Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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Hasn't been the case over the past five years or so. Successful starters have been flooding into the league.
Best way to not get one is to not try. Then at least you know for certain you're gonna suck ass. Takes the guesswork out of it. Best teams have the best quarterbacks, as Aikman said and Dilfer quoted. Is what it is.
If it was so damn easy with great qbs flooding the league, then every NFL team would have a great qb. Successful starters like Tebow and Sanchez? Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young aren't exactly ancient history "oh it's so much more scientific now". Brandon stinking Weeden is living proof it's totally possible to f**k up in the first round lately. I rest my case.
Teams that have great qbs like Atlanta, Houston, and the Squealers that are currently sucking?
It's not as easy as you make it out to be. The Peyton Mannings and Drew Breese are rare, rare birds- and Brees came back to earth last year without his security blanket coach. Hehe and Manning gets bitched out by Irsay for not winning enough Super Bowls.
If it was so damn easy with great qbs flooding the league, then every NFL team would have a great qb. Successful starters like Tebow and Sanchez? Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young aren't exactly ancient history "oh it's so much more scientific now". Brandon stinking Weeden is living proof it's totally possible to f**k up in the first round lately. I rest my case.
Teams that have great qbs like Atlanta, Houston, and the Squealers that are currently sucking?
It's not as easy as you make it out to be. The Peyton Mannings and Drew Breese are rare, rare birds- and Brees came back to earth last year without his security blanket coach. Hehe and Manning gets bitched out by Irsay for not winning enough Super Bowls.
we are seeing eye to eye on this topic. there is no Fing guarantee in this league just because someone is rated high coming out of college that he's the best thing since sliced bread.
sure we have to draft a QB but at what price? i like mariota but i wouldn't be willing to spend our other first to move up one spot to guarantee we get the guy. we'll be in the top ten picking and if one of these 'best QB drafts in years' doesn't fall to us the quantum physics and this whole world is nothing but a dream and we'll all wake up one day attached to a machine.
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Browns boards always seem to draw a lot of anti-quarterback sentiment, maybe because we never get to have the great ones, or at least since Otto Graham (Sipe and Kosar were too brief to be included). Every year, I read that there isn't a (NAME HERE) in this draft. Is Andrew Luck really that epic? Certainly not statistically, although I'll say he does win. So does Alex Smith who's having a so-so year at best.
Will Mariota be better than Luck? He certainly CAN be. He's way faster and has more arm, throws a gorgeous ball, proved he can play in crunch time. Can he be better than Kaepernick? Absolutely. He does everything Kaep does just a little better than Kaep and seems more polished at this point.
The guy I compare most to Luck is Bridgewater. Not because of size, because of polish. He plays like he's already in the NFL.
Boyd reminds me a little of Russell Wilson, two inches taller with a stronger arm. Both guys are clearly pass first but can move really well.
Hundley reminds me most of Cam Newton... and I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. Aaron Murray is Andy Dalton, pretty much even steven with just a little more arm. Johnny Manziel? Hell, he's an original.
It's just a great year to need a quarterback.
Shep, I'm not averse to drafting a quarterback in the first round next year. I am averse to a Redskins sell the ranch\mortgage the future trade to move up to get a guy, if he goes bust- and you know it can happen, we're screwed for the next 3 years. Rothlisberger got picked @ #9, and Aaron Rodgers fell all the way into the 20s- I'm sure you remember.
If the qb class is as deep as you think it is, no reason we shouldn't be able to sit at say #12 (my projection) and still get a quality guy to groom behind Hoyer.Plus, half the college quarterbacks you're drooling over now are going to bust in the NFL- history says so.
Shep, I'm not averse to drafting a quarterback in the first round next year. I am averse to a Redskins sell the ranch\mortgage the future trade to move up to get a guy, if he goes bust- and you know it can happen, we're screwed for the next 3 years. Rothlisberger got picked @ #9, and Aaron Rodgers fell all the way into the 20s- I'm sure you remember.
If the qb class is as deep as you think it is, no reason we shouldn't be able to sit at say #12 (my projection) and still get a quality guy to groom behind Hoyer.Plus, half the college quarterbacks you're drooling over now are going to bust in the NFL- history says so.
I agree. Let the draft come to us. With all of these guys Shep is saying are so good, one of them is going to drop in our laps.
Plus, I am not so sure we don't have our QB in Hoyer. I'd be good going in to next year with the current QBs on the roster and use some of these picks we have attained to build of other positions, such as corner, interior O-line, RB, etc.
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Ahh so he got sent home from the Manning Camp, what a day early, so he doesn't have the dedication to be a legit NFL QB? Look I realize your jealous of the kid, I am too, but there's no reason whatsoever to bad mouth him on circumstantial evidence. Has he killed anyone? Has he roided up? Has he run a dog fighting ring? In case you were wondering no he hasn't. He's cleaner then Haden and Gordon. I realize this is America where everyone gets to bitch about everyone but the kid can play.
