Gordon has to be untouchable, he's too good of a football player to just trade away.
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He failed drug tests TWICE last year. The first is not made public and carries a warning and some counseling. The second is a four game suspension. Because he did have a doctors prescription it was reduced to two games. If he had reported the prescription to the league when it was given he would have been clear.
It is also safe to assume the doc was a "friend" of Josh's. Unless its just me I have actually had strep about 7 times and have never been prescribed codeine cough syrup.
He said it was medicine with codeine in it.
Let's not act like Josh Gordon is getting DUI's and fighting in night clubs.
If he doesn't learn, we cut him loose..and if he does..we have a possible Top 10 WR in the league.
I take that risk 10 out of 10 times if that's my reward.
He said it was medicine with codeine in it.
Let's not act like Josh Gordon is getting DUI's and fighting in night clubs.
If he doesn't learn, we cut him loose..and if he does..we have a possible Top 10 WR in the league.
I take that risk 10 out of 10 times if that's my reward.
Very good point. It's not like he has the "Thug" attitude. Hell, some teams stick with knife murderers!
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I don't give a shit about the Broncos, they can do what they want....I only care about the Browns.
I am not saying i know the right course. All I am saying is i would ship him for the right offer.
I totally get the concern. Hell there is a high probability he will be an issue. We will never however get anywhere near his talent value in trade. He is a first round talent. I think you have to roll the dice
I totally get the concern. Hell there is a high probability he will be an issue. We will never however get anywhere near his talent value in trade. He is a first round talent. I think you have to roll the dice
Maybe.......just some of my experience talking here.....most of my best trips to Vegas were when I was up several thousands and decided a show and dinner were best and I didn't throw dice.
I rolled out of town up 22k and 15k another because I refused to walk in to a casino with over a five hundred the pocket the last day. The point is if you can get lucky, you can get unlucky faster. I won't mention the times my 5k steak was gone real quick.
Just saying.
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LOL cough syrup with codeine = Purple Drank
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LOL cough syrup with codeine = Purple Drank
Lmao ^LOL cough syrup with codeine = Purple Drank
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Gotta keep Gordon. Little and Bess play better when he's in the lineup. This is the formidable WR corp we were hoping to field this year. Gordon is a true #1, and I'll take the risk for him.
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jcam222 is on the right track.
clinical definition of abuser vs addict:
you can do as much of whatever you want and as long as there are no problems in your life from it your qualified as an abuser.
if your substance use creates problems in your life--any problems--(late for work, lie to cover-up, puke on kid's math book, get dui, get violent and hurt peeps, slut it up and get disease etc etc etc) and it doesn't make you stop...your qualified as an addict.
everything is good until trouble. they say when those without addictive behavior run into trouble they are like "fuck this, i'm done!"
...whereas addicts just keep on rollin (see Von Miller).
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I totally get the concern. Hell there is a high probability he will be an issue. We will never however get anywhere near his talent value in trade. He is a first round talent. I think you have to roll the dice
Maybe.......just some of my experience talking here.....most of my best trips to Vegas were when I was up several thousands and decided a show and dinner were best and I didn't throw dice.
I rolled out of town up 22k and 15k another because I refused to walk in to a casino with over a five hundred the pocket the last day. The point is if you can get lucky, you can get unlucky faster. I won't mention the times my 5k steak was gone real quick.
Just saying.
Maybe.......just some of my experience talking here.....most of my best trips to Vegas were when I was up several thousands and decided a show and dinner were best and I didn't throw dice.
I rolled out of town up 22k and 15k another because I refused to walk in to a casino with over a five hundred the pocket the last day. The point is if you can get lucky, you can get unlucky faster. I won't mention the times my 5k steak was gone real quick.
Just saying.
and that sir is why i'm not joining you all at the tail gate this weekend. i know i'd piss away (literally) a grand at the bar(s) the night before and probably end up in east cleveland hanging on on some corner and getting shoved into a body bag before game time.
the cost of travel, the melee that would be a saturday afternoon into a saturday night into a sunday morning etc. strippers and hookers. i'd be lucky to afford to get a one way bus ticket back to NY.
i prob saved myself 3k, easy.
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obviously i am a huge JG fan. been waiting on his return and he didn't disappoint.
dude makes putting up epic numbers look ridiculously easy. burns defenses like AD. gets open by 5 yards regularly.
if he fucks up i'll be devastated. he singlehandedly makes Greg Little viable.
without him it's their #1CB on our #2WR, their #2CB on our #3WR etc. it all starts w JG.
he is without a doubt the lynchpin.
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He failed drug tests TWICE last year. The first is not made public and carries a warning and some counseling. The second is a four game suspension. Because he did have a doctors prescription it was reduced to two games. If he had reported the prescription to the league when it was given he would have been clear.
It is also safe to assume the doc was a "friend" of Josh's. Unless its just me I have actually had strep about 7 times and have never been prescribed codeine cough syrup.
He said it was medicine with codeine in it.
Let's not act like Josh Gordon is getting DUI's and fighting in night clubs.
If he doesn't learn, we cut him loose..and if he does..we have a possible Top 10 WR in the league.
