Government Shutdown Over Obamacare
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Let them shut it down. Let's get real: its not as if they work anyway.
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I was working for the VA the last shut down. I was declared an essential employee and had to work. If you were declared unessential you were sent home. But you were payed for all the time you were off anyway as soon as the budget was passed. So it is a farce. People will end up getting free vacations.
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If anyone sees a unemployed government worker tell them to turn in their smart phones.
we are no longer paying them for FREE cell phone services.
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Well a friend of mine says she isn't going to get paid. She works for the CDC, you know that organization that tries to keep epidemics from killing us all.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
No doubt that each and every slight problem with someone's paycheck will be all over the news. It's impossible to look at this situation without viewing it through the prism of demagoguery. Just like the sequester. The fiscal cliff. Again nobody can talk about anything without it being a matter of catastrophe.
And you must admit that it's ironic to hear these guys crying that Obamacare was legally passed under the rules and regulations of the US government and then bitch like little girls when the same system puts the kibosh on extending the credit...
WSS
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well put Steve
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Well a friend of mine says she isn't going to get paid. She works for the CDC, you know that organization that tries to keep epidemics from killing us all.
Well a friend of mine says she isn't going to get paid. She works for the CDC, you know that organization that tries to keep epidemics from killing us all.
All I can tell you is when Clinton was President and the same thing happened (I think 1994?) the people who were sent home, did get paid eventually when they returned to work. My friend was harassing me because he was off for awhile and still got paid for it.
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How on earth does it come to this? I mean, if the government can't agree on how to change something, you leave it in place until there's an agreed upon policy? If there's no agreed upon changes, you don't change things. How does this affect things like the CDC and all the other government funded organisations? Does it include things like garbage collection? Public transport? The army?
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How on earth does it come to this? I mean, if the government can't agree on how to change something, you leave it in place until there's an agreed upon policy? If there's no agreed upon changes, you don't change things. How does this affect things like the CDC and all the other government funded organisations? Does it include things like garbage collection? Public transport? The army?
How on earth does it come to this? I mean, if the government can't agree on how to change something, you leave it in place until there's an agreed upon policy? If there's no agreed upon changes, you don't change things. How does this affect things like the CDC and all the other government funded organisations? Does it include things like garbage collection? Public transport? The army?
It happened because Americans continue to elect people who are at the extreme fringes of their respective parties. It's the Repubs who turned 'compromise' into a bad word, even though it is just what the doctor ordered here. As a result, the people most capable of coming to agreements with each other have either retired in frustration or have been elected out of office. The Republican Brotherhood has hijacked that party, and until American voters punish them in the next election, we only have ourselves to blame.
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How on earth does it come to this? I mean, if the government can't agree on how to change something, you leave it in place until there's an agreed upon policy? If there's no agreed upon changes, you don't change things. How does this affect things like the CDC and all the other government funded organisations? Does it include things like garbage collection? Public transport? The army?
How on earth does it come to this? I mean, if the government can't agree on how to change something, you leave it in place until there's an agreed upon policy? If there's no agreed upon changes, you don't change things. How does this affect things like the CDC and all the other government funded organisations? Does it include things like garbage collection? Public transport? The army?
It doesn't affect local or State government. Public Transportation is local, likewise garbage collection. Doesn't affect Defense. Those agencies considered 'essential' will continue.
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How on earth does it come to this? I mean, if the government can't agree on how to change something, you leave it in place until there's an agreed upon policy? If there's no agreed upon changes, you don't change things. How does this affect things like the CDC and all the other government funded organisations? Does it include things like garbage collection? Public transport? The army?
It happened because Americans continue to elect people who are at the extreme fringes of their respective parties. It's the Repubs who turned 'compromise' into a bad word, even though it is just what the doctor ordered here. As a result, the people most capable of coming to agreements with each other have either retired in frustration or have been elected out of office. The Republican Brotherhood has hijacked that party, and until American voters punish them in the next election, we only have ourselves to blame.
It happened because Americans continue to elect people who are at the extreme fringes of their respective parties. It's the Repubs who turned 'compromise' into a bad word, even though it is just what the doctor ordered here. As a result, the people most capable of coming to agreements with each other have either retired in frustration or have been elected out of office. The Republican Brotherhood has hijacked that party, and until American voters punish them in the next election, we only have ourselves to blame.
yea your outed as a liberal....
first noting the MMCC issue in the other thread as having all of us bow the knee to the scientist priests in the UN church of the burning world....
and here you tow the party line on the evils of conservative's "dissent" to the failed bill to keep the gvt running? seriously?
how bad is it for you libs? you got a majority and still cant run the place lol
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Didn't the president just say that he had no intentions of compromise? Didn't I just hear a tirade from Chuck Schumer saying the exact same thing?
Let's be honest, Osiris. Compromise to you people is doing what you want.
WSS
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Osiris ? Surely that means Heck, as in all totally drenched in Egypt !!! @@
That's the Dem manipulative slant, KGB style. Say your opponent won't compromise, when
you really refuse to compromise yourself, but arrogantly and dishonestly projecting your
behavior as a cya "framing" of the opponent as guilty of same.
