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Gordon has to be untouchable, he's too good of a football player to just trade away.

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  • It's probably still against league policy.

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  • D dab7291993

    @d-bone said:

    He's good no doubt, but the bong use has to be taken into consideration. He can't catch a single pass suspended for a year.

    Wasn't he suspended for not officially going through the NFL, notifying them of his prescription for medicine with codeine in it?

    @dab7291993 said:

    Wasn't he suspended for not officially going through the NFL, notifying them of his prescription for medicine with codeine in it?

    That's the story anyway.

  • I think it's going to be tough for any FO to offer fair market value for Gordon with his baggage. His positive piss tests and other travails are just the tip of the iceberg in a substance abusing lifestyle. I hope he is able to keep his shit in one sock but the odds are against him. The Browns will be his home for the long or short term. He has the skills to help the Browns win games but the real struggle for him will be off the field.

  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    It's probably still against league policy.

    @poeticg said:

    It's probably still against league policy.

    I can see banning any substance that may be a PED. But pot? They afraid some one may float over the line?

  • letsgojacketsL letsgojackets

    So he's an addict cuz he smokes cannabis? Some people need a reality check. Alcohol is far more dangerous...

    @letsgojackets said:

    So he's an addict cuz he smokes cannabis? Some people need a reality check. Alcohol is far more dangerous...

    Try reading my post. I think its pretty clear i understand smoking weed once and awhile isn't indicative of being an addict. As I said its not as much what you do its what the results. If you ate nuts and they put you in the hospital with a severe allergic reaction it can happen. If you did it several more times despite knowing the risk you likely have some friggin issues.

    Not being able to follow the rules as it relates to cannabis and risking million dollar salaries YES that would indicate addictive behavior or pure stupidity you choose. I will take a wild guess that maybe you enjoy it occasionally (just a guess not an indictment). If I am right could you refrain from it in order to protect a million dollars?

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @ballpeen said:

    I understand that. The problem is his actions hurt the team this year. As far as i am concerned we lost those two games because of him.

    I don't think he tries to be a screw up. It just happens. Hangs with the boy's, forgets what he is doing, smokes a little of this or that.

    If the guy didn't have a history, no way I'd trade him. He is a super player. Based on his previous actions, I don't want to gamble on him. Face it, if he screws up again it is a year off. We will simply cut him. I would rather some other team have to face that reality.

    'Peen- I understand your concern- but we have to roll the dice on this guy. Right now, he's our only legit offensive threat. As others have said we wouldn't get fair value in a trade on top of it. You think the Broncos should trade Von Miller because he has drug issues?

    @hoorta said:

    'Peen- I understand your concern- but we have to roll the dice on this guy. Right now, he's our only legit offensive threat. As others have said we wouldn't get fair value in a trade on top of it. You think the Broncos should trade Von Miller because he has drug issues?

    I don't give a shit about the Broncos, they can do what they want....I only care about the Browns.

    I am not saying i know the right course. All I am saying is i would ship him for the right offer.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • D dab7291993

    @d-bone said:

    He's good no doubt, but the bong use has to be taken into consideration. He can't catch a single pass suspended for a year.

    Wasn't he suspended for not officially going through the NFL, notifying them of his prescription for medicine with codeine in it?

    @dab7291993 said:

    Wasn't he suspended for not officially going through the NFL, notifying them of his prescription for medicine with codeine in it?

    He failed drug tests TWICE last year. The first is not made public and carries a warning and some counseling. The second is a four game suspension. Because he did have a doctors prescription it was reduced to two games. If he had reported the prescription to the league when it was given he would have been clear.

    It is also safe to assume the doc was a "friend" of Josh's. Unless its just me I have actually had strep about 7 times and have never been prescribed codeine cough syrup.

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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @hoorta said:

    'Peen- I understand your concern- but we have to roll the dice on this guy. Right now, he's our only legit offensive threat. As others have said we wouldn't get fair value in a trade on top of it. You think the Broncos should trade Von Miller because he has drug issues?

    I don't give a shit about the Broncos, they can do what they want....I only care about the Browns.

    I am not saying i know the right course. All I am saying is i would ship him for the right offer.

    @ballpeen said:

    I don't give a shit about the Broncos, they can do what they want....I only care about the Browns.

    I am not saying i know the right course. All I am saying is i would ship him for the right offer.

    I totally get the concern. Hell there is a high probability he will be an issue. We will never however get anywhere near his talent value in trade. He is a first round talent. I think you have to roll the dice

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  • letsgojacketsL letsgojackets

    So he's an addict cuz he smokes cannabis? Some people need a reality check. Alcohol is far more dangerous...

