Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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Why because you make no sense and the things you say border on drug rampage crazy? Let's revisit this gem:
"Josh Freeman is the white man's Ben Roethlisberger."-miktoxic
Ok...what?
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drug-crazed no. alcohol...yeah, probably.
a lot of people don't get me so to those that do, thank you. for those that don't, well, i could care less.
the comment about freeman was about his size and strength which i compared to ben roethlisberger. did i call someone a Nword or a cracker?
ok...... twat?
it's not like anything crazy has ever come out of your mouth.........................
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Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
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If everyone is super then no one is.
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Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
yeah those are all great QBs but they all didn't come out in the same year and except for RG3 they (their respective teams) didn't break their bank (draft-wise) to sign any of them.
out of the nine you mentioned only three have made it to the super bowl and only two have one it.
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I don't think the Browns will, or should, "break the bank" to draft Bridgewater or any other QB. The thing about these guys coming out is that there are a bunch of them and we should, and will, use our first pick on one. Seriously, the odds of busing in the first round are just as good if you draft a QB or a OLineman.
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Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
yeah those are all great QBs but they all didn't come out in the same year and except for RG3 they (their respective teams) didn't break their bank (draft-wise) to sign any of them.
out of the nine you mentioned only three have made it to the super bowl and only two have one it.
out of the nine you mentioned only three have made it to the super bowl and only two have one it.
This may be the worst attempt to make a point I've ever read... Man, 3 out of 9 going to the Super Bowl sounds pretty damn good to me...
fail...
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Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
Guys, be logical: Every time two teams play, one has to lose. Only 12 teams can make the playoffs. Only two can play in the Super Bowl. Only 4 or so can be Pro Bowlers or All Pro at the QB position.
But fantastic quarterbacks have been flowing into the league over the past decade, which is why it's been called The Golden Age of Quarterbacking, over and over.
Luck. RG3. Ryan. Kaepernick. Flacco. Foles. Wilson. Rodgers. Locker (6/0 before injury). Dalton (eh). Manuel (looked damn good before injury). Tannehill. Don't look at a specific year when the wheels come off. Look at how talented they are. They're guys you can absolutely win with and I didn't list them all. They're better than anybody we've had since the return and that's 14 damn years!
Every year, even last year, there are between two and five guys in the draft who are good enough to start and win. We can't miss out and we'll shop in the designer aisle this time. We'll get one of the top 2 or 3.
You mean "fantastic" or just "pretty good"? You can win a Super Bowl multiple times with a guy that's just "pretty good", Like Eli Manning. Flacco is just pretty good. Telling in the last 10 years, the only "fantastics" to win the SB are Brady, Manning and Brees, & probably I'd put Rodgers in that category. Like I said, rare birds- And where did Brady, Brees, & Rodgers get drafted? It wasn't top 10, that's for damn sure. Tampa Bay won a SB with Brad Johnson, and the Ratbirds with Dilfer- not exactly HOF material. Even more telling is the list of SB losing qbs- I couldn't even name 1\2 of them going back 10 years.
Yeah, it would be nice to draft the next Otto Graham, and be set at qb for the next 12 years- but it's odds on that won't be happening. The Browns may package both firsts to move up, but I have a feeling that's going to be Lombardi and Banner's limit. We certainly aren't giving up 3 firsts and a second to take Mariotta or Bridgewater- because Andrew Luck they ain't.
And really Shep, you have to cool your enthusiasm for these college hotshots. Your track record is less than stellar. (LOL don't make me name names of guys you were in love with pre-draft.) BTW, you have to look at it in the big picture and recognize that massive qb busts can and do still happen on a regular basis. Unfortunately, the Browns have turned that into an art form.
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Browns boards always seem to draw a lot of anti-quarterback sentiment, maybe because we never get to have the great ones, or at least since Otto Graham (Sipe and Kosar were too brief to be included). Every year, I read that there isn't a (NAME HERE) in this draft. Is Andrew Luck really that epic? Certainly not statistically, although I'll say he does win. So does Alex Smith who's having a so-so year at best.