It's all so corrupt, this liberal mindset. And Osiris, and Heck, one and the same maybe,
are/is ? all waterballooned in Egypt.
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I don't know who Heck is, so you can lay that to rest.
Fact is as a social conservative i voted for GWB way back when on his first term. I vote on the issues and the candidates, not the party. On recent events in egypt, it is the repubs who had it right, not the pro Muslim Brotherhood dems, and in tihs case, it is the repubs who are wrong. Feel free to believe what you want, though.
And who said I agreed with Obama if he said he isn't willing to compromise? You guys are masters at projecting your stereotypes on people you hardly know. I do agree that holding up the budget because you want to fight obamacare is a poor tactic that is going to backfire on republicans, as many moderate republicans are already saying. Fact is the Republicans made the same mistake they made during the Clinton administration by forcing a government shutdown. They are going to pay for it in the next election.
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there has been 17 government shutdowns. so what!
who gives a shit you still better pay your taxes when it is all said and done, the government whores and lazy asses need your money so they can live the life you dream of having for you're family.
i hope you obama lovers enjoy communism.
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I don't know who Heck is, so you can lay that to rest.
Fact is as a social conservative i voted for GWB way back when on his first term. I vote on the issues and the candidates, not the party. On recent events in egypt, it is the repubs who had it right, not the pro Muslim Brotherhood dems, and in tihs case, it is the repubs who are wrong. Feel free to believe what you want, though.
And who said I agreed with Obama if he said he isn't willing to compromise? You guys are masters at projecting your stereotypes on people you hardly know. I do agree that holding up the budget because you want to fight obamacare is a poor tactic that is going to backfire on republicans, as many moderate republicans are already saying. Fact is the Republicans made the same mistake they made during the Clinton administration by forcing a government shutdown. They are going to pay for it in the next election.
I don't know who Heck is, so you can lay that to rest.
Fact is as a social conservative i voted for GWB way back when on his first term. I vote on the issues and the candidates, not the party. On recent events in egypt, it is the repubs who had it right, not the pro Muslim Brotherhood dems, and in tihs case, it is the repubs who are wrong. Feel free to believe what you want, though.
And who said I agreed with Obama if he said he isn't willing to compromise? You guys are masters at projecting your stereotypes on people you hardly know. I do agree that holding up the budget because you want to fight obamacare is a poor tactic that is going to backfire on republicans, as many moderate republicans are already saying. Fact is the Republicans made the same mistake they made during the Clinton administration by forcing a government shutdown. They are going to pay for it in the next election.
Well you actually did say that it was the Republicans refused to compromise so... And it was a much different scene back during the Clinton administration. Today I think more people realize that Obama is as responsible for whatever catastrophe the shutdown might bring. Personally I don't think there will be any real catastrophe but I'm sure the media with its zeal to shock people will make it seem that way.
WSS
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I don't know who Heck is, so you can lay that to rest.
Fact is as a social conservative i voted for GWB way back when on his first term. I vote on the issues and the candidates, not the party. On recent events in egypt, it is the repubs who had it right, not the pro Muslim Brotherhood dems, and in tihs case, it is the repubs who are wrong. Feel free to believe what you want, though.
And who said I agreed with Obama if he said he isn't willing to compromise? You guys are masters at projecting your stereotypes on people you hardly know. I do agree that holding up the budget because you want to fight obamacare is a poor tactic that is going to backfire on republicans, as many moderate republicans are already saying. Fact is the Republicans made the same mistake they made during the Clinton administration by forcing a government shutdown. They are going to pay for it in the next election.
Well you actually did say that it was the Republicans refused to compromise so... And it was a much different scene back during the Clinton administration. Today I think more people realize that Obama is as responsible for whatever catastrophe the shutdown might bring. Personally I don't think there will be any real catastrophe but I'm sure the media with its zeal to shock people will make it seem that way.
WSS
Well you actually did say that it was the Republicans refused to compromise so... And it was a much different scene back during the Clinton administration. Today I think more people realize that Obama is as responsible for whatever catastrophe the shutdown might bring. Personally I don't think there will be any real catastrophe but I'm sure the media with its zeal to shock people will make it seem that way.
WSS
They do refuse to compromise, as do the Dems. Personally I think the Dems should throw the Republicans a bone and let them save face (polls show most Americans blame Republicans for this, and perception is everything in politics, whether or not you agree that they are largely at fault) by agreeing to cut the medical device tax. And I agree, I don't think there will be any real catastrophe unless the shutdown is prolonged. People still are getting unpaid, my friend at the CDC for one, who said she will NOT be getting any back-pay either.
You know who shouldn't get paid, but will? Congress. Their salaries ought to be withheld until they pass a budget.
And yes, the media does, and always will, sensationalize everything.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Well you actually did say that it was the Republicans refused to compromise so... And it was a much different scene back during the Clinton administration. Today I think more people realize that Obama is as responsible for whatever catastrophe the shutdown might bring. Personally I don't think there will be any real catastrophe but I'm sure the media with its zeal to shock people will make it seem that way.
