TRICH traded to colts
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Benjamin weighs about 90 lbs. Line him up in the backfield? He is fast but he gets hit he is going down immediately. Glad TR is gone. Poor work ethic, bad attitude and way overrated.
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Norv Turner offense is based on long passes. Yet the online can't pass block so plays cant develop. Your facing constant pressure so where's the screens to the rb, te, or wr's? How about a draw play? My point with Benjamin is you move him around instead of playing out wide not being to get off the line. Look at Calvin Johnson he plays slot,x,y hes also lined up in the backfield. Get Benjamin on a lb create a mismatch. The Browns d has been decent for a few years, but they would lose games 13-6 because no offense. Its the same now. Their was a need at wr regardless if he was suspended or not. The Browns suffer from not having playmakers on offense. This offseason they didnt address it in the draft or fa. Who drafted that young TE? Not Banner so they dont get credit for that. They did nothing in first offseason. The team is still bad on offense. Yes after one year im discouraged by this front office. It doesnt take 3 years to build a winner is evident by a few teams every season. You traded the #3 pick for what will be a middle or late 1st rd pick. Roy Williams the wr got traded for a 1st, 3rd and 5th. Not impressed. Wasnt impressed with Holmgren either. Browns won 5 last year I expect an improvement over that. Also more picks are just that more picks. Doesnt mean they'll be good picks. I surely wouldnt trust Lombardi to make them. And Patterson being on multiple teams has nothing to do with his credibility. He made the remarks before he was released. Chud didnt have to say he was mad about the Richardson trade he could have simply said it was out of his hands. Also NFL network has access to players, personel for the Browns they have no reason to talk about it if their isnt something there. In only 2 games they have alienated the locker room. They are doomed to fail.
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Professional athletes are paid big bucks to do what they are told. Alienate or not. Do your job or get the fuck out.
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Its really hard to say. We don't know where the Colts draft pick will be, for all we know it could be top 10. Especially if Luck goes down due to his lousy line. Or they could be in the superbowl. The quality of the player we can get right now for that pick is really variable.
I'm of the thought that running backs are a dime a dozen. So the browns are ahead by default...though sort of down since they drafted t rich in the first place. Give me a cheap 5th round scat back like Dion Lewis and I'm perfectly content.
I think the move helped ensure we will be able to snag a 1st round QB with our pick and then a WR or CB with that colts pick. Or package them up if its at all possible, to snag the top QB.
Its really hard to say. We don't know where the Colts draft pick will be, for all we know it could be top 10. Especially if Luck goes down due to his lousy line. Or they could be in the superbowl. The quality of the player we can get right now for that pick is really variable.
I'm of the thought that running backs are a dime a dozen. So the browns are ahead by default...though sort of down since they drafted t rich in the first place. Give me a cheap 5th round scat back like Dion Lewis and I'm perfectly content.
I think the move helped ensure we will be able to snag a 1st round QB with our pick and then a WR or CB with that colts pick. Or package them up if its at all possible, to snag the top QB.
Um..yes it's hard to say, because if it were easy to say there would be no need for a poll.
The browns get ripped off. Trich is a stud and will be awesome for the Colts.
The draft will be QB rich, and whichever QB the browns select will be the wrong guy...and if you think that the scenario I presented is outrageous, you as a browns fan are in extreme denial.
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We could have gotten:
2014
First Round Pick
Second Round Pick
Fourth Round Pick
2015
Second Round Pick
This is the Price to receive a franchise runningback.
We could have gotten:
2014
First Round Pick
Second Round Pick
Fourth Round Pick
2015
Second Round Pick
This is the Price to receive a franchise runningback.
You're out of your damn mind. the Chiefs got Alex Smith a franchise QUARTERBACK for a second round pick, and another conditional. The Saints landed Drew Brees- who happens to now have HOF credentials for a sack of seeds. BTW, in today's NFL quarterbacks have at least 5 times, if not 10 times the value of running backs.
