Walter sticks with Curry

? Aloysius

Detroit Lions: Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
St. Louis Rams: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Kansas City Chiefs: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
Seattle Seahawks: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Cleveland Browns: Aaron Curry, ILB, Wake Forest

We take Shonn Greene in the 2nd Round (with Larry English, Fili Moala, and Alphonso Smith still on the board)

Other notable picks:

Raji to the Packers at 9
He has the Niners taking Everette Brown over Orakpo at 10
Maualuga to the Broncos at 12
Patriots take Aaron Maybin over Brian Cushing at 23
Ravens get Alphonso Smith in the 2nd - a great pick
He has Clay Matthews and Rashad Jennings falling to the 3rd - not likely to happpen

? Aloysius

He also has Connecticut DE-OLB Cody Brown falling to the 4th Round. If we get him then, Chic John & I will be very happy.

ballpeen

I think that top 5 is pretty much settled on nearly all the mock boards. I think that is a pretty close forecast.

What I am trying to do is look below us on these things and see if there are any teams who might want to move up and feel our spot is where they need to go.

Right behind us Walter has 3 teams all going OT....Cincy,Oakland, and Jacksonville with Cincy taking Eugene Monroe....if Monroe is the guy either Oakland or JVille really wants, they have to jump Cincy....and if by some fluke Andre Smith fell in our laps, you would have teams jumping to land that guy.

The way I see it, it might be possible to drop down to J-Villes spot and still get Curry be it in the 8 spot v the 5 spot.

I hadn't checked that value chart that circulates this time of year, but dropping 3 spots that high in the draft has to be worth a 3rd rounder...maybe more.

I would like to have Curry...but I am not sure I wouldn't rather have another pick or two in the top 100

? Aloysius

I think Monroe will end up going #2 instead of Andre Smith. Teams seem to prioritize pass-blocking when taking an OT that high, and Monroe is better at it than Smith (though Smith's a better run-blocker).

The most likely trade-down scenario would be if Crabtree or Sanchez fell to us. But for that happen it seems like Aaron Curry would have to be off the board at 5.

Add in that it's very difficult to trade out of the top 5 picks (even to 7 to 8), and I think it's more likely that we accumulate picks by trading DA and/or trading down in the 2nd Round (that'd be worth at least a 4th).

SiperBowl

cody brown & clay matthews falling? that wont happen those 2 wont get passed the mid 2nd round before there taken.

? Aloysius

Scott Player said:
cody brown & clay matthews falling? that wont happen those 2 wont get passed the mid 2nd round before there taken.

I'm inclined to agree.

Coming into the Senior Bowl, Brown was projected to be a 3rd Round pick. With a good Combine, he could sneak into the 2nd Round.

If we trade down in the 2nd, he could be the guy we end up taking (especially if all the top RB's are off the board).

SiperBowl

Aloysius said:
I'm inclined to agree.
Coming into the Senior Bowl, Brown was projected to be a 3rd Round pick. With a good Combine, he could sneak into the 2nd Round.

If we trade down in the 2nd, he could be the guy we end up taking (especially if all the top RB's are off the board).

the key to that is who wants to move up and trade?

SiperBowl

Bunker said:
wake forest is among the low of the lowest in college football.
curry must be dumb

He'll be like mike junken

are u referring to the fact that he was an exception to making it thru enrollment because he played football?

? Aloysius

In the '07 draft, Oakland traded down 5 spots (#33 to #38) and netted and additional 4th Round pick. Chicago traded down 25 spots (#37 to #62) and received an additional 3rd and 5th Round pick in the '07 draft, as well as a 3rd Round pick in the '08 draft.

If we traded down, our compensation would probably be somewhere in between. If we could pick up a 3rd Round pick, that'd be sweet.

hammertime

If the Browns take Matthews with their 2nd pick how many people are going to cry that it was a homer move because of his dad?

ballpeen

I looked at that value chart.....the difference between our picks and JVilles is 300 points....JVilles 3rd rounder is valued at 230 points....again..that is just the value chart..who knows if teams really follow that or not...if that is a fair guide...getting their 3rd is well with-in reason.

WPB Dawg Fan

@ballpeen said:
I looked at that value chart.....the difference between our picks and JVilles is 300 points....JVilles 3rd rounder is valued at 230 points....again..that is just the value chart..who knows if teams really follow that or not...if that is a fair guide...getting their 3rd is well with-in reason.

'Peen...is that the OLD chart...or the revised one they have been talking about using going forward?

WPB Dawg Fan

here is the OLD chart

here is a link to the NEW chart

New Draft Value Chart

ballpeen

Shoot man....I don't know...whatever was listed on GBN

I will check the new one....like I said, I don't know how much that thing is really used, but I suppose it provides some sort of basis point.

? Aloysius

@wpb-dawg-fan said:
here is a link to the NEW chart
New Draft Value Chart

WPB Dawg Fan

Aloysius said:

If this new chart is used, you can see the there is a TON more chance of mobility at the top of the draft.

It was created because of the inflexibility of the old chart because the high price of BOTH the picks AND the cost to sign the player after picking them made it unfeasable for teams to trade up to the top of the draft.

This new chart has been floating around for a couple of years...but many speculated last year that THIS year it would actually be utilized a bit more...maybe not universally, but it will probably get trades to occur somewhere between the two charts.

? Aloysius

B.J. Raji could end up being someone teams are willing to trade up for. He's emerged as the only solid NT in this year's draft (his teammate, Ron Brace has a quick first step, but is not very good at moving laterally).

With Cinci, Green Bay, and Denver all in the market for a NT, there could be a rush to move up & get Raji.

If Curry's gone, I certainly wouldn't mind us making sure that Raji doesn't end up in a Bengals uniform.

? Aloysius

@shepwrite said:
Wasn't that top five the same as Kiper's? Sanchez to KC is getting a lot of traction.

You're right. The top 5 could be locking into place, with Eugene Monroe possibly replacing Smith as the OT St. Louis drafts.

The again, the Combine and pro day's could blow the whole thing up.

ballpeen

Aloysius said:
If Curry's gone, I certainly wouldn't mind us making sure that Raji doesn't end up in a Bengals uniform.

I agree....good point, but the only way to see that happen is to be ready to draft the guy.

This kind of goes back to our conversation yesterday and us having Rogers.

I agree...I don't want him in our division.....but yep...he could be a trade target...this is the conversation I seek..trying to figure out the guys teams may want and who those teams might be...for me anyway...a trade down would probably serve us best.

? Aloysius

@ballpeen said:
I agree....good point, but the only way to see that happen is to be ready to draft the guy.

Not necessarily. If teams like Denver and Green Bay are convinced that Cinci will take Raji, they'll have to trade in front of the Bengals to get their guy. And with the Bengals picking right behind us, we're ideally situated to make that trade.

I agree...I don't want him in our division.....but yep...he could be a trade target...this is the conversation I seek..trying to figure out the guys teams may want and who those teams might be...for me anyway...a trade down would probably serve us best.

I get the appeal of the trade down; I just don't see who that guy is that we'd take after trading down.

Maualuga's done some things this week that make me a little more comfortable with him. Or maybe it's just that it'd be interesting to have Bryan Cox come in to coach Maualuga. If there's anyone who can motivate Maualuga, it's a former psycho linebacker like Cox.