Force the debt limit, NO INCREASES
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I don't have a problem with eliminating wasteful spending in the military. Anybody who's been there, has
seen that wasteful spending.
But that doesn't solve our debt problem much at all. We are already seeing the ME starting to
fall apart. Cutting our defenses will encourage disaster in several parts of the globe.
Nukes are a deterrent to being nuked. That's pretty much all MAD is. Another country invades,
nukes start nuclear war.
And a lot of these wars are going to be by proxy. Hezbollah is an example. Who ya going to nuke?
Trimming back is a good thing, but I see wasteful spending across the board by this regime. $$$$$$$ are flying
into lib causes like solyndra and syria, and the all powerful 1984 Obamaocare, and entitlements
have skyrocketed, food stamps have what...doubled? And we are 16+ TRILLION in debt?
So, we're supposed to keep spending ourselves into devastation, crash as a country, so the rest of the world
can also continue to be free to spend... Where does it all end?
In a bad place. The laws of economics will catch up with a country every single time the point of no return is breached.
We are getting there fast. We just can't keep spending like this anymore. It must stop now. Cutting miliatry spending,
to redirect even more spending towards entitlements, creating a far more giant dependent subculture
just makes for more spending.
I think everybody needs to start planning for emergency food and funds to live on. Contingency plans
if we crash. EXperts are saying this now. It's where we are heading.
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We have treaties with countries and that is why there are bases. We need 'boots on ground' globally as our socialist allies prefer to spend their money on free health care, etc. Why do you think they willingly let us have bases in their country? And if you think wars will be settled with missiles your a fool. MAD is still in existence. Most of the expenses of base are paid for by the host country, such as Japan which pays for the buildings, housing, etc. No cuts, increase I say.
Let's keep the discussion on ideas (cut or spend on military), not on the people discussing them ("And if you think wars will be settled with missiles your a fool").
I know MAD is still in existence, that was my point. Because of the threat of MAD, no one is going to invade a country that has nuclear missiles. That's one reason Iran wants them so badly, because none of their neighbors (except Syria) like them. The quality of our current military hardware is light years ahead of anyone else, meaning we maintain a military advantage even with fewer troops/tanks/jets/bombers. Heck the F-15, a 1970s technology, has never been shot down in air-to-air combat, yet has shot down dozens of fighters. The Cold-War Doctrine of quality over quantity (Russia observed quantity over quality) has served the USA well, and we can afford to rely more on our technology and less on boots on the ground.
And while the host country may pay for the base facility, they are not paying for the personnel salaries, training, supplies, military hardware, maintenance, etc. The employees in any organization are one of the biggest expenses, and I doubt the military is any different.
Let's keep the discussion on ideas (cut or spend on military), not on the people discussing them ("And if you think wars will be settled with missiles your a fool").
I know MAD is still in existence, that was my point. Because of the threat of MAD, no one is going to invade a country that has nuclear missiles. That's one reason Iran wants them so badly, because none of their neighbors (except Syria) like them. The quality of our current military hardware is light years ahead of anyone else, meaning we maintain a military advantage even with fewer troops/tanks/jets/bombers. Heck the F-15, a 1970s technology, has never been shot down in air-to-air combat, yet has shot down dozens of fighters. The Cold-War Doctrine of quality over quantity (Russia observed quantity over quality) has served the USA well, and we can afford to rely more on our technology and less on boots on the ground.
And while the host country may pay for the base facility, they are not paying for the personnel salaries, training, supplies, military hardware, maintenance, etc. The employees in any organization are one of the biggest expenses, and I doubt the military is any different.
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Osirus - we've always spoken of the good that cutting wasteful spending in the military.
But it's odd you silly people never want to talk about the wasteful spending in entitlements.
Fraud. Food stamp fraud. Welfare fraud.
A lot of us are about both. Some only want to cut wasteful spending in parts of gov they don't support.
Right there, is a glaring problem with the left - contradicting their own alleged principles. They flip flop
more than a catfish out of water....
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Osirus - we've always spoken of the good that cutting wasteful spending in the military.
