Sunday Football Overall Take
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@slowburn said:
P Manning continues to play at an amazing level. He is scary good with performances that continue to solidify the notion that he is the best to have played the game.
if we only had guys that were that dedicated to the game that they showed up early and stayed as late as the staff does.
manning has got to be off the charts in madden (no, don't know about it) but if you are in the film room when the guys show up in the morning and help them close up at night that's a stone cold harvard-like student of the game.
dud IS (at least) the smartest QB ever to play the game.
smarts is half the equation to play that position.
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P Manning continues to play at an amazing level. He is scary good with performances that continue to solidify the notion that he is the best QB to have played the game. At his current pace, his regular season, year end stats would look like this:
6096 passing yards
48 passing TD's
So far, his completion % is a mere 73%
If he wins one more super bowl the "best ever" will be more digestable
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P Manning continues to play at an amazing level. He is scary good with performances that continue to solidify the notion that he is the best QB to have played the game. At his current pace, his regular season, year end stats would look like this:
6096 passing yards
48 passing TD's
So far, his completion % is a mere 73%
If he wins one more super bowl the "best ever" will be more digestable
P Manning continues to play at an amazing level. He is scary good with performances that continue to solidify the notion that he is the best QB to have played the game. At his current pace, his regular season, year end stats would look like this:
6096 passing yards
48 passing TD's
So far, his completion % is a mere 73%
He might be the greatest Regular season QB of all-time, but he has not been very good in the Playoffs
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
I think the Niners don't want Kaepernick taking to many hits, and it seems like their offense isn't running like it did last year. They don't have the luxury of Alex Smith backing him up. They have Colt McCoy and they sure don't want that on the field
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I think the Niners don't want Kaepernick taking to many hits, and it seems like their offense isn't running like it did last year. They don't have the luxury of Alex Smith backing him up. They have Colt McCoy and they sure don't want that on the field
I think the Niners don't want Kaepernick taking to many hits, and it seems like their offense isn't running like it did last year. They don't have the luxury of Alex Smith backing him up. They have Colt McCoy and they sure don't want that on the field
Interesting point. Everybody had the Niners as the SB favorites....but they all ignored 40 years of history which says the Super Bowl loser really has a bad time of it the following year. And now that may be the case with the 49ers.
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@slowburn said:
P Manning continues to play at an amazing level. He is scary good with performances that continue to solidify the notion that he is the best to have played the game.
if we only had guys that were that dedicated to the game that they showed up early and stayed as late as the staff does.
manning has got to be off the charts in madden (no, don't know about it) but if you are in the film room when the guys show up in the morning and help them close up at night that's a stone cold harvard-like student of the game.
dud IS (at least) the smartest QB ever to play the game.
smarts is half the equation to play that position.
if we only had guys that were that dedicated to the game that they showed up early and stayed as late as the staff does.
manning has got to be off the charts in madden (no, don't know about it) but if you are in the film room when the guys show up in the morning and help them close up at night that's a stone cold harvard-like student of the game.
Manning, Brees, Brady are all 98's.
Rodgers is the only 99
dud IS (at least) the smartest QB ever to play the game.
smarts is half the equation to play that position.
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P Manning continues to play at an amazing level. He is scary good with performances that continue to solidify the notion that he is the best QB to have played the game. At his current pace, his regular season, year end stats would look like this:
6096 passing yards
48 passing TD's
So far, his completion % is a mere 73%
He might be the greatest Regular season QB of all-time, but he has not been very good in the Playoffs
He might be the greatest Regular season QB of all-time, but he has not been very good in the Playoffs
Peyton is 9-11 career in playoff games and SEVERAL of those games he had bad games with turnovers. I've said for years Peyton's legacy needs another super bowl ring for him to get the 'greatest of all time' tag. Hell, looking at playoff wings Flacco is markedly better. People get all pissy when I say it but Manning has only been mediocre in the crunch time throughout his career.
