Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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Who even said Bridgewater, Mariota, Manziel, or Hundley are even going to enter the draft this year? Bridgewater is a junior, and the rest are RS Sophomores.
I think they are going to come out because they don't want to risk what happened to Matt Barkley. They don't want to come back for another year in CFB and risk injury or a bad season to hurt their draft status.
Totally true. Agents are going to tell QBs to come out if they get a top 20 grade, period.
I think they are going to come out because they don't want to risk what happened to Matt Barkley. They don't want to come back for another year in CFB and risk injury or a bad season to hurt their draft status.
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I'm a Boyd fanatic. Love the quick release and big arm... and like Bridgewater, he's a locker room plus and a natural leader. Great teammate. Can move but is a passer first and foremost.
Mariota's intriguing because he seems a little freaky in the combo department and has height. To be that fast and throw that well is really rare. I do worry about Duck QBs... and the dream match seems to be Philly. I could see them trading up to get him and then trading Nick Foles (off a very good year) to someone like the Browns, Bucs, or Jags. Browns have the luxury of two #1s.
In fact, I think Foles might be the only guy who would stop the Browns from drafting a QB #1. They could get him with their second first round pick. Don't doubt the price tag. You'll see. Kid is way more mobile and athletic than his 40 time suggests. Huge with an NFL arm and a natural feel for the game.
For what it's worth, David Fales is the draftable QB who reminds me most of Hoyer. I think he'll go round 3-ish.
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For a national perspective, the CBS guys say Mariota passed a huge test yesterday and is similar to Kaepernick but more advanced at this point in his career. That screams top 10... and they have him at #2 and #7.
The Browns would draft 13th right now and would have to trade up to get Boyd.
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Guys, that's why the Browns added another first round pick. They said as much. They have a shitload of extra picks to move up in the draft and get their guy. I think everybody knows that's the plan. If it's a secret, it's the worst kept secret in the NFL.
If the Browns have the 14th and 24th picks in the first round, they also have an extra 3rd round pick. Those three can get you up around #5-ish... and they'll still pick in every round.
Plus, in a QB draft this deep, even moving up to 8th would give them a lot of choices. Not everybody's pickin' a QB.
Oakland, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee? Who said that? No, none of those teams will be picking quarterbacks in round 1. Jax, TB, and Cleveland? The obvious three. I'd slot Bridgewater, Mariota, and Boyd in some order.
Adoug, please use the enter key once in a while...
If the Browns have the 14th and 24th picks in the first round, they also have an extra 3rd round pick. Those three can get you up around #5-ish... and they'll still pick in every round.
Barring any compettivie offers might move as high as 4th with that 1/1/3 package, but it ignores interest from other teams.
PIT: might be looking into a Big Ben-less future
OAK: Flynn tanked, Pryor might tank too
TEN: wouldn't shock me, if Locker has some serious long term effects
Plus, you forgot AZ and MIN.
Agree on first 3...
- PTG could pull trigger if guy is there they'd like to succeed Ben.
- OAK may love Aaron, and he has surprised me, but honest appraisal should see limited upside from here with Kaepernick like 2nd year success...
- TN situation is similar to ours.... Locker has more game experience than Hoyer, but as with Brian he really just started showing potential to be "the guy" when he got hurt.
AZ and MN are far less likely, unless they really like one of the QB's coming out and/or their circumstance changes dramatically in next 3 months.
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My point is that a lot of those teams won't draft top 10... and those who do won't draft a quarterback there when they won't need a a starter for a few years. You draft that guy in round 2 or 3, like an Osweiler. You don't wanna spend a high pick on a quarterback who sits behind your guy for 3 years and starts only in his contract year. Or worse, never starts.
More likely Arizona than Pittsburgh. Although didn't the Steelers draft the Miami of Ohio kid last year in round 4? Arizona might take Carr in 2 or something like that, let him learn for a year or two behind Palmer.
Today, no team is really more quarterback starved than the Browns. Their draft slot will move up over the next month with a brutal schedule.
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I think it is safe to say that this thread is going to be very active for about another 6 months...
Watched a good chunk of Boyd this weekend. Threw two very nice deep balls to fairly well covered WRs. One negated by penalty, the other for TD... Otherwise a lot of short stuff, but kid looked decisive. One play was made to at least his third option. Still don't like to see him running, but seems to be secondary mode. I'm warming to him...
Also caught some Hundley... honestly reminded me of Wheezy. Locking onto first option... starring them down. Difference is he can pull ball down and take off... something that gives me zero comfort.
