TRICH traded to colts
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Couch and I agree 100%. Those hard-nosed cold weather teams in Green Bay, New York, and New England seem to be pretty pass oriented, right? The Steelers have sucked ass at running the ball for a very long time, have been Ben's team for about 7 years, since Bettis, basically. And we know who the highest paid Raven is, and rightfully so. He carried them through the playoffs.
The Bengals got great value out of their new back (round 2?) Bernard... but let's get real: They're a pass first team, too. A.J., couple elite TEs, etc.
This notion that "you have to run to win" is just wrong. It's simply not true. There are BAD running teams winning championships (average rank of 10 Super Bowl participants before last year was 23rd with four 30th or lower). Running the ball well is NOT a commonality of winning teams. Having the best quarterbacks IS.
Some people just need to catch up. This new regime gets it: The 2011 trade (Julio Jones for Weeden, Little, and Taylor) looks worse and worse by the day. The 2012 draft is a disaster of epic proportions. Heckert sucked ass. The architecture of today's team is first, second and third, get a great quarterback. And then rush the passer. That is all.
Everyone is so quick to glorify the hard-nosed, tough AFC North teams.
"This is the AFC North, brother. Where men are men and eat steel sandwiches and shit brick buildings. We play in 70 MPH swirling winds off Lake Erie and battle through 10 ft. Deep snow storms. Passing the ball is for pussies and we'll show the league with our hard nosed, run between the tackles team and bruising RB's."
The 12 postseason QB's of 2012 ranked the following in QB rating during the regular season: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 10th,13th, 14th,22nd and 26th.
The first 4 QBs out were the ones ranked 26th, 22nd, 14th, and 3rd. And the 3rd ranked QB (Rg3) was eliminated by the 4th ranked QB (Wilson).
8 of the top 10 QB's made the postseason.
3 of the top 15 QBs are AFC North QB's. The other AFC North QB...29th.
I have about 15 counter points to your stupid argument and I'm drunk and operating on 1 hour of sleep on 72 hours of work.
I know you wish that this was the AFC North of old, where guys could leave their blue collar jobs and walk to the stadium with their lunch pails and watch a tough nosed RB grind out 100 hard fought yards and beat the opposing team 14-7. But it's not. Nowadays, if you score 14 points in the NFL...you more than likely are going to lose by 10.
Trent Richardson led us to 5 wins. That's it. Those are the facts. Blame OL all you want but we have two first rounders, a second rounder and a third rounder on our line...which is a lot more invested that other teams are.
We have a lot of holes, but until we get a franchise QB we will never win. Those are the facts. You can either choose to be an adult and accept it or bitch about trivial matters and think you're right when you're not.
The right QB changes everything.
I know you're going to say, but we've had 17 QBs and no one did anything...so it must be something else.
Look at the QB's we've had. Which one has gone on to have a career anywhere else? Outside of Tim Couch, when was the last time we even attempted to draft a franchise QB? Weeden? He was a late 1st round flyer who would have slipped to the second (or third). McCoy? He was a mid round project QB. Quinn? He was projected a top 10 pick and fell to 22 after concerns about a lack of an NFL caliber arm and unprofessional attitude.
We just kind of take a questionable pick and then go "Well, we'll take whatever QB is on the board with our next pick."
Couch was the only time in recent history we've taken a franchise QB and he was fucked from jump street.
EDIT: and we're getting new uni's next yearCouch and I agree 100%. Those hard-nosed cold weather teams in Green Bay, New York, and New England seem to be pretty pass oriented, right? The Steelers have sucked ass at running the ball for a very long time, have been Ben's team for about 7 years, since Bettis, basically. And we know who the highest paid Raven is, and rightfully so. He carried them through the playoffs.
This notion that "you have to run to win" is just wrong. It's simply not true.
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
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Couch and I agree 100%. Those hard-nosed cold weather teams in Green Bay, New York, and New England seem to be pretty pass oriented, right? The Steelers have sucked ass at running the ball for a very long time, have been Ben's team for about 7 years, since Bettis, basically. And we know who the highest paid Raven is, and rightfully so. He carried them through the playoffs.
This notion that "you have to run to win" is just wrong. It's simply not true.
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
You make it sound like everybody plays on ice in December.