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He might be the greatest Regular season QB of all-time, but he has not been very good in the Playoffs
Peyton is 9-11 career in playoff games and SEVERAL of those games he had bad games with turnovers. I've said for years Peyton's legacy needs another super bowl ring for him to get the 'greatest of all time' tag. Hell, looking at playoff wings Flacco is markedly better. People get all pissy when I say it but Manning has only been mediocre in the crunch time throughout his career.
Peyton is 9-11 career in playoff games and SEVERAL of those games he had bad games with turnovers. I've said for years Peyton's legacy needs another super bowl ring for him to get the 'greatest of all time' tag. Hell, looking at playoff wings Flacco is markedly better. People get all pissy when I say it but Manning has only been mediocre in the crunch time throughout his career.
As far as "greatest of all time", statistically, Manning is still far behind Favre in most statistical categories: He is 11,000 yards behind, 1100 completions behind, 60 TDs behind. It will take him at least 2-3 years of prime production to pass those numbers.
And right now, both Favre and P.Manning have one SB win and one SB loss.
So, I am not prepared to say that P. Manning is either the greatest regular season QB of all time nor the greatest overall..
The numbers don't support it. The Championships don't support it.
I would not place him above the likes of Joe Montana with his 4 rings, or Brady with his 3 + 5 appearances.
(If the other Manning brother had not pulled off a couple of fluky wins vs. Brady, is there any doubt if TB had 5 SB titles that he would be no doubt considered the greatest?)
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Peyton is 9-11 career in playoff games and SEVERAL of those games he had bad games with turnovers. I've said for years Peyton's legacy needs another super bowl ring for him to get the 'greatest of all time' tag. Hell, looking at playoff wings Flacco is markedly better. People get all pissy when I say it but Manning has only been mediocre in the crunch time throughout his career.
As far as "greatest of all time", statistically, Manning is still far behind Favre in most statistical categories: He is 11,000 yards behind, 1100 completions behind, 60 TDs behind. It will take him at least 2-3 years of prime production to pass those numbers.
And right now, both Favre and P.Manning have one SB win and one SB loss.
So, I am not prepared to say that P. Manning is either the greatest regular season QB of all time nor the greatest overall..
The numbers don't support it. The Championships don't support it.
I would not place him above the likes of Joe Montana with his 4 rings, or Brady with his 3 + 5 appearances.
(If the other Manning brother had not pulled off a couple of fluky wins vs. Brady, is there any doubt if TB had 5 SB titles that he would be no doubt considered the greatest?)
As far as "greatest of all time", statistically, Manning is still far behind Favre in most statistical categories: He is 11,000 yards behind, 1100 completions behind, 60 TDs behind. It will take him at least 2-3 years of prime production to pass those numbers.
And right now, both Favre and P.Manning have one SB win and one SB loss.
So, I am not prepared to say that P. Manning is either the greatest regular season QB of all time nor the greatest overall..
The numbers don't support it. The Championships don't support it.
I would not place him above the likes of Joe Montana with his 4 rings, or Brady with his 3 + 5 appearances.
(If the other Manning brother had not pulled off a couple of fluky wins vs. Brady, is there any doubt if TB had 5 SB titles that he would be no doubt considered the greatest?)
I know Brett was around forever and a day. Do you have any comparisons in the number of games played? Or even in the same number of years. Just curious.
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As far as "greatest of all time", statistically, Manning is still far behind Favre in most statistical categories: He is 11,000 yards behind, 1100 completions behind, 60 TDs behind. It will take him at least 2-3 years of prime production to pass those numbers.
And right now, both Favre and P.Manning have one SB win and one SB loss.
So, I am not prepared to say that P. Manning is either the greatest regular season QB of all time nor the greatest overall..
The numbers don't support it. The Championships don't support it.
I would not place him above the likes of Joe Montana with his 4 rings, or Brady with his 3 + 5 appearances.
(If the other Manning brother had not pulled off a couple of fluky wins vs. Brady, is there any doubt if TB had 5 SB titles that he would be no doubt considered the greatest?)
