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  • Like I've been saying, it's been going on all year, the defense is to blame for not getting off the field on 3rd down. I think the Chiefs converted 6-9 3rd downs in the first half and finished 10/19 - 52%

  • Like I've been saying, it's been going on all year, the defense is to blame for not getting off the field on 3rd down. I think the Chiefs converted 6-9 3rd downs in the first half and finished 10/19 - 52%

    @soju said:

    Like I've been saying, it's been going on all year, the defense is to blame for not getting off the field on 3rd down. I think the Chiefs converted 6-9 3rd downs in the first half and finished 10/19 - 52%

    ur not completely wrong but you can't argue that today the defense was on the field basically the whole game. The offense had the ball for 5 minutes in the 1st half. No defense is going to be stellar on that. But our edges aren't consistently getting home for sure. We get better pressure up the middle than the edges, and that can't go on. Somebody has to teach Kruger how to get low on his outside/inside rush...he's so upright everytime he tries to go around that basically the tackle can take the play off and just lean on him right off the drop line to the qb.

  • @koalabazooka said:

    Wow. Even CLE's defense is atrocious, by soju-boy's reckoning. Even though they've only ceded 22.5 ppg, including just 2 FGs to CIN's potent offense and 2 TD at the home of the defending SB Champs. Being ranked 6th in sacks, 9th in pass yd allowed and 12th in rush yd allowed is horrible too, apparently.

    stats are for chumps, there's a lot of variables. The Browns don't pass the eye test--the truest test measurement of success there is.

    @soju said:

    stats are for chumps, there's a lot of variables. The Browns don't pass the eye test--the truest test measurement of success there is.

    Soju: The only guy I've ever heard say stats are for chumps while arguing his case using stats. I'm not going to argue with you though because I'd be more successful arguing with my dog.

  • @soju said:

    stats are for chumps, there's a lot of variables. The Browns don't pass the eye test--the truest test measurement of success there is.

    Soju: The only guy I've ever heard say stats are for chumps while arguing his case using stats. I'm not going to argue with you though because I'd be more successful arguing with my dog.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Soju: The only guy I've ever heard say stats are for chumps while arguing his case using stats. I'm not going to argue with you though because I'd be more successful arguing with my dog.

    Sorry but the eye test always comes first, and if the stats back up the eye test, then it is permissible.
  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Not sure of the stats but it seemed a lot of 3rd downs were 5 or less. Hard to stop anything less than 7

    and to take that one step further, we get beat on the same 3 step drop and throw at the sticks. Our CBs are nowhere to be found, it's like they're playing 10 yards back and playing passive prevent defense on 3rd and 5. WTF? Sick of getting beat everytime by the undeneath crap.

    @soju said:

    and to take that one step further, we get beat on the same 3 step drop and throw at the sticks. Our CBs are nowhere to be found, it's like they're playing 10 yards back and playing passive prevent defense on 3rd and 5. WTF? Sick of getting beat everytime by the undeneath crap.

    ok billy. can you just pleez shut the fuck up now. we could have won the game and you'd still find something to bitch about.

  • I don't think you know what prevent defense is.

    We blitzed on a third and 7 early in the game, how did that work out for us? Oh, a Jamaal Charles 30 yard screen?

    You're a fucking idiot. If we'd have applied pressure every down you'd be bitching about that.

    Sit down, child.

  • I'm sure I don't have the military clearance to read your response.

    Basement dweller.

  • This forum always makes me feels better after a tough loss. The mental midgets always entertain me, even if I don't have the proper clearance to read everything.

  • we got decimated on screens yesterday. Absolutely obliterated. We always have gotten beat on screens and could never defend them, been going on for 15 years now.

  • In other news, the defense limited the Chiefs to 3 points in the second half - and those were gifted to them by Campbell's fumble. Better things to come?

  • In other news, the defense limited the Chiefs to 3 points in the second half - and those were gifted to them by Campbell's fumble. Better things to come?

    @gftchris said:

    In other news, the defense limited the Chiefs to 3 points in the second half - and those were gifted to them by Campbell's fumble. Better things to come?

    the Chiefs are an average NFL offense. they rank 16th in total yards. Besides, GREAT defenses don't allow games like the 1st half to happen.
  • In other news, the defense limited the Chiefs to 3 points in the second half - and those were gifted to them by Campbell's fumble. Better things to come?

    @gftchris said:

    In other news, the defense limited the Chiefs to 3 points in the second half - and those were gifted to them by Campbell's fumble. Better things to come?

    Campbell fumbled? I don't remember that. KC got their 3 points after we had to go for it on 4th down and Bess couldn't make the catch for the first down.

  • @gftchris said:

    In other news, the defense limited the Chiefs to 3 points in the second half - and those were gifted to them by Campbell's fumble. Better things to come?

    Campbell fumbled? I don't remember that. KC got their 3 points after we had to go for it on 4th down and Bess couldn't make the catch for the first down.

    @mark-o said:

    Campbell fumbled? I don't remember that. KC got their 3 points after we had to go for it on 4th down and Bess couldn't make the catch for the first down.

    Yep, my bad. Cambpell was stripped/fumbled, but it was negated by a penalty. Then we turned over on downs. Wrote that before I'd watched the game, I only saw the gamecenter coverage. Either way, the point stands, the 3 points they scored in the second half were nothing to do with the defence. They did absolutely everything the could to give us a shot of winning, got the three-and-out straight after the turnover.

  • @mark-o said:

    Campbell fumbled? I don't remember that. KC got their 3 points after we had to go for it on 4th down and Bess couldn't make the catch for the first down.

    Yep, my bad. Cambpell was stripped/fumbled, but it was negated by a penalty. Then we turned over on downs. Wrote that before I'd watched the game, I only saw the gamecenter coverage. Either way, the point stands, the 3 points they scored in the second half were nothing to do with the defence. They did absolutely everything the could to give us a shot of winning, got the three-and-out straight after the turnover.

    @gftchris said:

    Yep, my bad. Cambpell was stripped/fumbled, but it was negated by a penalty. Then we turned over on downs. Wrote that before I'd watched the game, I only saw the gamecenter coverage. Either way, the point stands, the 3 points they scored in the second half were nothing to do with the defence. They did absolutely everything the could to give us a shot of winning, got the three-and-out straight after the turnover.

    Yes the defense was much better in the 2nd half and did give us a chance to win the game after looking rather dismal in the first half. Probably didn't help that the offense only ran 9 plays in the first quarter and a half.