NFL stadiums have subterranean hydronic hearing systems to heat the soil in the winter months. Even the "Frozen Tundra" of Lambeau has a field heater.
Once again, this isn't the 1950's where guys would get off of work and go play football on Sundays and then take their jerseys home for their wives to wash.
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ONE LATE FIRST ROUND PICK?!
THAT IS NOT GOOD VALUE!!
Pretty much a second rounder after the fact. Jim Irsay would have been willing to give up MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more to get Richardson.
#The MOTHER OF ALL TRADES!
#SHOCK AND AWE!!!
Like I said, the Falcons gave up much more to move up from 22 or so to pick Julio Jones... this is a worse deal by a great down and distance!
Again how is that not good value. Cause I was looking at similar trades for a RB and I came across Reggie Bush who , like him or not, Richardson can't hold his jock strap in college or in the pros. The saints traded him for a backup and 6th round pick. And miami didn't even resign him to a contract. Like anyone gives a shit what Irsay has to say. Of course he's gonna say that shit. He's about as football savey as Jerry Jones.ONE LATE FIRST ROUND PICK?!
THAT IS NOT GOOD VALUE!!
Pretty much a second rounder after the fact. Jim Irsay would have been willing to give up MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more to get Richardson.
#The MOTHER OF ALL TRADES!
#SHOCK AND AWE!!!
Like I said, the Falcons gave up much more to move up from 22 or so to pick Julio Jones... this is a worse deal by a great down and distance!
At first I thought u were joking about all the shit u say about Trich. Buy low and behold I can see u sitting in ur little mancave basement with all the Trich gear. Home and away jerseys from both years. All the bobble heads. Posters. Autographs u stood in line with all the little kids to get. Surrounded by all that CRAP and ur crying. Watching the replay of him de-helmeting Coleman in one of his longest career runs. Probably an asshole to be around since the trade. Maybe even kicked ur dog whim Uve cleverly named Richardson.
Don't usually like to troll anyone but u deserve this with all ur jackass posts.
"We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever. -
Couch and I agree 100%. Those hard-nosed cold weather teams in Green Bay, New York, and New England seem to be pretty pass oriented, right? The Steelers have sucked ass at running the ball for a very long time, have been Ben's team for about 7 years, since Bettis, basically. And we know who the highest paid Raven is, and rightfully so. He carried them through the playoffs.
This notion that "you have to run to win" is just wrong. It's simply not true.
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
You mean like the Pack, Pats, Giants, etc., last few years? Have you been out of the country?
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BaconHound, on 19 Sept 2013 - 6:10 PM, said:
Teddy Twatwater, yay, playing in that powerhouse Big East.
Andrew Luck isn't in this draft
actually, Louisville is in the American Athletic Conference. They start their ACC schedule in 2014 where the competition stiffens a bit.
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I'm still not totally convinced about our D, and even still they're a couple injuries away from being devastated not to mention the morale factor.
It's a long season and with our anemic Offense they're going to break down.
Kind of reminds me how people were crowning Weeden as gold after two pre season games then look what happened, where's your I told you so threads now?
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Everyone keeps saying that RBs are a dime a dozen.
Then how come we don't have one? We don't have a dime?
We don't have one NFL carry on our tailback depth chart and we play a league game in three days.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Everyone keeps saying that RBs are a dime a dozen.
Then how come we don't have one? We don't have a dime?
We don't have one NFL carry on our tailback depth chart and we play a league game in three days.
Zombo
No shit, and they sign a 32 year old cripple with no future or upside past this waste of a season.
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so? He's got a shiny new jersey- ditto Ryan Leaf. Browns? Courtless Brown, Spare Change Warren, Smokin the Green Willie, Knievel Winsow, Butterfingers Braylon, Camlock Wimbley and your point would be?
Ya want to know why the Browns have sucked forever? There you have it.
Tell you what PG Richardson rushes for 1200+ yards this season and 12+ TDs (I could make it 2,000+ to guarantee ll never have to pay up) I'll even give you a pair of my season tickets How that?
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son, give it a rest. have some dignity
Isn't this dignity? Fighting for the fanbase, not being a sheep?
dig·ni·ty (d g n-t) n. pl. dig·ni·ties. 1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect. 2. Inherent nobility and worth: the dignity of honest labor.
It's time the FO started respecting the hard working, paying and long suffering Browns Fans.
