Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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The rule of thumb in team building is simple: If you don't have a great quarterback, you aren't relevant and you get one just as soon as possible. It's the hardest piece to acquire and you don't pass on it with plans to circle back for one later Shep
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It depends on when you start building. When they drafted Couch, they didn't have the team
around him to succeed. Even Eli Manning struggled, and there was a lot of talk that he may have been a bust
back then,
It's no different than when Archie Manning went to the Saints. He got the hell beaten out of him.
QB's get ruined by being picked to a team that can't protect them, doesn't have the talent around them to succeed.
Give them enough talent around them, and you can draft a Joe Montana in the 3rd round to make it take off.
But now is the time for the Browns to draft a qb. This class, to me, seems large qb-wise, but I don't
see that there is one qb to move up to get. In fact, depending on which qb they want, they could draft
Lee, wr, with their first pick, and move up from their second first rounder, and still get their qb.
Or not.
Mariota may end up being the first qb taken, and that isn't taking anything away from Bridgewater or Boyd - who knows?
The Browns need that Randall Cobb/Hines Ward kind of wr, regardless who the qb ends up being.
But, with Hoyer hopefully being the starter next year, they need to get that future qb in camp, and let
him learn the game for at least a half year, and the new kid takes over.
The big difference is, now, that the Browns have a staff that really, really knows what they are doing,
and what talent fits what they need. Whoever the Browns draft next year, if they spend some picks
to move up for that one guy, it's because it will be the right decision.
Offhand, Bridgewater and Mariota seem to be the top two qb's. It's way, way early.
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I'm definitely on board with building a great team before getting a QB.
I'm just not that big on drafting a QB that high either, unless it's Teddy.
AJ McCarron in the 3rd would be a steal, and if we can't get Teddy I don't want anyone ranked above him.
<E> Didn't we trade for Dion Lewis? That really didn't work out, but it's no one's fault.
I'm definitely on board with building a great team before getting a QB.
I'm just not that big on drafting a QB that high either, unless it's Teddy.
AJ McCarron in the 3rd would be a steal, and if we can't get Teddy I don't want anyone ranked above him.
<E> Didn't we trade for Dion Lewis? That really didn't work out, but it's no one's fault.
We moved an LB who never saw the field. Not exactly the worst trade, especially considering the quality of linebackers we have employed at the moment.
Dion, from many reports, is a very nearly a clone of Shady McCoy, only slightly shifter.
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Dion Lewis is exactly what the Browns want to do at RB. I think he and Obie would be a really nice tandem. Obie's a classic one-cut runner with more burst than you expect. Love to see him get more carries. Still think we'll add a guy who can run/catch like both of those guys, maybe high in round 3 (Bernard Pierce territory). That's a nice group of backs.
This is a really good situation for a quarterback to step into, a bit of a doughnut team with most of the other key building blocks in place: Pass rushers? Check. Great left tackle? Check. #1 Receiver? Check. Safety blanket TE? Check. #1 corner? Check. Backs who can catch? Check.
The Browns will basically do whatever it takes to get their guy at QB because adding the other pieces is easy-breezy after that. We could bring in a WR, another TE, that RB, maybe a corner with size, some depth at safety... but none of that is code red, top five stuff. Not at all.
As Grossi said just yesterday when somebody was listing what the Browns need to do to be a playoff team next year, he said something to the effect of, "That's all secondary to getting the right quarterback." Stone cold fact.
Again, it's not if... it's who the Browns will draft in the top five at quarterback. Assuming we can't get to Bridgewater, I think it's Mariota. Someone (King?) just said if Kaepernick and Peyton Manning had a baby, it'd be Marcus Mariota.
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My bad. I didn't know it was actually a "rule" that a QB had to be 6'4 to be a smart QB.
I'm not talking about them being smart.
I'm talking about them being successful.
The stats point to bigger QB's being successful. Of course there are a few exceptions...but generally speaking, bigger QB's tend to have more success. It's a hell of a lot easier to find a tall, successful QB than it is to find a short one. That's not because they're always better, but because shorter QB's tend to be phased out of that position early on in their careers. High school and college coaches are going to nearly always try and plug in the bigger guy and move the smaller guy to slot receiver or DB. It's not fair, but it tends to be the case.
Of course, as I said, there are exceptions.
I didn't know it was a "rule" that a QB had to be under 6'4 to be considered smart. Not all tall QB's are Derek Anderson.
I'm not talking about them being smart.
I'm talking about them being successful.
The stats point to bigger QB's being successful. Of course there are a few exceptions...but generally speaking, bigger QB's tend to have more success. It's a hell of a lot easier to find a tall, successful QB than it is to find a short one. That's not because they're always better, but because shorter QB's tend to be phased out of that position early on in their careers. High school and college coaches are going to nearly always try and plug in the bigger guy and move the smaller guy to slot receiver or DB. It's not fair, but it tends to be the case.
Of course, as I said, there are exceptions.
I didn't know it was a "rule" that a QB had to be under 6'4 to be considered smart. Not all tall QB's are Derek Anderson.
Did you guys know Joe Montana was 6'5? True story.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
If he's there I wouldnt' mind seeing Cleveland pick up Hyde in the later rounds as the heavy.
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Hyde's a freaking beast. Love that guy. Give me Hyde, Obie, and Lewis... all bases covered.
I can't stress enough how against the grain you are if you think this is a quarterback class to pass on. It's one of the best in the last decade with 7 or 8 guys who could very easily end up long-term winning starters in this league.