Ricky Williams is the ONLY other RB that ever garnered a first round pick in exchange. EDIT= recent history. The Hershell Walker trade may go down as the most lopsided trade in the history of the NFL- it sent the Cowboys to multiple Super Bowls, and well, guess the rest- look it up if you have to. Most top RB trades are third round compensation- or even lower. It doesn't matter a damn thing where Richardson was drafted- if you'd take off your man-love blinders for 1\2 a second and listen to the background noise- RICHARDSON WAS DRAFTED WAY TOO EARLY- I said so two years ago, you weren't listening then- and you're sure not listening now. Not only that dumbass Heckert- must have been on a booze bender-even gave up picks to move up one spot to take him- when all along the Vikes were taking Kalil. I can now safely rate that move a solid F on how it turned out.
As a season ticket holder it totally sucks that the Browns are officially tanking the season before the first day of Fall- but really- I saw a stat where teams that lose their first two games only have a 8-9% chance of making the Playoffs. so we weren't going to the Promised land this year- with or without Trent. I've calmed down some- let's just say it was a totally ballsy move on the part of the Browns- and didya know- washed up Willis McGahee had a better ypc than Trent last year?
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Teddy Twatwater, yay, playing in that powerhouse Big East.
Andrew Luck isn't in this draft
Teddy Twatwater, yay, playing in that powerhouse Big East.
Andrew Luck isn't in this draft
FYI a bum named Johnny Unitas played for Louisville. Bret Farve played for Southern Miss. Marino? Pitt- real powerhouses there.
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We could have gotten:
2014
First Round Pick
Second Round Pick
Fourth Round Pick
2015
Second Round Pick
This is the Price to receive a franchise runningback.
where has this EVER been the price for a Franchise RB??? Do u have any examples? If this is the case then Minnesota made one of the worst draft day trades ever. And every single team in the leaguedropped the ball not moving up to get Richardson for the little assets we gave up for him.We could have gotten:
2014
First Round Pick
Second Round Pick
Fourth Round Pick
2015
Second Round Pick
This is the Price to receive a franchise runningback.
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Couch and I agree 100%. Those hard-nosed cold weather teams in Green Bay, New York, and New England seem to be pretty pass oriented, right? The Steelers have sucked ass at running the ball for a very long time, have been Ben's team for about 7 years, since Bettis, basically. And we know who the highest paid Raven is, and rightfully so. He carried them through the playoffs.
The Bengals got great value out of their new back (round 2?) Bernard... but let's get real: They're a pass first team, too. A.J., couple elite TEs, etc.
This notion that "you have to run to win" is just wrong. It's simply not true. There are BAD running teams winning championships (average rank of 10 Super Bowl participants before last year was 23rd with four 30th or lower). Running the ball well is NOT a commonality of winning teams. Having the best quarterbacks IS.
Some people just need to catch up. This new regime gets it: The 2011 trade (Julio Jones for Weeden, Little, and Taylor) looks worse and worse by the day. The 2012 draft is a disaster of epic proportions. Heckert sucked ass. The architecture of today's team is first, second and third, get a great quarterback. And then rush the passer. That is all.
Everyone is so quick to glorify the hard-nosed, tough AFC North teams.
"This is the AFC North, brother. Where men are men and eat steel sandwiches and shit brick buildings. We play in 70 MPH swirling winds off Lake Erie and battle through 10 ft. Deep snow storms. Passing the ball is for pussies and we'll show the league with our hard nosed, run between the tackles team and bruising RB's."
The 12 postseason QB's of 2012 ranked the following in QB rating during the regular season: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 10th,13th, 14th,22nd and 26th.
The first 4 QBs out were the ones ranked 26th, 22nd, 14th, and 3rd. And the 3rd ranked QB (Rg3) was eliminated by the 4th ranked QB (Wilson).
8 of the top 10 QB's made the postseason.
3 of the top 15 QBs are AFC North QB's. The other AFC North QB...29th.
I have about 15 counter points to your stupid argument and I'm drunk and operating on 1 hour of sleep on 72 hours of work.
I know you wish that this was the AFC North of old, where guys could leave their blue collar jobs and walk to the stadium with their lunch pails and watch a tough nosed RB grind out 100 hard fought yards and beat the opposing team 14-7. But it's not. Nowadays, if you score 14 points in the NFL...you more than likely are going to lose by 10.
Trent Richardson led us to 5 wins. That's it. Those are the facts. Blame OL all you want but we have two first rounders, a second rounder and a third rounder on our line...which is a lot more invested that other teams are.