Will Mariota be better than Luck? He certainly CAN be. He's way faster and has more arm, throws a gorgeous ball, proved he can play in crunch time. Can he be better than Kaepernick? Absolutely. He does everything Kaep does just a little better than Kaep and seems more polished at this point.
The guy I compare most to Luck is Bridgewater. Not because of size, because of polish. He plays like he's already in the NFL.
Boyd reminds me a little of Russell Wilson, two inches taller with a stronger arm. Both guys are clearly pass first but can move really well.
Hundley reminds me most of Cam Newton... and I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. Aaron Murray is Andy Dalton, pretty much even steven with just a little more arm. Johnny Manziel? Hell, he's an original.
It's just a great year to need a quarterback.
Agree, Hoorta... fantastic is a little exceesive for most of that list... at minimum it is premature...
Johnny Manziel? Hell, he's an original.
Fran Tarkenton comes to mind. Prolly the NFL's ultimate play extender,
Zombo said:
6'1 Case Keenum (or something like that) leapfrogged TJ Yates brian-hoyer-style and gets the start this Sunday for the Texans against the Chiefs.
I know virtually nothing about him other than his height and his yuppyish name. Any thoughts on him.
Case was a "system phenom" in the eyes of most at U of H. Set all kinds of records. Caught him a few times and thought he had a chance to be a good one at the NFL level. We shall see...
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
My questions about Manziel are not about his physical abilities throwing or running the football....it comes down to his dedication to the game and his teammates. Hes gonna need to grow up real fast to make it in the NFL.
Word is that he is a total gym rat and student of a game that he dearly loves.
... Aaron Rodgers fell all the way into the 20s- I'm sure you remember.
Shep told me in another thread that Rogers did not fall to the Packers...
I didn't watch the Louisville- UCF game tonight...
I did... While I was more impressed Teddy last nite than in my prior viewing, I was still not blown away (unlike the color commentator who wanted to have Teddy's love child).
Most throws were to a wide open, primary receiver, which he hit almost without exception.
A couple were unwisely forced to primaries that were not open.
It's when his primary was not available that his performance gets very "iffy".
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Nice game but I just realized during that game that he is not even 200lbs soaking wet, this kid will never survive in the NFL. I'm scratching him off the list for our next QB.
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Anyone watching UCLA right now to get a viewing of Hundley?
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LOL at the Johnny Cash comment.
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Anyone watching UCLA right now to get a viewing of Hundley?
Yep. Not impressed so far.
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Plus he was mediocre at best yesterday. Definitely not a 'rock star'.
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Agree, Hoorta... fantastic is a little exceesive for most of that list... at minimum it is premature...
Johnny Manziel? Hell, he's an original.
Fran Tarkenton comes to mind. Prolly the NFL's ultimate play extender,
Zombo said:
6'1 Case Keenum (or something like that) leapfrogged TJ Yates brian-hoyer-style and gets the start this Sunday for the Texans against the Chiefs.
I know virtually nothing about him other than his height and his yuppyish name. Any thoughts on him.
Case was a "system phenom" in the eyes of most at U of H. Set all kinds of records. Caught him a few times and thought he had a chance to be a good one at the NFL level. We shall see...
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
My questions about Manziel are not about his physical abilities throwing or running the football....it comes down to his dedication to the game and his teammates. Hes gonna need to grow up real fast to make it in the NFL.
Word is that he is a total gym rat and student of a game that he dearly loves.
... Aaron Rodgers fell all the way into the 20s- I'm sure you remember.
Shep told me in another thread that Rogers did not fall to the Packers...
I didn't watch the Louisville- UCF game tonight...
I did... While I was more impressed Teddy last nite than in my prior viewing, I was still not blown away (unlike the color commentator who wanted to have Teddy's love child).
Most throws were to a wide open, primary receiver, which he hit almost without exception.
A couple were unwisely forced to primaries that were not open.
It's when his primary was not available that his performance gets very "iffy".
Shep told me in another thread that Rogers did not fall to the Packers...