Isn't this dignity? Fighting for the fanbase, not being a sheep?
dig·ni·ty (d g n-t) n. pl. dig·ni·ties. 1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect. 2. Inherent nobility and worth: the dignity of honest labor.
It's time the FO started respecting the hard working, paying and long suffering Browns Fans.
man we know how much TR meant to you but as of right now...he's gone. ya gotta reel it all in and deal with it.
you are flogging a dead horse. TRich is gone forever and the Browns begin a new chapter tomorrow in gopherland. TRich was like a festering ass boil. You know sooner or later you are going to have to lance that thing. It gonna hurt like hell and reek of ass pus but it's gotta be done. I respect the FO for having the decisiveness to pull the trigger. who knows, maybe some of that resolution will filter down to the troops in the trenches tomorrow.
if you happen to meet him on the teilgate on the 29th, do me a favor and take good care of the kid.
you know he means well. maybe a couple of face mask oxygen bong hits of the chronic will set him at peace.
DISCLAIMER: I, NOR THE BROWNS BOARD SUPPORT LEWD AND ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR. THIS IS NOT FROM AN ANIMAL FREE HOUSE NOR A SMOKE FREE HOUSE....agent scully. you sexy bitch you.
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PoeticG, shut the fuck up already.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
well you are right and everyone else is wrong...once again. talk to me in december when any #1 WR is scratching at the iced field trying to get open let alone off the line.
have you really been gone that long?
You mean like the Pack, Pats, Giants, etc., last few years? Have you been out of the country?
You mean like the Pack, Pats, Giants, etc., last few years? Have you been out of the country?
and what were those franchises built on? really? (giants:brandon jacobs, joe morris and do i have to name the defense? GB: looks mediocre w/o a running game. pats would hire a guy at the barber shop for a running game as long as they had their tight ends and receivers. how's that working out for them, the steelers etc.) y'all will never get it huh? huge lines, tough runners, sufficient passing game and GEATdefense wins championships. period.)
not trying to start an argument
BUT if you don't think those teams were most dominate when they had the run game then you were floating around uranus,
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BaconHound, on 19 Sept 2013 - 6:10 PM, said:
Teddy Twatwater, yay, playing in that powerhouse Big East.
Andrew Luck isn't in this draft
actually, Louisville is in the American Athletic Conference. They start their ACC schedule in 2014 where the competition stiffens a bit.
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PoeticG, shut the fuck up already.
PoeticG, shut the fuck up already.
isn't it funny how two opposing foes use names that are conflicted by spirit and time.
my real name is tim and yours is richard.
what's up with that??? dick?
it must be a sign....
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i say we trade lauvau and little for josh freeman straight up, right now!
do it! right now!!
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PoeticG, shut the fuck up already.
isn't it funny how two opposing foes use names that are conflicted by spirit and time.
my real name is tim and yours is richard.
what's up with that??? dick?
it must be a sign....
isn't it funny how two opposing foes use names that are conflicted by spirit and time.
my real name is tim and yours is richard.
what's up with that??? dick?
it must be a sign....
My name isn't Richard but I am a dick.
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My name isn't Richard but I am a dick.
oh, i know. doesn't mean you're a bad person.
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I live 120 miles away so any pickup would have to be game day
funny how things work out that way.
funny how things work out that way.
'Cuse me? I said PICKUP on game day numbnuts...I wouldn't think even you were dumb enough to drive 240 to pick up tickets then drive 240 back to see the game but then, I've read your posts so smart isn't in your bailiwick
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'Cuse me? I said PICKUP on game day numbnuts...I wouldn't think even you were dumb enough to drive 240 to pick up tickets then drive 240 back to see the game but then, I've read your posts so smart isn't in your bailiwick
if you only knew sir.
i've got more knowledge/creativity growing on one of my grey sac hairs than you do with you're whole head of fake hair.
pishaw.pishaw, my angry ugly friend.
1/2 my posts are to reel in suckers like you just to blab at them all night long when i'm drunk.
"look!! i got a bite!!"
