So Kiko isn't being fined?

letsgojackets

Show the other sideline angle and it looks worse. Helmet to helmet no matter how you slice it. Dude bones him right in the side of the head.

cdl15

Quit begging

letsgojackets

@cdl15 said:
Quit begging

Fuck off.

letsgojackets

Can't find it anyway but I guess I'm wrong. We'll see Tuesday...

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Quit bitching. It was a clean hit.

Nobody said shit about when Gipson dove for Manuel's knees.

I swear, some of you little girls will whine about anything.

miktoxic

i didn't like the hit ONLY because i'm a fan of the team which it had affected.

that being said the hit didn't put hoyer out for the season. either it's a bad field and his cleats got caught up in it and made his slide look like a bad movie, where you know something bad is going to happen but you just don't know how bad it is. or he just had a huge brain fart and went about his slide the wrong way.

i personally will root against this guy for the rest of his career, but that doesn't mean it was an illegal hit. like i had said before he reminds me of a roided up polygirl.

BUT if he were on our team and we were dissecting the video like you want to do, i guarantee your view might be different.

i hate ray lewis (hate....it's a strong word) dislike ray lewis very much but he had played for the browns his jersey would be stained and worn out by now.

if he gets fined i'll be shocked.

cdl15

Its not like the kids payton or brady. He hasn't even earned the right to slide yey

letsgojackets

I'm not winning this one am I lol? ah well go Browns!

calfoxwc

Gipson led with his shoulder.

Kiko clearly led with his helmet. Hoyer shouldn't have slid like that - if he hadn't, he'd probly be okay.

But leading with the helmet is not a clean, legal hit on a defenseless player.

If Kiko had simply led with his shoulder, it would have been fine.

That's just how I see it. We'll see if he gets fined or not.

miktoxic

well from what i remember didn't he also do a troy polygirl jump the line at the QB move right as the ball was snapped?

polygirl does that every game abd has never been fined. i thought 'launching' yourself with helmet first was the big no no nowadays?

so if you launch yourself with your arms out in front of you but still make contact with your helmet first shouldn't that be a fine? (not saying that is what happened in the hoyer hit....i thought that was clean)....even though the guy is a roided up dick.

Lambert_58

It could go either way. What speaks against a fine is that Alonso dropped to that level practically simultaneously with Brian doing the same. He could not have predicted that. These guys have to make millisecond decisions when making their plays. That said, and what speaks for a fine, is the poor tackling tecnique that he used. It is more of a late lead with helmet dive than a clean arm wrap up attempt.

calfoxwc, I mostly agree with what you said except for the "defenseless player" part. A quarterback, when deciding to scramble, is not a defenseless player just because he´s a quarterback.

At any rate I wish both Brian and EJ quick recoveries.

Lambert_58

@letsgojackets said:

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Can't find it anyway but I guess I'm wrong. We'll see Tuesday...

I think the top one here is what you are referring to: http://thebiglead.com/2013/10/03/brian-hoyer-took-a-hard-hit-from-kiko-alonso-appeared-to-twist-knee/

Sorry, can´t figure out how to enbed that here like Vapor Trail did.

Tour2ma

Hate to see either QB injured, but...

Both were clean hits.

Both were unfortunate injuries.

letsgojackets

@lambert_58 said:

I think the top one here is what you are referring to: http://thebiglead.com/2013/10/03/brian-hoyer-took-a-hard-hit-from-kiko-alonso-appeared-to-twist-knee/

Sorry, can´t figure out how to enbed that here like Vapor Trail did.

Oh wow. Imagine that Kiko looks up and then crowns him. Sorry for the shitty thread guys Vaportrail has put me in my place. I won't start any threads from now on. Go Browns.

D Bone

You've been..........Vaporized

VaporTrail

@letsgojackets said:
Oh wow. Imagine that Kiko looks up and then crowns him. Sorry for the shitty thread guys Vaportrail has put me in my place. I won't start any threads from now on. Go Browns.

You have no idea what you're talking about, you can see that he lines up for his ribs at the same time Hoyer decides to drop. It was definitely helmet to helmet, so there is an argument for a flag, but it was clearly not intentional so there's no cogent argument for a fine. Why are you still whining about it?

FairHooker11

@slowburn said:
that's what kiko is paid to do. he won't get fined for a legal hit. if anything he will get a bonus check for a job well done

is Greg Williams back as D coordinator? lol

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Had Hoyer not slid, it would a been a near textbook hit to the ribs, minus Kiko not wrapping up.

However, Hoyer chose to slide instead of stepping out of bounds, which means Kiko hit him higher.

A unfortunate injury, but a clean hit. No fines.

The Gipper

@vaportrail said:

You have no idea what you're talking about, you can see that he lines up for his ribs at the same time Hoyer decides to drop. It was definitely helmet to helmet, so there is an argument for a flag, but it was clearly not intentional so there's no cogent argument for a fine. Why are you still whining about it?

Actually, this view gives me a new perspective on it. Again, the hit to the head had nothing to do with causing the injury...but it is a fact that he does lower his head in order to make helmet to helmet contact.

That is clear to me.

What may also be apparent is that he is allowed to do this...one Hoyer breaks contain and starts to scramble he loses his protection and is just another runner....who, apparently under the rules, can be the subject of a helmet to helmet hit.

Remember the James Harrison hit on Josh Cribbs a couple of years back? He planted the crown of his helmet into Cribb's helmet.....no penalty, no fine, no nothing. This is apparently the same sort of thing.

calfoxwc

You can lead with your helmet? Surely that can't be.... I understand that he's a runner...

but spearing anybody with the helmet surely isn't legal.