they didnt bring anyone in to help. Weeden got abused for 2 gms and hes taking the blame. Banner said the franchise qb might be on the team already. He was refering to Hoyer the guy who is on his 4th team in 5 years. We know Lombardi likes him guess Banner does to. So basically he admitted the Richardson trade wasnt about getting a qb. D'qwell and Thomas are upset about the trade of course theyre not going to trash the team publicly. NFL radio had a 1 hr segment about the trade and how the Browns players dont like Banner and Lombardi and how Browns are a mess of an organization. Banner threw Chud under the bus by saying he was on board so now the players cant go to him about it. At least he could of smoothed it over by saying it was the fo guys who did it. Thsi didnt start with the Richardson trade. It started last yr when Banner was hired. Patterson was familar with him and players turned to him to find out what Banner was like. He told them he was a snake and dont trust him. Richardson was complaining about the game planning and bam now hes gone like Patterson. And they cant take credit for the defense. Most of the players were from before they were there. So tell me in one offseason what have they done? How many starters did they draft?
Some people on here are straight homers for the Browns. They refuse to see anything negative about the organization at all. Banner and Lombardi arent going to build a winner. They had this offseason to build something. Chud is suppose to be an offensive minded coach yet the offense is the same it has been the past how many seasons. They knew that Gordon was suspended for 2 gms and they didnt get any sort of wr help. You have Benjamin they dont utilize him at all. Hes fast and good in space. Yet no wr screens no attempt to get him the ball and let him run. The oline was suspect and they didnt bring anyone in to help. Weeden got abused for 2 gms and hes taking the blame. Banner said the franchise qb might be on the team already. He was refering to Hoyer the guy who is on his 4th team in 5 years. We know Lombardi likes him guess Banner does to. So basically he admitted the Richardson trade wasnt about getting a qb. D'qwell and Thomas are upset about the trade of course theyre not going to trash the team publicly. NFL radio had a 1 hr segment about the trade and how the Browns players dont like Banner and Lombardi and how Browns are a mess of an organization. Banner threw Chud under the bus by saying he was on board so now the players cant go to him about it. At least he could of smoothed it over by saying it was the fo guys who did it. Thsi didnt start with the Richardson trade. It started last yr when Banner was hired. Patterson was familar with him and players turned to him to find out what Banner was like. He told them he was a snake and dont trust him. Richardson was complaining about the game planning and bam now hes gone like Patterson. And they cant take credit for the defense. Most of the players were from before they were there. So tell me in one offseason what have they done? How many starters did they draft?
Have you watched the Browns play this year? Benjamin can't catch and is worthless as a receiver because the DB's just push him down at the LoS. He needs to be returning kicks. If he gets hurt, too bad.
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My point is that were a QB away from competing. Not a CB away. Not a OL away.
Yes, we do need a #2 corner. Yes we probably need at least one guard. Yes we need a #2 WR. But first and foremost we need a QB.
A good QB and we win 8 games.
We haven't had the nutsack to go out and get a good one in 10 years. We keep settling for mediocre ones and that's proven to be completely ineffective.
you don't think the jury is still out on weeden? i mean we did use a number one pick for him. he looked really good in some of the preseason games and had moments in the first 2 where people actually thought that hey he's starting to get it.
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do we trade him away too?
just asking.
you don't think the jury is still out on weeden? i mean we did use a number one pick for him. he looked really good in some of the preseason games and had moments in the first 2 where people actually thought that hey he's starting to get it.
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do we trade him away too?
just asking.
I like Weeden a lot. I like his skill set and his personality. But I don't think the FA is sold on him and that's what ultimately matters.
Lombardi and Banner have big egos. They've shown that they want to erase any memory of the old regime and install their players. On Sunday, there will be 3 players drafted by Heckert starting on the offensive side of the ball, as opposed to the 10 offensive starters that were in this roster day one.
The thing I don't get is...our defense is filled with Heckert draft picks as well (Haden, Ward, Skrine, Taylor, Sheard, Winn), and the defense is looking really good. What's with the offense?
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Exactly my point on Benjamin you have to get him the ball in space and let him make plays. Line him up in the backfield, reverses. The offense has veen bad for years yet this F.O. did nothing to address it in the offseason. Thus to me they have no credibilty. If Trich goes off this year will all of you still be apologists for this front office? These were bad hires by Haslem. He should have brought in someone to help him hire a CEO and GM.