Have you seen him play?
It's funny before the season started my Dad absolutely hated the kid. Though he was a punk, blah, blah, blah. Every Saturday and Sunday I go and watch football with my Dad. Needless to say after the Bama game, and forgetting last year entirely evidently, he's hoping he falls down far enough in the draft so the Cowboys can pick him up. (Yes he's a Cowboy's fan, we do live in Oklahoma) Texas A&M is now appointment viewing for us purely because of Johnny Manziel.
Oh and for the dumbass who is calling him Johnny "Cash" Manizel are you really trying to insult him by comparing him to one of the greatest/badass artist of all time? I know you're going for the whole cash sign he's made when he scores a TD but do a little research into pop culture and it has something to do with Drake or some shit. I'm 25 and should probably know more about it then I should but I don't, other then that. (Grantland.com is the place to go) I just think of Johnny Cash, which is a complete compliment. Johnny Cash was a legit badass. Anyone who disagrees is a terrorist.
johnny cash was a heroin addict, but i guess if he played football and could run around like a little bitch he'd be alright in you and your dad's eyes, huh? what did johnny cash ever do for anyone in this country except think about himself and destroy other people's lives. wow, he was a badass. every time i hear one of his songs some hick plays on the jukebox a bump into it on purpose just to skip the fucking dreadful song.
yeah he's 'walking the line' down a blazing inferno road for eternity in purgatory.
fuck him and johnny manziel. i could name you 12 DEs that'd love to introduce that kid into the NFL on his first and only sunday come next august.
he's a punk fuckin spoiled bitch. if we picked that douche i would officially quit watching football altogether.
I've never wanted manziel more than after reading this crazy-town statement.johnny cash was a heroin addict, but i guess if he played football and could run around like a little bitch he'd be alright in you and your dad's eyes, huh? what did johnny cash ever do for anyone in this country except think about himself and destroy other people's lives. wow, he was a badass. every time i hear one of his songs some hick plays on the jukebox a bump into it on purpose just to skip the fucking dreadful song.
yeah he's 'walking the line' down a blazing inferno road for eternity in purgatory.
fuck him and johnny manziel. i could name you 12 DEs that'd love to introduce that kid into the NFL on his first and only sunday come next august.
he's a punk fuckin spoiled bitch. if we picked that douche i would officially quit watching football altogether.
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I can't believe I agree with Soju, but count me as another that looks at Hundley as a "dink & dunker". The few deep balls I have seen him throw are NOT pretty.
Please, no Hundley.
If we're lucky, he'll stay in school (which he should) & we won't have to worry about it.
Mike
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All these college world beaters will be the next generation of decent to mediocre to awful NFL quarterbacks. Oh boy! We can have the next alkili smith/Vince young! How awesome! They were considered special and look at them now. Geno smith, EJ manuel & RG3 next up to fail to live up to the hype. Why if they last five years they can be the next mike "never done shit" Vick! Ohboy! Let's trade up for one!
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I've never wanted manziel more than after reading this crazy-town statement.johnny cash was a heroin addict, but i guess if he played football and could run around like a little bitch he'd be alright in you and your dad's eyes, huh? what did johnny cash ever do for anyone in this country except think about himself and destroy other people's lives. wow, he was a badass. every time i hear one of his songs some hick plays on the jukebox a bump into it on purpose just to skip the fucking dreadful song.
yeah he's 'walking the line' down a blazing inferno road for eternity in purgatory.
fuck him and johnny manziel. i could name you 12 DEs that'd love to introduce that kid into the NFL on his first and only sunday come next august.
he's a punk fuckin spoiled bitch. if we picked that douche i would officially quit watching football altogether.
I've never wanted manziel more than after reading this crazy-town statement.
consider yourself officially sojued.
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Why because you make no sense and the things you say border on drug rampage crazy? Let's revisit this gem:
"Josh Freeman is the white man's Ben Roethlisberger."-miktoxic
Ok...what?
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drug-crazed no. alcohol...yeah, probably.
a lot of people don't get me so to those that do, thank you. for those that don't, well, i could care less.
the comment about freeman was about his size and strength which i compared to ben roethlisberger. did i call someone a Nword or a cracker?
ok...... twat?
it's not like anything crazy has ever come out of your mouth.........................
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Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
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If everyone is super then no one is.
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Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
yeah those are all great QBs but they all didn't come out in the same year and except for RG3 they (their respective teams) didn't break their bank (draft-wise) to sign any of them.
out of the nine you mentioned only three have made it to the super bowl and only two have one it.