Did not see any Bridegewater, but heard some commentators saying he lost the Heisman this weekend.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think it is safe to say that this thread is going to be very active for about another 6 months...
Watched a good chunk of Boyd this weekend. Threw two very nice deep balls to fairly well covered WRs. One negated by penalty, the other for TD... Otherwise a lot of short stuff, but kid looked decisive. One play was made to at least his third option. Still don't like to see him running, but seems to be secondary mode. I'm warming to him...
Also caught some Hundley... honestly reminded me of Wheezy. Locking onto first option... starring them down. Difference is he can pull ball down and take off... something that gives me zero comfort.
Did not see any Bridegewater, but heard some commentators saying he lost the Heisman this weekend.
I think it is safe to say that this thread is going to be very active for about another 6 months...
Watched a good chunk of Boyd this weekend. Threw two very nice deep balls to fairly well covered WRs. One negated by penalty, the other for TD... Otherwise a lot of short stuff, but kid looked decisive. One play was made to at least his third option. Still don't like to see him running, but seems to be secondary mode. I'm warming to him...
Also caught some Hundley... honestly reminded me of Wheezy. Locking onto first option... starring them down. Difference is he can pull ball down and take off... something that gives me zero comfort.
Did not see any Bridegewater, but heard some commentators saying he lost the Heisman this weekend.
He threw for over 300 yards with multiple TDs. I don't understand why everyone thinks Bridgewater had such a bad game.
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AZ is definitely drafting a QB. OAK too, if Pryor continues to throw for 3 INT and <150 a game.
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Oh and almost forgot...
As mik mentioned earlier, Manziel is growing on me. Watched him vs. Ms St. last night and there is something there.
Patience... read progressions... decision making... and more than enough arm.
But what got me was the kid (ball boy? coaches son?) that joined him in kneeling and hand holding during the winning FG attempt. Can't fake that kind of magnetism. Smacks of leadership...
As I watched him I started thinking about Russel Wilson...
Still do not like running QB's, but...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Oh and almost forgot...
As mik mentioned earlier, Manziel is growing on me. Watched him vs. Ms St. last night and there is something there.
Patience... read progressions... decision making... and more than enough arm.
But what got me was the kid (ball boy? coaches son?) that joined him in kneeling and hand holding during the winning FG attempt. Can't fake that kind of magnetism. Smacks of leadership...
As I watched him I started thinking about Russel Wilson...
Still do not like running QB's, but...
Oh and almost forgot...
As mik mentioned earlier, Manziel is growing on me. Watched him vs. Ms St. last night and there is something there.
Patience... read progressions... decision making... and more than enough arm.
But what got me was the kid (ball boy? coaches son?) that joined him in kneeling and hand holding during the winning FG attempt. Can't fake that kind of magnetism. Smacks of leadership...
As I watched him I started thinking about Russel Wilson...
Still do not like running QB's, but...
I thought I was the only one here that liked/want's Manziel...I really think not only does the kid have star power...I really think...that if he plays his cards right could be a great imfluence on this team with his type of swagger...Seems to have the I.Q. necessarry...its just...will "everything else" between his ears catchup/lineup so to speak..but..Im willing to gamble on him...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Oh and almost forgot...
As mik mentioned earlier, Manziel is growing on me. Watched him vs. Ms St. last night and there is something there.
Patience... read progressions... decision making... and more than enough arm.
But what got me was the kid (ball boy? coaches son?) that joined him in kneeling and hand holding during the winning FG attempt. Can't fake that kind of magnetism. Smacks of leadership...
As I watched him I started thinking about Russel Wilson...
Still do not like running QB's, but...
I thought I was the only one here that liked/want's Manziel...I really think not only does the kid have star power...I really think...that if he plays his cards right could be a great imfluence on this team with his type of swagger...Seems to have the I.Q. necessarry...its just...will "everything else" between his ears catchup/lineup so to speak..but..Im willing to gamble on him...
I thought I was the only one here that liked/want's Manziel...I really think not only does the kid have star power...I really think...that if he plays his cards right could be a great imfluence on this team with his type of swagger...Seems to have the I.Q. necessarry...its just...will "everything else" between his ears catchup/lineup so to speak..but..Im willing to gamble on him...
If you want to pick up Manziel, you have to dedicate to the O-line. Manziel is short for a QB at 73 in, so he needs a Brees-esque front line to give him a clear line of vision. A dominant O-line would also maximize Manziel's running ability. It would be great if CLE could draft Jake Matthews with their 1st pick and then his QB with the 2nd 1st round pick or 2nd round pick.
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Oh and almost forgot...