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Everyone is so quick to glorify the hard-nosed, tough AFC North teams.what a bunch of dopes browns fans have become, let alone the faggots that still brng up uni change.
i don't care if everyone and their mother is running the read option or spread your mother's legs offense. this is still the AFCN. you nee to be able to run the ball when the winds off lake erie are whipping around 30 mph and the sleet is coming in horizontally.
what a bunch of pussies. we should be punching people in their chin yet everyone wants to dance the tango. sure you need a strong armed QB who isn't dumb and doesn't stare down his receivers and can take a hit and can read defenses (that's why this trade will be a bust cuz there is no QB out there right now like that).
OL!OL!RB!OL!CB!CB!S!S!WR!WR! get those players and shep (in pink tights) could play QB in this league.
"This is the AFC North, brother. Where men are men and eat steel sandwiches and shit brick buildings. We play in 70 MPH swirling winds off Lake Erie and battle through 10 ft. Deep snow storms. Passing the ball is for pussies and we'll show the league with our hard nosed, run between the tackles team and bruising RB's."
The 12 postseason QB's of 2012 ranked the following in QB rating during the regular season: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 10th,13th, 14th,22nd and 26th.
The first 4 QBs out were the ones ranked 26th, 22nd, 14th, and 3rd. And the 3rd ranked QB (Rg3) was eliminated by the 4th ranked QB (Wilson).
8 of the top 10 QB's made the postseason.
3 of the top 15 QBs are AFC North QB's. The other AFC North QB...29th.
I have about 15 counter points to your stupid argument and I'm drunk and operating on 1 hour of sleep on 72 hours of work.
I know you wish that this was the AFC North of old, where guys could leave their blue collar jobs and walk to the stadium with their lunch pails and watch a tough nosed RB grind out 100 hard fought yards and beat the opposing team 14-7. But it's not. Nowadays, if you score 14 points in the NFL...you more than likely are going to lose by 10.
Trent Richardson led us to 5 wins. That's it. Those are the facts. Blame OL all you want but we have two first rounders, a second rounder and a third rounder on our line...which is a lot more invested that other teams are.
We have a lot of holes, but until we get a franchise QB we will never win. Those are the facts. You can either choose to be an adult and accept it or bitch about trivial matters and think you're right when you're not.
The right QB changes everything.
I know you're going to say, but we've had 17 QBs and no one did anything...so it must be something else.
Look at the QB's we've had. Which one has gone on to have a career anywhere else? Outside of Tim Couch, when was the last time we even attempted to draft a franchise QB? Weeden? He was a late 1st round flyer who would have slipped to the second (or third). McCoy? He was a mid round project QB. Quinn? He was projected a top 10 pick and fell to 22 after concerns about a lack of an NFL caliber arm and unprofessional attitude.
We just kind of take a questionable pick and then go "Well, we'll take whatever QB is on the board with our next pick."
Couch was the only time in recent history we've taken a franchise QB and he was fucked from jump street.
EDIT: and we're getting new uni's next year
Couch and I agree 100%. Those hard-nosed cold weather teams in Green Bay, New York, and New England seem to be pretty pass oriented, right? The Steelers have sucked ass at running the ball for a very long time, have been Ben's team for about 7 years, since Bettis, basically. And we know who the highest paid Raven is, and rightfully so. He carried them through the playoffs.
The Bengals got great value out of their new back (round 2?) Bernard... but let's get real: They're a pass first team, too. A.J., couple elite TEs, etc.
This notion that "you have to run to win" is just wrong. It's simply not true. There are BAD running teams winning championships (average rank of 10 Super Bowl participants before last year was 23rd with four 30th or lower). Running the ball well is NOT a commonality of winning teams. Having the best quarterbacks IS.
Some people just need to catch up. This new regime gets it: The 2011 trade (Julio Jones for Weeden, Little, and Taylor) looks worse and worse by the day. The 2012 draft is a disaster of epic proportions. Heckert sucked ass. The architecture of today's team is first, second and third, get a great quarterback. And then rush the passer. That is all.
Everyone is so quick to glorify the hard-nosed, tough AFC North teams.