To a certain extent that was a fluke- great job again Browns taking Butterfingers Braylon instead. But #24 it is. Some big names did come off the board before- OK I cheated, and had to look it up- like Antrel Rolle, Shawn Merriman, and DeMarcus Ware.
Sort of like Shep's fave Brady Quinn taking a nose dive. Let it be noted- I called that bust.
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Mariota is the saving grace for PAC-12 QBs.
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LOL at the Johnny Cash comment.
LOL at the Johnny Cash comment.
It was pretty funny considering that Johnny was a one and only and about as good as it gets.
The Man in Black stood up for a lot of people when it wasn't popular.
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Shep's love for this QB class is bordering POG level excitement which, honestly, is turning me off of the whole lot.
Take a 3rd rounder now and go for Jameis in two years.
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No doubt that Manziel can make plays. The two things that I have an issue with is maturity (sp?) and his size. He has already been hurt several times this year. He is basically a more accurate Vick. I see him being injured a lot in the NFL.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Yes, his dedication. Will he be the guy spending endless hours in the film room or the guy posing for GQ? My moneys on the latter.
Ahh so he got sent home from the Manning Camp, what a day early, so he doesn't have the dedication to be a legit NFL QB? Look I realize your jealous of the kid, I am too, but there's no reason whatsoever to bad mouth him on circumstantial evidence. Has he killed anyone? Has he roided up? Has he run a dog fighting ring? In case you were wondering no he hasn't. He's cleaner then Haden and Gordon. I realize this is America where everyone gets to bitch about everyone but the kid can play.
Have you seen him play?
It's funny before the season started my Dad absolutely hated the kid. Though he was a punk, blah, blah, blah. Every Saturday and Sunday I go and watch football with my Dad. Needless to say after the Bama game, and forgetting last year entirely evidently, he's hoping he falls down far enough in the draft so the Cowboys can pick him up. (Yes he's a Cowboy's fan, we do live in Oklahoma) Texas A&M is now appointment viewing for us purely because of Johnny Manziel.
Oh and for the dumbass who is calling him Johnny "Cash" Manizel are you really trying to insult him by comparing him to one of the greatest/badass artist of all time? I know you're going for the whole cash sign he's made when he scores a TD but do a little research into pop culture and it has something to do with Drake or some shit. I'm 25 and should probably know more about it then I should but I don't, other then that. (Grantland.com is the place to go) I just think of Johnny Cash, which is a complete compliment. Johnny Cash was a legit badass. Anyone who disagrees is a terrorist.
Feel free to zip his pants back up and wipe the man juice off your chin....Kids a douche off the field. And yes I have seen him play and I think he wilk be a complete failure in the NFL.Ahh so he got sent home from the Manning Camp, what a day early, so he doesn't have the dedication to be a legit NFL QB? Look I realize your jealous of the kid, I am too, but there's no reason whatsoever to bad mouth him on circumstantial evidence. Has he killed anyone? Has he roided up? Has he run a dog fighting ring? In case you were wondering no he hasn't. He's cleaner then Haden and Gordon. I realize this is America where everyone gets to bitch about everyone but the kid can play.
Have you seen him play?
It's funny before the season started my Dad absolutely hated the kid. Though he was a punk, blah, blah, blah. Every Saturday and Sunday I go and watch football with my Dad. Needless to say after the Bama game, and forgetting last year entirely evidently, he's hoping he falls down far enough in the draft so the Cowboys can pick him up. (Yes he's a Cowboy's fan, we do live in Oklahoma) Texas A&M is now appointment viewing for us purely because of Johnny Manziel.
Oh and for the dumbass who is calling him Johnny "Cash" Manizel are you really trying to insult him by comparing him to one of the greatest/badass artist of all time? I know you're going for the whole cash sign he's made when he scores a TD but do a little research into pop culture and it has something to do with Drake or some shit. I'm 25 and should probably know more about it then I should but I don't, other then that. (Grantland.com is the place to go) I just think of Johnny Cash, which is a complete compliment. Johnny Cash was a legit badass. Anyone who disagrees is a terrorist.
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