As mik mentioned earlier, Manziel is growing on me. Watched him vs. Ms St. last night and there is something there.
Patience... read progressions... decision making... and more than enough arm.
But what got me was the kid (ball boy? coaches son?) that joined him in kneeling and hand holding during the winning FG attempt. Can't fake that kind of magnetism. Smacks of leadership...
As I watched him I started thinking about Russel Wilson...
Still do not like running QB's, but...
I thought I was the only one here that liked/want's Manziel...I really think not only does the kid have star power...I really think...that if he plays his cards right could be a great imfluence on this team with his type of swagger...Seems to have the I.Q. necessarry...its just...will "everything else" between his ears catchup/lineup so to speak..but..Im willing to gamble on him...
I thought I was the only one here that liked/want's Manziel...I really think not only does the kid have star power...I really think...that if he plays his cards right could be a great imfluence on this team with his type of swagger...Seems to have the I.Q. necessarry...its just...will "everything else" between his ears catchup/lineup so to speak..but..Im willing to gamble on him...
Warming to him nick... but like many others his off-season questions and questionable attitude in an earlier game were off-putting.
Started off looking like the dark-side of "swagger" was in play, i.e., arrogance.
It would be great if CLE could draft Jake Matthews with their 1st pick and then his QB with the 2nd 1st round pick or 2nd round pick.
I'm down with Jake, if he last's until our first #1 and any QB we liked is off the board. Schwartz showed again today that he is not the answer at RT. Jake immediately upgrades RT and is our next LT in waiting.
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We don't need to spend a Top 10 pick on a LT for him to play RT, it's not as big of a luxury as you would think.
I'd rather make a defense pick than an OL pick in the top 10.
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I think it is safe to say that this thread is going to be very active for about another 6 months...
Watched a good chunk of Boyd this weekend. Threw two very nice deep balls to fairly well covered WRs. One negated by penalty, the other for TD... Otherwise a lot of short stuff, but kid looked decisive. One play was made to at least his third option. Still don't like to see him running, but seems to be secondary mode. I'm warming to him...
Also caught some Hundley... honestly reminded me of Wheezy. Locking onto first option... starring them down. Difference is he can pull ball down and take off... something that gives me zero comfort.
Did not see any Bridegewater, but heard some commentators saying he lost the Heisman this weekend.
I think it is safe to say that this thread is going to be very active for about another 6 months...
Watched a good chunk of Boyd this weekend. Threw two very nice deep balls to fairly well covered WRs. One negated by penalty, the other for TD... Otherwise a lot of short stuff, but kid looked decisive. One play was made to at least his third option. Still don't like to see him running, but seems to be secondary mode. I'm warming to him...
Also caught some Hundley... honestly reminded me of Wheezy. Locking onto first option... starring them down. Difference is he can pull ball down and take off... something that gives me zero comfort.
Did not see any Bridegewater, but heard some commentators saying he lost the Heisman this weekend.
Bridegwaters game against an average defense showed he's got some holes in his game...for a guy that's being hailed as
"THE "pick in this years draft...ya gotta be better than what he showed on Sat
have we given up on hoyer for next year?
You can't go into next season with a huge question mark at QB (Hoyer's health/ability)
This draft is loaded with QBs...we just gotta hope Banner can pick the right guy
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Shep I'm kind of with you on marriota.
While you like Bridgewater and Boyd I'm saying Marriota will be the first QB taken this draft. Earlier I said early 3rd but most likely second round Marcus would be drafted. But after the ducks beat Alabama in the bcs title game this year his draft stock will will rise far and beyond B&B's. Then the combine will cement his value.
Not sure who said he looks average or whatever but look at his stats.
Then imagine what they would look like if Marcus completed a game this year.
Yeah the guy has yet to finish a game this season.
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We don't need to spend a Top 10 pick on a LT for him to play RT, it's not as big of a luxury as you would think.
I'd rather make a defense pick than an OL pick in the top 10.
We don't need to spend a Top 10 pick on a LT for him to play RT, it's not as big of a luxury as you would think.
Know you disagree and I am not trying to be smart ass (for a change), but I really don't get the luxury bit... We took a LT in round two 2-years ago and plopped him at RT. Are you happy with the results?
Could be Jake is the best player available when our first first rolls around. God knows his Daddy was probably the best to ever play multiple O-line positions.
Nab a quality interior lineman with the 2nd first-round pick and the O-line is set for the next few years...
Then add a Manziel or, yes, a McCarron down the board, hopefully to learn under Hoyer's tutalige.
Seems like a reasonable alternative to me...
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Hoyer and Foles.
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