Andy Dalton would be the 10th best QB in this draft. That's pretty amazing. CBS updated on 10/15 and has 6 quarterbacks in the top 25. Moved Johnny Cash up to #9... but also list him at 5'11". Thought he'd proven he's truly 6'1"?
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I'm not talking about them being smart.
I'm talking about them being successful.
The stats point to bigger QB's being successful. Of course there are a few exceptions...but generally speaking, bigger QB's tend to have more success. It's a hell of a lot easier to find a tall, successful QB than it is to find a short one. That's not because they're always better, but because shorter QB's tend to be phased out of that position early on in their careers. High school and college coaches are going to nearly always try and plug in the bigger guy and move the smaller guy to slot receiver or DB. It's not fair, but it tends to be the case.
Of course, as I said, there are exceptions.
I didn't know it was a "rule" that a QB had to be under 6'4 to be considered smart. Not all tall QB's are Derek Anderson.
Did you guys know Joe Montana was 6'5? True story.
Did you guys know Joe Montana was 6'5? True story.
Did you guys know that you can count the number of HOF QB's under 6 feet tall on one hand?
Did you know that the average height and weight of all 55 NFL QBs that started throughout the 2011 season was 6'3, 225 lbs?
Did you know that 29 of the 32 starting NFL QB's were at least 6'3?
Did you know that fifteen starting QB that year were at least 6'5?
True stories.
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I swear Shep is really a draft fan, not a football fan. And his QB picks are usually off.
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Forgot Rodgers is 6'2", just like RG3. Vick and Brees are 6'. It's been a good height over the years for mobile QBs. The average for all time is 6'2"... obviously taller right now.
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I swear Shep is really a draft fan, not a football fan. And his QB picks are usually off.
I swear Shep is really a draft fan, not a football fan. And his QB picks are usually off.
Really, really good post. Worth the time. Keep us updated on your ill will. I'm going to Kansas City in a week to watch the Chiefs and Browns hold a draft.
(There really should be an IQ test to join a board.)
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Wow, lol.
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As I watch more and more of Mariota play I am liking this kid more and more. He seems like a more accurate and more intelligent Cam Newton. That kind of ability would give us a huge advantage.
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IF they want Mariota... stay tuned...
Meanwhile couple very good games to take a hard look at Mssrs. Hundley and Boyd this weekend.
(9) UCLA @ (13) Stanford --- Sat 10/19 14:30 EDT --- The lower ranked Cardinal is favored by 6 at home.
(5) Florida St @ (3) Clemson --- Sat 10-19 19:00 EDT --- The higher ranked Tigers are a 3 point dog at home!
IF they want Mariota... stay tuned...
Meanwhile couple very good games to take a hard look at Mssrs. Hundley and Boyd this weekend.
(9) UCLA @ (13) Stanford --- Sat 10/19 14:30 EDT --- The lower ranked Cardinal is favored by 6 at home.
(5) Florida St @ (3) Clemson --- Sat 10-19 19:00 EDT --- The higher ranked Tigers are a 3 point dog at home!
Definately on the radar for Saturday. Haven't seen much of Hundley against decent compitition.
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I really think the most special QB in the NCAA is one that won't be coming out for another 2 years.
Jameis Winston has been posting great numbers and being just all around fantastic, but what I really love is the fact that he simply makes plays.
He finds a way to turn shit into gold, a la Manziel, but he does it with less pompous bullshit.
Not to mention the fact that he's a full 3 inches taller than Manziel and 15 lbs heavier.
He's a guy that could easily be the face of your franchise while also being the arm and legs of your franchise as well.
And, in true Cleveland fashion, we will miss the boat on him.
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I really think the most special QB in the NCAA is one that won't be coming out for another 2 years.
Jameis Winston has been posting great numbers and being just all around fantastic, but what I really love is the fact that he simply makes plays.
He finds a way to turn shit into gold, a la Manziel, but he does it with less pompous bullshit.
Not to mention the fact that he's a full 3 inches taller than Manziel and 15 lbs heavier.
He's a guy that could easily be the face of your franchise while also being the arm and legs of your franchise as well.
And, in true Cleveland fashion, we will miss the boat on him.
I really think the most special QB in the NCAA is one that won't be coming out for another 2 years.
Jameis Winston has been posting great numbers and being just all around fantastic, but what I really love is the fact that he simply makes plays.
He finds a way to turn shit into gold, a la Manziel, but he does it with less pompous bullshit.
Not to mention the fact that he's a full 3 inches taller than Manziel and 15 lbs heavier.
He's a guy that could easily be the face of your franchise while also being the arm and legs of your franchise as well.
And, in true Cleveland fashion, we will miss the boat on him.
i agree with the winston thinking. the matchup between boyd and him this saturday will be both enjoyable and educational.
too bad we don't have 2 years to wait for winston.
but then again we could pick a 'franchise' QB in who evryone is rating in the top 5 and find out they are are a complete bust and be waiting for him in 2015.
and the carousel keeps turning and turning.
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who is the complete stand out this year coming out. There isn't an andrew luck this year.
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Love Winston... but he's far from the only QB to love. Certainly no guarantee he'll be better or as good as Bridgewater or Mariota. Some serious QB talent happening in college football right now. As the CBS guy put it, it's tough to keep up with who's hotter.
Tough to top 17/0, though. That's Mariota, giving Bridgewater a run for his money.
Problem with worrying about missing one boat is you might be missing another.
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