I know Brett was around forever and a day. Do you have any comparisons in the number of games played? Or even in the same number of years. Just curious.
I know Brett was around forever and a day. Do you have any comparisons in the number of games played? Or even in the same number of years. Just curious.
Uh, sure:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm
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Peyton is 9-11 career in playoff games and SEVERAL of those games he had bad games with turnovers. I've said for years Peyton's legacy needs another super bowl ring for him to get the 'greatest of all time' tag. Hell, looking at playoff wings Flacco is markedly better. People get all pissy when I say it but Manning has only been mediocre in the crunch time throughout his career.
As far as "greatest of all time", statistically, Manning is still far behind Favre in most statistical categories: He is 11,000 yards behind, 1100 completions behind, 60 TDs behind. It will take him at least 2-3 years of prime production to pass those numbers.
And right now, both Favre and P.Manning have one SB win and one SB loss.
So, I am not prepared to say that P. Manning is either the greatest regular season QB of all time nor the greatest overall..
The numbers don't support it. The Championships don't support it.
I would not place him above the likes of Joe Montana with his 4 rings, or Brady with his 3 + 5 appearances.
(If the other Manning brother had not pulled off a couple of fluky wins vs. Brady, is there any doubt if TB had 5 SB titles that he would be no doubt considered the greatest?)
As far as "greatest of all time", statistically, Manning is still far behind Favre in most statistical categories: He is 11,000 yards behind, 1100 completions behind, 60 TDs behind. It will take him at least 2-3 years of prime production to pass those numbers.
And right now, both Favre and P.Manning have one SB win and one SB loss.
So, I am not prepared to say that P. Manning is either the greatest regular season QB of all time nor the greatest overall..
The numbers don't support it. The Championships don't support it.
I would not place him above the likes of Joe Montana with his 4 rings, or Brady with his 3 + 5 appearances.
(If the other Manning brother had not pulled off a couple of fluky wins vs. Brady, is there any doubt if TB had 5 SB titles that he would be no doubt considered the greatest?)
I don't disagree with anything you say there. I more meant right now with his playoff record and lone super bowl win there's several guys I'd place above him (that you've named above). I just don't get how people seem to look past the guys shaky postseason play like it's no big deal. To get into that greatest of all time conversation there's no way one can have a losing playoff record.
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As far as "greatest of all time", statistically, Manning is still far behind Favre in most statistical categories: He is 11,000 yards behind, 1100 completions behind, 60 TDs behind. It will take him at least 2-3 years of prime production to pass those numbers.
And right now, both Favre and P.Manning have one SB win and one SB loss.
So, I am not prepared to say that P. Manning is either the greatest regular season QB of all time nor the greatest overall..
The numbers don't support it. The Championships don't support it.
I would not place him above the likes of Joe Montana with his 4 rings, or Brady with his 3 + 5 appearances.
(If the other Manning brother had not pulled off a couple of fluky wins vs. Brady, is there any doubt if TB had 5 SB titles that he would be no doubt considered the greatest?)
I don't disagree with anything you say there. I more meant right now with his playoff record and lone super bowl win there's several guys I'd place above him (that you've named above). I just don't get how people seem to look past the guys shaky postseason play like it's no big deal. To get into that greatest of all time conversation there's no way one can have a losing playoff record.
I don't disagree with anything you say there. I more meant right now with his playoff record and lone super bowl win there's several guys I'd place above him (that you've named above). I just don't get how people seem to look past the guys shaky postseason play like it's no big deal. To get into that greatest of all time conversation there's no way one can have a losing playoff record.
Yea, its not like you can compare him to Otto Graham or Bart Starr even in that regard.
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Mannings post season record will keep him from being the greatest of all time. At least for now. 9-11 in the playoffs is not good enough to be considered the GOAT. Plus he's been in the playoffs 12 times and has lost the first game 8 times. He has won playoff games in only 4 different seasons
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