WSS
They do refuse to compromise, as do the Dems. Personally I think the Dems should throw the Republicans a bone and let them save face (polls show most Americans blame Republicans for this, and perception is everything in politics, whether or not you agree that they are largely at fault) by agreeing to cut the medical device tax. And I agree, I don't think there will be any real catastrophe unless the shutdown is prolonged. People still are getting unpaid, my friend at the CDC for one, who said she will NOT be getting any back-pay either.
You know who shouldn't get paid, but will? Congress. Their salaries ought to be withheld until they pass a budget.
And yes, the media does, and always will, sensationalize everything.
They will end up getting back pay just like before: Republicans Split On Whether To Give Back Pay To Workers Furloughed In Government ShutdownThey do refuse to compromise, as do the Dems. Personally I think the Dems should throw the Republicans a bone and let them save face (polls show most Americans blame Republicans for this, and perception is everything in politics, whether or not you agree that they are largely at fault) by agreeing to cut the medical device tax. And I agree, I don't think there will be any real catastrophe unless the shutdown is prolonged. People still are getting unpaid, my friend at the CDC for one, who said she will NOT be getting any back-pay either.
You know who shouldn't get paid, but will? Congress. Their salaries ought to be withheld until they pass a budget.
And yes, the media does, and always will, sensationalize everything.
Posted: 10/01/2013 5:23 pm EDT | Updated: 10/01/2013 6:35 pm EDT
WASHINGTON -- If and when the federal government reopens for business, congressional lawmakers will have to decide whether or not to retroactively pay federal workers for the time they were out of work. So far, Republicans appear split on the question of back pay for furloughed civil servants -- even though members of Congress are guaranteed to get paid regardless.
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said she would support such a measure. "They're being furloughed for no fault of their own, and this is very poor policy," she said.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) agreed. "Oh, of course," he said when asked by HuffPost if he would support back pay legislation. "Why penalize these good people for our malfeasance?"
The Arizona Republican even predicted that it wouldn't be too difficult to get a bill retroactively paying federal workers through Congress.
But some of McCain's colleagues weren't so sure federal workers should be made whole for their lost time.
"I think it's way too early to even consider that, but again we're $7 trillion more in the hole now than we were [in 1995-1996]," said Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.). "It makes it that much more difficult."
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) also raised the issue of the national debt, signaling what might prevent many Republicans from getting on board.
"I think there would be less chance of that now considering the great big budget deficit we have now," Grassley said. "We're in a much worse situation."
So how would he vote if a measure were brought to floor to back pay federal employees?
"I would not make a judgment at this point," Grassley responded.
Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) and Tim Scott (R-S.C.) also said it was too early for them to make a determination, while Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said he "probably" would support the move.
Back pay for furlough days requires an act of Congress once a shutdown ends. During the last shutdown, in 1995 and 1996, lawmakers decided to pay workers after the fact. But with a Congress that's focused on deficit reduction -- and that's already furloughed many workers this year through the automatic budget cuts known as sequestration -- plenty of federal employees are bracing themselves for a rebuff from lawmakers.
Declining to grant workers back pay may seem callous -- particularly for a Congress that's immune to furlough -- but the federal workforce seems to have few vocal backers on Capitol Hill these days. In addition to the furlough days created by sequestration, lawmakers have imposed a 3-year freeze on cost-of-living raises for federal workers, arguing that everyone needs to tighten their belts.
While it's unclear just how many Senate Republicans would be willing to grant back pay to employees, the upper chamber has shown more willingness to coalesce around some major pieces of legislation. The real obstacle could lie in the GOP-controlled House, where a combative right flank has rejected many bills over the issue of spending. House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) had to rely on Democrats to pass arelief package for Hurricane Sandy earlier this year, and a traditionally bipartisan farm bill collapsed in July because conservatives opposed the amount spent on food stamps.
On Tuesday, nine Democrats and three Republicans in the House proposed a bill that would pay federal workers retroactively. Not surprisingly, all of the bi-partisan sponsors hailed from D.C., Maryland and Virginia, where many constituents are federal employees who stand to lose their paychecks. Rep. John Delaney (D-Md.), one of the lead sponsors of the Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act, said in a statement that "hard-working civil servants shouldnโt be collateral damage in an ideological battle."
Notably, the House Republicans who've signed on as sponsors appear far more uncomfortable with the shutdown than their tea party colleagues, since they represent districts heavy with federal workers and defense contractors who've already been hit by sequestration. These representatives might have a hard time convincing colleagues further to their right to support paying federal workers for time they weren't on the job.
One of them, Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.), even called Tuesday for House leadership to throw in the towel and vote on a clean continuing resolution to fund the government in order to end the shutdown -- something most of his colleagues have so far been unwilling to do.
"Republicans fought the good fight," Rigell said in a statement. โThe time has come to pass a clean [continuing resolution] to reopen the government.โ
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