I take that risk 10 out of 10 times if that's my reward.
He said it was medicine with codeine in it.
Let's not act like Josh Gordon is getting DUI's and fighting in night clubs.
If he doesn't learn, we cut him loose..and if he does..we have a possible Top 10 WR in the league.
I take that risk 10 out of 10 times if that's my reward.
I am with you on taking the risk. I would keep him around for sure. Don't minimize his screwed up behavior though. He burned through two colleges because he couldn't follow the rules. he sat out a full year due to his issues. He DID fail two drug tests as a Cleveland Brown last year. The policy on rec drugs is essentially a warning with no suspension on the first fail and a four game suspension on the second. He was given a reduction to 2 games. Keep in mind the suspension policy is a bit different between rec and ped's.
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jcam222 is on the right track.
clinical definition of abuser vs addict:
you can do as much of whatever you want and as long as there are no problems in your life from it your qualified as an abuser.
if your substance use creates problems in your life--any problems--(late for work, lie to cover-up, puke on kid's math book, get dui, get violent and hurt peeps, slut it up and get disease etc etc etc) and it doesn't make you stop...your qualified as an addict.
everything is good until trouble. they say when those without addictive behavior run into trouble they are like "fuck this, i'm done!"
...whereas addicts just keep on rollin (see Von Miller).
jcam222 is on the right track.
clinical definition of abuser vs addict:
you can do as much of whatever you want and as long as there are no problems in your life from it your qualified as an abuser.
if your substance use creates problems in your life--any problems--(late for work, lie to cover-up, puke on kid's math book, get dui, get violent and hurt peeps, slut it up and get disease etc etc etc) and it doesn't make you stop...your qualified as an addict.
everything is good until trouble. they say when those without addictive behavior run into trouble they are like "fuck this, i'm done!"
...whereas addicts just keep on rollin.
Thanks for explaining it quite a bit clearer than I was. You are right on the money. His suspensions in college and NFL clearly fall into the problems. Anyone that can't see that is simply in denial.
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Maybe.......just some of my experience talking here.....most of my best trips to Vegas were when I was up several thousands and decided a show and dinner were best and I didn't throw dice.
I rolled out of town up 22k and 15k another because I refused to walk in to a casino with over a five hundred the pocket the last day. The point is if you can get lucky, you can get unlucky faster. I won't mention the times my 5k steak was gone real quick.
Just saying.
and that sir is why i'm not joining you all at the tail gate this weekend. i know i'd piss away (literally) a grand at the bar(s) the night before and probably end up in east cleveland hanging on on some corner and getting shoved into a body bag before game time.
the cost of travel, the melee that would be a saturday afternoon into a saturday night into a sunday morning etc. strippers and hookers. i'd be lucky to afford to get a one way bus ticket back to NY.
i prob saved myself 3k, easy.
and that sir is why i'm not joining you all at the tail gate this weekend. i know i'd piss away (literally) a grand at the bar(s) the night before and probably end up in east cleveland hanging on on some corner and getting shoved into a body bag before game time.
the cost of travel, the melee that would be a saturday afternoon into a saturday night into a sunday morning etc. strippers and hookers. i'd be lucky to afford to get a one way bus ticket back to NY.
i prob saved myself 3k, easy.
You could get one of your buddies from the Browns Board to keep you in line.
Well, on second thought..........
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and that sir is why i'm not joining you all at the tail gate this weekend. i know i'd piss away (literally) a grand at the bar(s) the night before and probably end up in east cleveland hanging on on some corner and getting shoved into a body bag before game time.
the cost of travel, the melee that would be a saturday afternoon into a saturday night into a sunday morning etc. strippers and hookers. i'd be lucky to afford to get a one way bus ticket back to NY.
i prob saved myself 3k, easy.
You could get one of your buddies from the Browns Board to keep you in line.
Well, on second thought..........
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It looks like we were the ones putting him out there, not the other way around.
It looks like we were the ones putting him out there, not the other way around.
Not what I heard... up to the point when we said we had an interested party.
It's basically what I told T2M in another thread- there are untouchables on any team- or this team- and not just Gordon. I would put Joe Thomas and Joe Haden in that category.
Rumor was the Donkeys dialed up the Browns about Thomas' availability after Clady went down for the year- and were told to take a backwards run down a ski jump in Breckenridge.
So now we can disagree in two threads...
I like Josh. Love his potential, but he is not an untouchable IMO. Not saying give him away, but...
Ya gotta take the calls...
I think it's going to be tough for any FO to offer fair market value for Gordon with his baggage.
The baggage is part of the value determination...
I agree we won't get offerred what he showed Sunday he is worth if he plays.
It's a tough call... tougher than the TR decision by far...
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Just my thought on Gordon....
How many players have been suspended 2-4 games for drug use?
How many players followed that up by being suspended the entire year following another test?
Almost zero. Barely anyone.
We are worrying about lightning strikes right now. If Gordon is suspended for an entire season it will be a massive deviation from the norm. It never happens. And odds are heavily favoring it not happening to Gordon.
Keep him around and let him do his Randy Moss impersonation on the field as long as he can IMO.
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