We have a lot of holes, but until we get a franchise QB we will never win. Those are the facts. You can either choose to be an adult and accept it or bitch about trivial matters and think you're right when you're not.
The right QB changes everything.
I know you're going to say, but we've had 17 QBs and no one did anything...so it must be something else.
Look at the QB's we've had. Which one has gone on to have a career anywhere else? Outside of Tim Couch, when was the last time we even attempted to draft a franchise QB? Weeden? He was a late 1st round flyer who would have slipped to the second (or third). McCoy? He was a mid round project QB. Quinn? He was projected a top 10 pick and fell to 22 after concerns about a lack of an NFL caliber arm and unprofessional attitude.
We just kind of take a questionable pick and then go "Well, we'll take whatever QB is on the board with our next pick."
Couch was the only time in recent history we've taken a franchise QB and he was fucked from jump street.
EDIT: and we're getting new uni's next yearCouch and I agree 100%. Those hard-nosed cold weather teams in Green Bay, New York, and New England seem to be pretty pass oriented, right? The Steelers have sucked ass at running the ball for a very long time, have been Ben's team for about 7 years, since Bettis, basically. And we know who the highest paid Raven is, and rightfully so. He carried them through the playoffs.
This notion that "you have to run to win" is just wrong. It's simply not true.
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
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Couch and I agree 100%. Those hard-nosed cold weather teams in Green Bay, New York, and New England seem to be pretty pass oriented, right? The Steelers have sucked ass at running the ball for a very long time, have been Ben's team for about 7 years, since Bettis, basically. And we know who the highest paid Raven is, and rightfully so. He carried them through the playoffs.
This notion that "you have to run to win" is just wrong. It's simply not true.
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
You make it sound like everybody plays on ice in December.
NFL stadiums have subterranean hydronic hearing systems to heat the soil in the winter months. Even the "Frozen Tundra" of Lambeau has a field heater.
Once again, this isn't the 1950's where guys would get off of work and go play football on Sundays and then take their jerseys home for their wives to wash.
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ONE LATE FIRST ROUND PICK?!
THAT IS NOT GOOD VALUE!!
Pretty much a second rounder after the fact. Jim Irsay would have been willing to give up MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more to get Richardson.
#The MOTHER OF ALL TRADES!
#SHOCK AND AWE!!!
Like I said, the Falcons gave up much more to move up from 22 or so to pick Julio Jones... this is a worse deal by a great down and distance!
Again how is that not good value. Cause I was looking at similar trades for a RB and I came across Reggie Bush who , like him or not, Richardson can't hold his jock strap in college or in the pros. The saints traded him for a backup and 6th round pick. And miami didn't even resign him to a contract. Like anyone gives a shit what Irsay has to say. Of course he's gonna say that shit. He's about as football savey as Jerry Jones.ONE LATE FIRST ROUND PICK?!
THAT IS NOT GOOD VALUE!!
Pretty much a second rounder after the fact. Jim Irsay would have been willing to give up MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more to get Richardson.
#The MOTHER OF ALL TRADES!
#SHOCK AND AWE!!!
Like I said, the Falcons gave up much more to move up from 22 or so to pick Julio Jones... this is a worse deal by a great down and distance!
At first I thought u were joking about all the shit u say about Trich. Buy low and behold I can see u sitting in ur little mancave basement with all the Trich gear. Home and away jerseys from both years. All the bobble heads. Posters. Autographs u stood in line with all the little kids to get. Surrounded by all that CRAP and ur crying. Watching the replay of him de-helmeting Coleman in one of his longest career runs. Probably an asshole to be around since the trade. Maybe even kicked ur dog whim Uve cleverly named Richardson.
Don't usually like to troll anyone but u deserve this with all ur jackass posts.
"We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever. -
Couch and I agree 100%. Those hard-nosed cold weather teams in Green Bay, New York, and New England seem to be pretty pass oriented, right? The Steelers have sucked ass at running the ball for a very long time, have been Ben's team for about 7 years, since Bettis, basically. And we know who the highest paid Raven is, and rightfully so. He carried them through the playoffs.