"This is the AFC North, brother. Where men are men and eat steel sandwiches and shit brick buildings. We play in 70 MPH swirling winds off Lake Erie and battle through 10 ft. Deep snow storms. Passing the ball is for pussies and we'll show the league with our hard nosed, run between the tackles team and bruising RB's."
The 12 postseason QB's of 2012 ranked the following in QB rating during the regular season: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 10th,13th, 14th,22nd and 26th.
The first 4 QBs out were the ones ranked 26th, 22nd, 14th, and 3rd. And the 3rd ranked QB (Rg3) was eliminated by the 4th ranked QB (Wilson).
8 of the top 10 QB's made the postseason.
3 of the top 15 QBs are AFC North QB's. The other AFC North QB...29th.
I have about 15 counter points to your stupid argument and I'm drunk and operating on 1 hour of sleep on 72 hours of work.
I know you wish that this was the AFC North of old, where guys could leave their blue collar jobs and walk to the stadium with their lunch pails and watch a tough nosed RB grind out 100 hard fought yards and beat the opposing team 14-7. But it's not. Nowadays, if you score 14 points in the NFL...you more than likely are going to lose by 10.
Trent Richardson led us to 5 wins. That's it. Those are the facts. Blame OL all you want but we have two first rounders, a second rounder and a third rounder on our line...which is a lot more invested that other teams are.
We have a lot of holes, but until we get a franchise QB we will never win. Those are the facts. You can either choose to be an adult and accept it or bitch about trivial matters and think you're right when you're not.
The right QB changes everything.
I know you're going to say, but we've had 17 QBs and no one did anything...so it must be something else.
Look at the QB's we've had. Which one has gone on to have a career anywhere else? Outside of Tim Couch, when was the last time we even attempted to draft a franchise QB? Weeden? He was a late 1st round flyer who would have slipped to the second (or third). McCoy? He was a mid round project QB. Quinn? He was projected a top 10 pick and fell to 22 after concerns about a lack of an NFL caliber arm and unprofessional attitude.
We just kind of take a questionable pick and then go "Well, we'll take whatever QB is on the board with our next pick."
Couch was the only time in recent history we've taken a franchise QB and he was fucked from jump street.
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Not drafting Tannehill at #4 is going to be added to Holmgren/Heckert's horrific resume, too. Choosing NOT to get Julio Jones, Tannehill, and Doug Martin? Uh, that's the definition of "unemployed."
So shut up, Holmgren. Your personnel acumen is beyond dreadful. Didn't you trade for Charlie Frye?
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Best endorsement of the trade ever is Holmgren dissing it. Seriously. He traded for Charlie Frye. He got on the table for Colt McCoy. He signed Jake Delhomme. He was part of trading Julio Jones basically straight up for a NT (since Weeden and Little haven't added any value). He passed on Tannehill to trade up and take a RB... AT NUMBER THREE... IN 2012!!!!!
That means you suck at personnel, which was always the ding on Holmgren. Lombardi thinking all of that sounds Retarded? Well, guys, he's right. Banner and Lombardi getting a first round pick for Richardson was amazing. Getting upgraded draft picks in 2014 (5 for 4, 4 for 3) in a much better draft? Stop it. That's amazing. Being willing to cut guys like Kellen Davis, guys they signed? Ballsy.
I like everything they've done. Well, I might've drafted E.J. Manuel, but I ain't complaining about Mingo. Great pick. They got talked into giving Weeden and chance and he looked exactly the same. They knew they couldn't win shit with him so it's about gearing up to seriously make a difference come offseason and draft.
Nothing there to knock.