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I don't think the Browns will, or should, "break the bank" to draft Bridgewater or any other QB. The thing about these guys coming out is that there are a bunch of them and we should, and will, use our first pick on one. Seriously, the odds of busing in the first round are just as good if you draft a QB or a OLineman.
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Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
yeah those are all great QBs but they all didn't come out in the same year and except for RG3 they (their respective teams) didn't break their bank (draft-wise) to sign any of them.
out of the nine you mentioned only three have made it to the super bowl and only two have one it.
out of the nine you mentioned only three have made it to the super bowl and only two have one it.
This may be the worst attempt to make a point I've ever read... Man, 3 out of 9 going to the Super Bowl sounds pretty damn good to me...
fail...
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Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
You mean "fantastic" or just "pretty good"? You can win a Super Bowl multiple times with a guy that's just "pretty good", Like Eli Manning. Flacco is just pretty good. Telling in the last 10 years, the only "fantastics" to win the SB are Brady, Manning and Brees, & probably I'd put Rodgers in that category. Like I said, rare birds- And where did Brady, Brees, & Rodgers get drafted? It wasn't top 10, that's for damn sure. Tampa Bay won a SB with Brad Johnson, and the Ratbirds with Dilfer- not exactly HOF material. Even more telling is the list of SB losing qbs- I couldn't even name 1\2 of them going back 10 years.
Yeah, it would be nice to draft the next Otto Graham, and be set at qb for the next 12 years- but it's odds on that won't be happening. The Browns may package both firsts to move up, but I have a feeling that's going to be Lombardi and Banner's limit. We certainly aren't giving up 3 firsts and a second to take Mariotta or Bridgewater- because Andrew Luck they ain't.
And really Shep, you have to cool your enthusiasm for these college hotshots. Your track record is less than stellar. (LOL don't make me name names of guys you were in love with pre-draft.) BTW, you have to look at it in the big picture and recognize that massive qb busts can and do still happen on a regular basis. Unfortunately, the Browns have turned that into an art form.
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Browns boards always seem to draw a lot of anti-quarterback sentiment, maybe because we never get to have the great ones, or at least since Otto Graham (Sipe and Kosar were too brief to be included). Every year, I read that there isn't a (NAME HERE) in this draft. Is Andrew Luck really that epic? Certainly not statistically, although I'll say he does win. So does Alex Smith who's having a so-so year at best.
Will Mariota be better than Luck? He certainly CAN be. He's way faster and has more arm, throws a gorgeous ball, proved he can play in crunch time. Can he be better than Kaepernick? Absolutely. He does everything Kaep does just a little better than Kaep and seems more polished at this point.
The guy I compare most to Luck is Bridgewater. Not because of size, because of polish. He plays like he's already in the NFL.
Boyd reminds me a little of Russell Wilson, two inches taller with a stronger arm. Both guys are clearly pass first but can move really well.
Hundley reminds me most of Cam Newton... and I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. Aaron Murray is Andy Dalton, pretty much even steven with just a little more arm. Johnny Manziel? Hell, he's an original.
It's just a great year to need a quarterback.
Agree, Hoorta... fantastic is a little exceesive for most of that list... at minimum it is premature...
Johnny Manziel? Hell, he's an original.
Fran Tarkenton comes to mind. Prolly the NFL's ultimate play extender,
Zombo said:
6'1 Case Keenum (or something like that) leapfrogged TJ Yates brian-hoyer-style and gets the start this Sunday for the Texans against the Chiefs.
I know virtually nothing about him other than his height and his yuppyish name. Any thoughts on him.
Case was a "system phenom" in the eyes of most at U of H. Set all kinds of records. Caught him a few times and thought he had a chance to be a good one at the NFL level. We shall see...
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
My questions about Manziel are not about his physical abilities throwing or running the football....it comes down to his dedication to the game and his teammates. Hes gonna need to grow up real fast to make it in the NFL.
Word is that he is a total gym rat and student of a game that he dearly loves.
... Aaron Rodgers fell all the way into the 20s- I'm sure you remember.
Shep told me in another thread that Rogers did not fall to the Packers...
I didn't watch the Louisville- UCF game tonight...
I did... While I was more impressed Teddy last nite than in my prior viewing, I was still not blown away (unlike the color commentator who wanted to have Teddy's love child).
Most throws were to a wide open, primary receiver, which he hit almost without exception.
A couple were unwisely forced to primaries that were not open.
It's when his primary was not available that his performance gets very "iffy".
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Nice game but I just realized during that game that he is not even 200lbs soaking wet, this kid will never survive in the NFL. I'm scratching him off the list for our next QB.
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Anyone watching UCLA right now to get a viewing of Hundley?
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LOL at the Johnny Cash comment.
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Anyone watching UCLA right now to get a viewing of Hundley?
Yep. Not impressed so far.
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Plus he was mediocre at best yesterday. Definitely not a 'rock star'.
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