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I hate this. Trent was our workhorse. Traded for what will be nearly a second round pick. I want Lombardi GONE. I want Banner GONE. And if Chudzinski is as dumb as he looks for going along with trading his best player, I want him GONE as well. Do you hear me HASLAM? Do you fucking hear your fans!? Cleveland doesn't like this, and it doesn't matter WHO you pick with that pick. We wanted TRENT HERE... SMH
I hate this. Trent was our workhorse. Traded for what will be nearly a second round pick. I want Lombardi GONE. I want Banner GONE. And if Chudzinski is as dumb as he looks for going along with trading his best player, I want him GONE as well. Do you hear me HASLAM? Do you fucking hear your fans!? Cleveland doesn't like this, and it doesn't matter WHO you pick with that pick. We wanted TRENT HERE... SMH
please post a video of you burning your season tickets until then.....your ability to cut and paste is B-O-R-I-N-G
I'll be back but I just found this real quick before I go...
97-year-old Browns fan reacts to trade
newsnet5.com
updated 9/20/2013 3:45:30 AM ET
Bette Mizer loves to talk with anyone about her beloved Cleveland Browns, but she's not happy about the decision to trade Trent Richardson.Mizer is 97-years-old so she has plenty of experience when it comes to dealing with the ups and downs of the brown and orange.
"We just lost Trent Richardson who we just hired this last year and he's gone far away to the Indianapolis Colts," Mizer said. Mizer, of Massillon, volunteers once a week at the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton. She greets visitors, asking them which NFL team is their favorite. There is no doubt which team she likes the most. Her lifelong love affair dates back more than 90 years, when at the age of 6 she started going to Browns games with her father.When the Browns won their last championship in 1964, Mizer was in the stadium.
"The mood was fantastic. Why wouldn't it be?" she said. Mizer's mood wasn't great when she learned of the Richardson trade. The running back was becoming her favorite player after the Browns didn't re-sign her previous favorite. "I always liked Phil Dawson, the kicker, but now he's gone," she said. Mizer explained that she'll always support the Browns, adding that "she's too old to change teams now. "She hopes the new regime has a plan in place to bring home a Super Bowl before she turns 100. And then, she repeated a familiar refrain known by Browns fans across the globe: "Wait until next year."
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All my Steeler friends are just shaking their heads. When the Goddamn Steelers Fans are shaking their fucking heads.... just fucking wow. We'll never recover from this until Lombardi is done. He's a joke. I could care or give a fuck less about the handful of pussies that can't take me whining about this kind of shit all the time. There are people out there that feel just like I do... as a matter of fact.
Walk down the streets of Alliance Ohio, 20 minutes NE from the Pro Football Hall of Fame and there you will find, what I describe as, Lombardi's Lobotomies. A once proud and hopeful pack of people, donning the orange and brown, fierce and determined. It's like a sergeant has been taken down right in front of us.
Where do you live? Look at where I live. I'm telling you that it's much different if you are in the North East right now. It's going to get cold soon. Cabin Fever makes us Crazy. You just pissed off a bunch of rabid Browns fans that are about to be on lockdown for a couple of months watching their runningback on another team, for another championship, while we're watching our draftpick become later and later... So quit telling me that you are an idiot and a sheep and show some balls and speak out against it. Silent voices are not heard, or even worse; misunderstood.
All my Steeler friends are just shaking their heads. When the Goddamn Steelers Fans are shaking their fucking heads.... just fucking wow. We'll never recover from this until Lombardi is done. He's a joke. I could care or give a fuck less about the handful of pussies that can't take me whining about this kind of shit all the time. There are people out there that feel just like I do... as a matter of fact.
Walk down the streets of Alliance Ohio, 20 minutes NE from the Pro Football Hall of Fame and there you will find, what I describe as, Lombardi's Lobotomies. A once proud and hopeful pack of people, donning the orange and brown, fierce and determined. It's like a sergeant has been taken down right in front of us.
Where do you live? Look at where I live. I'm telling you that it's much different if you are in the North East right now. It's going to get cold soon. Cabin Fever makes us Crazy. You just pissed off a bunch of rabid Browns fans that are about to be on lockdown for a couple of months watching their runningback on another team, for another championship, while we're watching our draftpick become later and later... . Silent voices are not heard, or even worse; misunderstood.
"So quit telling me that you are an idiot and a sheep and show some balls and speak out against it"
Kind of hard to speak out when it was the BEST decision a Front Office for the Cleveland Browns has made since drafting Joe Thomas....or since releasing bernie Kosar
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