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Some people on here are straight homers for the Browns. They refuse to see anything negative about the organization at all. Banner and Lombardi arent going to build a winner. They had this offseason to build something. Chud is suppose to be an offensive minded coach yet the offense is the same it has been the past how many seasons. They knew that Gordon was suspended for 2 gms and they didnt get any sort of wr help. You have Benjamin they dont utilize him at all. Hes fast and good in space. Yet no wr screens no attempt to get him the ball and let him run. The oline was suspect and they didnt bring anyone in to help. Weeden got abused for 2 gms and hes taking the blame. Banner said the franchise qb might be on the team already. He was refering to Hoyer the guy who is on his 4th team in 5 years. We know Lombardi likes him guess Banner does to. So basically he admitted the Richardson trade wasnt about getting a qb. D'qwell and Thomas are upset about the trade of course theyre not going to trash the team publicly. NFL radio had a 1 hr segment about the trade and how the Browns players dont like Banner and Lombardi and how Browns are a mess of an organization. Banner threw Chud under the bus by saying he was on board so now the players cant go to him about it. At least he could of smoothed it over by saying it was the fo guys who did it. Thsi didnt start with the Richardson trade. It started last yr when Banner was hired. Patterson was familar with him and players turned to him to find out what Banner was like. He told them he was a snake and dont trust him. Richardson was complaining about the game planning and bam now hes gone like Patterson. And they cant take credit for the defense. Most of the players were from before they were there. So tell me in one offseason what have they done? How many starters did they draft?
Last time I am going to reply to one of your inane posts...
Some people on here are straight homers for the Browns. They refuse to see anything negative about the organization at all.
You're new here, right? Plenty of folks criticized the drafting of TR and Weeden when it was done. We disagree with you now...
I guess who the "homer" is is just a matter of timing....
Banner and Lombardi arent going to build a winner. They had this offseason to build something.
You gave them one whole year? Awesome...
Chud is suppose to be an offensive minded coach yet the offense is the same it has been the past how many seasons.
No... the offense is different. Results are the same (so far), but the offense is different.
Cases in point are the utilizaton of our budding stud of a TE, use of a pistol formation and increased use of a full-blown shotgun.
They knew that Gordon was suspended for 2 gms and they didnt get any sort of wr help. You have Benjamin they dont utilize him at all. Hes fast and good in space. Yet no wr screens no attempt to get him the ball and let him run.
You don't get quality "help" for 2 games... C'mon man...
They did sign Bess for the long run.
Benji now returns punts, which counts for something... and he's had some issues catching as well...
The oline was suspect and they didnt bring anyone in to help.
On paper the O-line was decent, but not deep. Injuries to 2 of your 3 best OG's tend to derail things.
Weeden got abused for 2 gms and hes taking the blame.
First, QB always does. Second, the offense has been taylored to Wheezy's "strengths", yet they are still difficult to see. Third, the staff stood behind him as starter from near day one, thru preseason and two regular season losses. Only when injured and unable to play was he replaced.
Banner said the franchise qb might be on the team already. He was refering to Hoyer the guy who is on his 4th team in 5 years. We know Lombardi likes him guess Banner does to. So basically he admitted the Richardson trade wasnt about getting a qb.
He may have been referring to Hoyer... Maybe Weeden... Maybe he's lying...
He's not going to tip his hand. If he did, you'd be on him for doing so...
And why not give Hoyer a shot. Of course Hoyer is liked; if he was not liked, he would not be here.
D'qwell and Thomas are upset about the trade of course theyre not going to trash the team publicly.
And yet you heard they were disgruntled "on the radio."
NFL radio had a 1 hr segment about the trade and how the Browns players dont like Banner and Lombardi and how Browns are a mess of an organization. Banner threw Chud under the bus by saying he was on board so now the players cant go to him about it. At least he could of smoothed it over by saying it was the fo guys who did it.
So your solution to a group of dusgruntled players would be to have your HC tell them "I'm pissed, too?" You clearly do not know shit about the psychology of organizations.
Thsi didnt start with the Richardson trade. It started last yr when Banner was hired. Patterson was familar with him and players turned to him to find out what Banner was like. He told them he was a snake and dont trust him.
LOL... I wonder why a the word of a player who has been with 5 teams in 10 years is golden in your book?
Richardson was complaining about the game planning and bam now hes gone like Patterson. And they cant take credit for the defense. Most of the players were from before they were there. So tell me in one offseason what have they done? How many starters did they draft?
Well... they moved us from an average 4-3 to a near stellar 3-4. Drafted a stud DE/OLB that suffered a bruised lung (should have sen that coming).
They did not have a second round pick as the prior FO used that one.
Traded their 3 and 4 (upgrading both in 2014) and did not pull any miracles in rounds 5 thru 7, where projects abound and starters are rare.