    @letsgojackets said:

    So he's an addict cuz he smokes cannabis? Some people need a reality check. Alcohol is far more dangerous...

    You can be addicted to anything. Doesn't have to be dangerous.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • jcam222J jcam222

    @dab7291993 said:

    Wasn't he suspended for not officially going through the NFL, notifying them of his prescription for medicine with codeine in it?

    He failed drug tests TWICE last year. The first is not made public and carries a warning and some counseling. The second is a four game suspension. Because he did have a doctors prescription it was reduced to two games. If he had reported the prescription to the league when it was given he would have been clear.

    It is also safe to assume the doc was a "friend" of Josh's. Unless its just me I have actually had strep about 7 times and have never been prescribed codeine cough syrup.

    @jcam222 said:

    He failed drug tests TWICE last year. The first is not made public and carries a warning and some counseling. The second is a four game suspension. Because he did have a doctors prescription it was reduced to two games. If he had reported the prescription to the league when it was given he would have been clear.

    It is also safe to assume the doc was a "friend" of Josh's. Unless its just me I have actually had strep about 7 times and have never been prescribed codeine cough syrup.

    He said it was medicine with codeine in it.

    Let's not act like Josh Gordon is getting DUI's and fighting in night clubs.

    If he doesn't learn, we cut him loose..and if he does..we have a possible Top 10 WR in the league.

    I take that risk 10 out of 10 times if that's my reward.

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  • jcam222J jcam222

    @dab7291993 said:

    Wasn't he suspended for not officially going through the NFL, notifying them of his prescription for medicine with codeine in it?

    He failed drug tests TWICE last year. The first is not made public and carries a warning and some counseling. The second is a four game suspension. Because he did have a doctors prescription it was reduced to two games. If he had reported the prescription to the league when it was given he would have been clear.

    It is also safe to assume the doc was a "friend" of Josh's. Unless its just me I have actually had strep about 7 times and have never been prescribed codeine cough syrup.

    @jcam222 said:

    He failed drug tests TWICE last year. The first is not made public and carries a warning and some counseling. The second is a four game suspension. Because he did have a doctors prescription it was reduced to two games. If he had reported the prescription to the league when it was given he would have been clear.

    It is also safe to assume the doc was a "friend" of Josh's. Unless its just me I have actually had strep about 7 times and have never been prescribed codeine cough syrup.

    I'm pretty sure the failed tests were while he was still under College rules and not an NFLer yet, otherwise he'd have been out some games like Haden was.

    I've had Codeine Cough syrup prescribed a few times for a cough, probably more of a Doctors' preference in how they treat or how bad it (cough) is.

    This last issue doesn't concern me as bad since the NFL actually reduced the penalty, but Josh not reporting or going through the proper channels is more of a concern.

    Of course he was a Rookie and came in late (Supplemental Draft), so he didn't get the Rookie orientation like the other Rookies.

    Still, I can see concern, but there also seem to be circumstances.

  • D dab7291993

    @jcam222 said:

    He failed drug tests TWICE last year. The first is not made public and carries a warning and some counseling. The second is a four game suspension. Because he did have a doctors prescription it was reduced to two games. If he had reported the prescription to the league when it was given he would have been clear.

    It is also safe to assume the doc was a "friend" of Josh's. Unless its just me I have actually had strep about 7 times and have never been prescribed codeine cough syrup.

    He said it was medicine with codeine in it.

    Let's not act like Josh Gordon is getting DUI's and fighting in night clubs.

    If he doesn't learn, we cut him loose..and if he does..we have a possible Top 10 WR in the league.

    I take that risk 10 out of 10 times if that's my reward.

    @dab7291993 said:

    He said it was medicine with codeine in it.

    Let's not act like Josh Gordon is getting DUI's and fighting in night clubs.

    If he doesn't learn, we cut him loose..and if he does..we have a possible Top 10 WR in the league.

    I take that risk 10 out of 10 times if that's my reward.

    Very good point. It's not like he has the "Thug" attitude. Hell, some teams stick with knife murderers!

  • jcam222J jcam222

    @ballpeen said:

    I don't give a shit about the Broncos, they can do what they want....I only care about the Browns.

    I am not saying i know the right course. All I am saying is i would ship him for the right offer.

    I totally get the concern. Hell there is a high probability he will be an issue. We will never however get anywhere near his talent value in trade. He is a first round talent. I think you have to roll the dice

    @jcam222 said:

    I totally get the concern. Hell there is a high probability he will be an issue. We will never however get anywhere near his talent value in trade. He is a first round talent. I think you have to roll the dice

    Maybe.......just some of my experience talking here.....most of my best trips to Vegas were when I was up several thousands and decided a show and dinner were best and I didn't throw dice.