This notion that "you have to run to win" is just wrong. It's simply not true.
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
You mean like the Pack, Pats, Giants, etc., last few years? Have you been out of the country?
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BaconHound, on 19 Sept 2013 - 6:10 PM, said:
Teddy Twatwater, yay, playing in that powerhouse Big East.
Andrew Luck isn't in this draft
actually, Louisville is in the American Athletic Conference. They start their ACC schedule in 2014 where the competition stiffens a bit.
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I'm still not totally convinced about our D, and even still they're a couple injuries away from being devastated not to mention the morale factor.
It's a long season and with our anemic Offense they're going to break down.
Kind of reminds me how people were crowning Weeden as gold after two pre season games then look what happened, where's your I told you so threads now?
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Everyone keeps saying that RBs are a dime a dozen.
Then how come we don't have one? We don't have a dime?
We don't have one NFL carry on our tailback depth chart and we play a league game in three days.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Everyone keeps saying that RBs are a dime a dozen.
Then how come we don't have one? We don't have a dime?
We don't have one NFL carry on our tailback depth chart and we play a league game in three days.
Zombo
No shit, and they sign a 32 year old cripple with no future or upside past this waste of a season.
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so? He's got a shiny new jersey- ditto Ryan Leaf. Browns? Courtless Brown, Spare Change Warren, Smokin the Green Willie, Knievel Winsow, Butterfingers Braylon, Camlock Wimbley and your point would be?
Ya want to know why the Browns have sucked forever? There you have it.
Tell you what PG Richardson rushes for 1200+ yards this season and 12+ TDs (I could make it 2,000+ to guarantee ll never have to pay up) I'll even give you a pair of my season tickets How that?
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son, give it a rest. have some dignity
Isn't this dignity? Fighting for the fanbase, not being a sheep?
dig·ni·ty (d g n-t) n. pl. dig·ni·ties. 1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect. 2. Inherent nobility and worth: the dignity of honest labor.
It's time the FO started respecting the hard working, paying and long suffering Browns Fans.
Isn't this dignity? Fighting for the fanbase, not being a sheep?
dig·ni·ty (d g n-t) n. pl. dig·ni·ties. 1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect. 2. Inherent nobility and worth: the dignity of honest labor.
It's time the FO started respecting the hard working, paying and long suffering Browns Fans.
man we know how much TR meant to you but as of right now...he's gone. ya gotta reel it all in and deal with it.
you are flogging a dead horse. TRich is gone forever and the Browns begin a new chapter tomorrow in gopherland. TRich was like a festering ass boil. You know sooner or later you are going to have to lance that thing. It gonna hurt like hell and reek of ass pus but it's gotta be done. I respect the FO for having the decisiveness to pull the trigger. who knows, maybe some of that resolution will filter down to the troops in the trenches tomorrow.
if you happen to meet him on the teilgate on the 29th, do me a favor and take good care of the kid.
you know he means well. maybe a couple of face mask oxygen bong hits of the chronic will set him at peace.
DISCLAIMER: I, NOR THE BROWNS BOARD SUPPORT LEWD AND ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR. THIS IS NOT FROM AN ANIMAL FREE HOUSE NOR A SMOKE FREE HOUSE....agent scully. you sexy bitch you.
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PoeticG, shut the fuck up already.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
You mean like the Pack, Pats, Giants, etc., last few years? Have you been out of the country?
You mean like the Pack, Pats, Giants, etc., last few years? Have you been out of the country?
and what were those franchises built on? really? (giants:brandon jacobs, joe morris and do i have to name the defense? GB: looks mediocre w/o a running game. pats would hire a guy at the barber shop for a running game as long as they had their tight ends and receivers. how's that working out for them, the steelers etc.) y'all will never get it huh? huge lines, tough runners, sufficient passing game and GEATdefense wins championships. period.)
not trying to start an argument
BUT if you don't think those teams were most dominate when they had the run game then you were floating around uranus,
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BaconHound, on 19 Sept 2013 - 6:10 PM, said:
Teddy Twatwater, yay, playing in that powerhouse Big East.
Andrew Luck isn't in this draft
actually, Louisville is in the American Athletic Conference. They start their ACC schedule in 2014 where the competition stiffens a bit.
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