However, they signed Kruger (solid, veteran 3-4 OLB) and Des Bryant (solid 3-4 DE)...
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Exactly my point on Benjamin you have to get him the ball in space and let him make plays. Line him up in the backfield, reverses. The offense has veen bad for years yet this F.O. did nothing to address it in the offseason. Thus to me they have no credibilty. If Trich goes off this year will all of you still be apologists for this front office? These were bad hires by Haslem. He should have brought in someone to help him hire a CEO and GM.
Exactly my point on Benjamin you have to get him the ball in space and let him make plays. Line him up in the backfield, reverses. The offense has veen bad for years yet this F.O. did nothing to address it in the offseason. Thus to me they have no credibilty. If Trich goes off this year will all of you still be apologists for this front office? These were bad hires by Haslem. He should have brought in someone to help him hire a CEO and GM.
Your point is that we need to put him in the backfield, a clear sign that it's a passing play because he's obviously not going to be pass blocking. You're a wet biscuit Retard.
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Lets just make a thread where PG posts replies to himself about TR and end this drivel.
Lets just make a thread where PG posts replies to himself about TR and end this drivel.
Agree... and rig it to where only Formula 409lions and he can see it...
Mods? Doable?
She then asked what her daughters name is for the 11th time.
LMAO....
Sorry G, I'm done. If you post a stat from the Hall of Fame to be RB that proves he is elite, then I will engage, but posting random stuff is only helping my point. Just so you know how you come off to at least me, but probably many others, is like a teenage girl who just learned that The Wanted broke up.........It's time for you to build a bridge and get over it.
Yup... me, too...
Wait??? What?? The Wanted broke up?
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T-rich on astro-turf is a disaster waiting to manifest itself...
What's the over/under in quarters for turf toe? Does 11 sound good?
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I heard quite enough of Fajita for a lifetime. He's a rainbow loving sissypants that never did a thing in Cleveland while collecting a check. He's jealous that Trent was the face of the franchise.
... I honestly believe that Trent will find a way back to Cleveland someday. He knows a debt is owed to the fans here. He knows.
I'll bet the list of non-HOF RB's who averaged less than 4.0 ypc is longer...
I heard quite enough of Fajita for a lifetime. He's a rainbow loving sissypants that never did a thing in Cleveland while collecting a check. He's jealous that Trent was the face of the franchise.
Never did a thing? Was the brains that made the Rob Ryan D work, yet did not do a thing? Wow...
and if they totally screw the 2014 draft up there will unmitigated outrageous call for lopping off both their heads.
I'll be there as well, if it happens...
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Woof Woof!
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Benjamin weighs about 90 lbs. Line him up in the backfield? He is fast but he gets hit he is going down immediately. Glad TR is gone. Poor work ethic, bad attitude and way overrated.
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Norv Turner offense is based on long passes. Yet the online can't pass block so plays cant develop. Your facing constant pressure so where's the screens to the rb, te, or wr's? How about a draw play? My point with Benjamin is you move him around instead of playing out wide not being to get off the line. Look at Calvin Johnson he plays slot,x,y hes also lined up in the backfield. Get Benjamin on a lb create a mismatch. The Browns d has been decent for a few years, but they would lose games 13-6 because no offense. Its the same now. Their was a need at wr regardless if he was suspended or not. The Browns suffer from not having playmakers on offense. This offseason they didnt address it in the draft or fa. Who drafted that young TE? Not Banner so they dont get credit for that. They did nothing in first offseason. The team is still bad on offense. Yes after one year im discouraged by this front office. It doesnt take 3 years to build a winner is evident by a few teams every season. You traded the #3 pick for what will be a middle or late 1st rd pick. Roy Williams the wr got traded for a 1st, 3rd and 5th. Not impressed. Wasnt impressed with Holmgren either. Browns won 5 last year I expect an improvement over that. Also more picks are just that more picks. Doesnt mean they'll be good picks. I surely wouldnt trust Lombardi to make them. And Patterson being on multiple teams has nothing to do with his credibility. He made the remarks before he was released. Chud didnt have to say he was mad about the Richardson trade he could have simply said it was out of his hands. Also NFL network has access to players, personel for the Browns they have no reason to talk about it if their isnt something there. In only 2 games they have alienated the locker room. They are doomed to fail.
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