    I rolled out of town up 22k and 15k another because I refused to walk in to a casino with over a five hundred the pocket the last day. The point is if you can get lucky, you can get unlucky faster. I won't mention the times my 5k steak was gone real quick.

    Just saying.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • LOL cough syrup with codeine = Purple Drank

    "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978
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  • RichiswhereR Richiswhere

    LOL cough syrup with codeine = Purple Drank

    @richiswhere said:

    LOL cough syrup with codeine = Purple Drank

    Lmao ^

  • Gotta keep Gordon. Little and Bess play better when he's in the lineup. This is the formidable WR corp we were hoping to field this year. Gordon is a true #1, and I'll take the risk for him.

    #Justsayin'

  • jcam222 is on the right track.

    clinical definition of abuser vs addict:

    you can do as much of whatever you want and as long as there are no problems in your life from it your qualified as an abuser.

    if your substance use creates problems in your life--any problems--(late for work, lie to cover-up, puke on kid's math book, get dui, get violent and hurt peeps, slut it up and get disease etc etc etc) and it doesn't make you stop...your qualified as an addict.

    everything is good until trouble. they say when those without addictive behavior run into trouble they are like "fuck this, i'm done!"

    ...whereas addicts just keep on rollin (see Von Miller).

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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @jcam222 said:

    I totally get the concern. Hell there is a high probability he will be an issue. We will never however get anywhere near his talent value in trade. He is a first round talent. I think you have to roll the dice

    Maybe.......just some of my experience talking here.....most of my best trips to Vegas were when I was up several thousands and decided a show and dinner were best and I didn't throw dice.

    I rolled out of town up 22k and 15k another because I refused to walk in to a casino with over a five hundred the pocket the last day. The point is if you can get lucky, you can get unlucky faster. I won't mention the times my 5k steak was gone real quick.

    Just saying.

    @ballpeen said:

    Maybe.......just some of my experience talking here.....most of my best trips to Vegas were when I was up several thousands and decided a show and dinner were best and I didn't throw dice.

    I rolled out of town up 22k and 15k another because I refused to walk in to a casino with over a five hundred the pocket the last day. The point is if you can get lucky, you can get unlucky faster. I won't mention the times my 5k steak was gone real quick.

    Just saying.

    and that sir is why i'm not joining you all at the tail gate this weekend. i know i'd piss away (literally) a grand at the bar(s) the night before and probably end up in east cleveland hanging on on some corner and getting shoved into a body bag before game time.

    the cost of travel, the melee that would be a saturday afternoon into a saturday night into a sunday morning etc. strippers and hookers. i'd be lucky to afford to get a one way bus ticket back to NY.

    i prob saved myself 3k, easy.

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  • obviously i am a huge JG fan. been waiting on his return and he didn't disappoint.

    dude makes putting up epic numbers look ridiculously easy. burns defenses like AD. gets open by 5 yards regularly.

    if he fucks up i'll be devastated. he singlehandedly makes Greg Little viable.

    without him it's their #1CB on our #2WR, their #2CB on our #3WR etc. it all starts w JG.

    he is without a doubt the lynchpin.

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  • D dab7291993

    @jcam222 said:

    He failed drug tests TWICE last year. The first is not made public and carries a warning and some counseling. The second is a four game suspension. Because he did have a doctors prescription it was reduced to two games. If he had reported the prescription to the league when it was given he would have been clear.

    It is also safe to assume the doc was a "friend" of Josh's. Unless its just me I have actually had strep about 7 times and have never been prescribed codeine cough syrup.

    He said it was medicine with codeine in it.

    Let's not act like Josh Gordon is getting DUI's and fighting in night clubs.

    If he doesn't learn, we cut him loose..and if he does..we have a possible Top 10 WR in the league.

    I take that risk 10 out of 10 times if that's my reward.

    @dab7291993 said:

    He said it was medicine with codeine in it.

    Let's not act like Josh Gordon is getting DUI's and fighting in night clubs.

    If he doesn't learn, we cut him loose..and if he does..we have a possible Top 10 WR in the league.

    I take that risk 10 out of 10 times if that's my reward.

    I am with you on taking the risk. I would keep him around for sure. Don't minimize his screwed up behavior though. He burned through two colleges because he couldn't follow the rules. he sat out a full year due to his issues. He DID fail two drug tests as a Cleveland Brown last year. The policy on rec drugs is essentially a warning with no suspension on the first fail and a four game suspension on the second. He was given a reduction to 2 games. Keep in mind the suspension policy is a bit different between rec and ped's.

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