But it's odd you silly people never want to talk about the wasteful spending in entitlements.
Fraud. Food stamp fraud. Welfare fraud.
A lot of us are about both. Some only want to cut wasteful spending in parts of gov they don't support.
Right there, is a glaring problem with the left - contradicting their own alleged principles. They flip flop
more than a catfish out of water....
Osirus - we've always spoken of the good that cutting wasteful spending in the military.
But it's odd you silly people never want to talk about the wasteful spending in entitlements.
Fraud. Food stamp fraud. Welfare fraud.
A lot of us are about both. Some only want to cut wasteful spending in parts of gov they don't support.
Right there, is a glaring problem with the left - contradicting their own alleged principles. They flip flop
more than a catfish out of water....
What proof do you have of this? Do you work for SNAP?
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Osirus - we've always spoken of the good that cutting wasteful spending in the military.
But it's odd you silly people never want to talk about the wasteful spending in entitlements.
Fraud. Food stamp fraud. Welfare fraud.
A lot of us are about both. Some only want to cut wasteful spending in parts of gov they don't support.
Right there, is a glaring problem with the left - contradicting their own alleged principles. They flip flop
more than a catfish out of water....
Osirus - we've always spoken of the good that cutting wasteful spending in the military.
But it's odd you silly people never want to talk about the wasteful spending in entitlements.
Fraud. Food stamp fraud. Welfare fraud.
A lot of us are about both. Some only want to cut wasteful spending in parts of gov they don't support.
Right there, is a glaring problem with the left - contradicting their own alleged principles. They flip flop
more than a catfish out of water....
I already said there should be cuts to both military and welfare waste. You'd just need to read earlier posts in this thread.
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Yes, I know;. I was referring to what you said here:
"We've gone from 'don't cut military spending' to 'let's cut what isn't needed' and suddenly our opinions aren't so far apart, as it comes down to deciding what's needed and not needed. "
I read it, as you are saying we never talked about cutting wasteful spending in the military, but now we are.
That's just not true.
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Notice how he didn't address his food stamps conspiracy when questioned...
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Notice woodykoala is still screwing up threads with boring, off subject crap.
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Notice how Cal is still an idiot
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If you aren't shitting on dirty liberals you're probably a dirty liberal. And since the overwhelming majority of real America aren't dirty liberals, we're probably the same person
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I prefer to think of it as you have split personalities.
Probably a lot like a michigan student buttcrack.
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I prefer to think of it as you have split personalities.
Probably a lot like a michigan student buttcrack.
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Yes, I know;. I was referring to what you said here:
"We've gone from 'don't cut military spending' to 'let's cut what isn't needed' and suddenly our opinions aren't so far apart, as it comes down to deciding what's needed and not needed. "
I read it, as you are saying we never talked about cutting wasteful spending in the military, but now we are.
That's just not true.
Yes, I know;. I was referring to what you said here:
"We've gone from 'don't cut military spending' to 'let's cut what isn't needed' and suddenly our opinions aren't so far apart, as it comes down to deciding what's needed and not needed. "
I read it, as you are saying we never talked about cutting wasteful spending in the military, but now we are.
That's just not true.
Perhaps you have, but DieHardBrownsFan said we should increase, not decrease, military spending, and it was to his original comment that I was responding to.
Anyway, everyone ought to get off the dirty liberals/dirty republicans shtick. Unless everyone is using it as some sort of catharsis, it isn't productive. What's the point in hating each other here? We're all Browns fans, right?
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Not if you're a liberal, queer. Then you're woodenhorseypeckerpoopyface!
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Not if you're a liberal, queer. Then you're woodenhorseypeckerpoopyface!
Not if you're a liberal, queer. Then you're woodenhorseypeckerpoopyface!
GOT EM!
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Okay, things are getting out of hand here.
Os, good post. In the -right way-, I would also increase military spending in certain
areas..
after our budget is more under control.
And Cysko, you aren't allowed to be funny - I forgot what I was going to post, dammit. LOL
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