Walter sticks with Curry
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I think Monroe will end up going #2 instead of Andre Smith. Teams seem to prioritize pass-blocking when taking an OT that high, and Monroe is better at it than Smith (though Smith's a better run-blocker).
The most likely trade-down scenario would be if Crabtree or Sanchez fell to us. But for that happen it seems like Aaron Curry would have to be off the board at 5.
Add in that it's very difficult to trade out of the top 5 picks (even to 7 to 8), and I think it's more likely that we accumulate picks by trading DA and/or trading down in the 2nd Round (that'd be worth at least a 4th).
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cody brown & clay matthews falling? that wont happen those 2 wont get passed the mid 2nd round before there taken.
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cody brown & clay matthews falling? that wont happen those 2 wont get passed the mid 2nd round before there taken.
Scott Player said:
cody brown & clay matthews falling? that wont happen those 2 wont get passed the mid 2nd round before there taken.I'm inclined to agree.
Coming into the Senior Bowl, Brown was projected to be a 3rd Round pick. With a good Combine, he could sneak into the 2nd Round.
If we trade down in the 2nd, he could be the guy we end up taking (especially if all the top RB's are off the board).
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Scott Player said:
cody brown & clay matthews falling? that wont happen those 2 wont get passed the mid 2nd round before there taken.I'm inclined to agree.
Coming into the Senior Bowl, Brown was projected to be a 3rd Round pick. With a good Combine, he could sneak into the 2nd Round.
If we trade down in the 2nd, he could be the guy we end up taking (especially if all the top RB's are off the board).
Aloysius said:
I'm inclined to agree.Coming into the Senior Bowl, Brown was projected to be a 3rd Round pick. With a good Combine, he could sneak into the 2nd Round.
If we trade down in the 2nd, he could be the guy we end up taking (especially if all the top RB's are off the board).
the key to that is who wants to move up and trade?
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Bunker said:
wake forest is among the low of the lowest in college football.curry must be dumb
He'll be like mike junken
are u referring to the fact that he was an exception to making it thru enrollment because he played football?
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In the '07 draft, Oakland traded down 5 spots (#33 to #38) and netted and additional 4th Round pick. Chicago traded down 25 spots (#37 to #62) and received an additional 3rd and 5th Round pick in the '07 draft, as well as a 3rd Round pick in the '08 draft.
If we traded down, our compensation would probably be somewhere in between. If we could pick up a 3rd Round pick, that'd be sweet.
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If the Browns take Matthews with their 2nd pick how many people are going to cry that it was a homer move because of his dad?
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I looked at that value chart.....the difference between our picks and JVilles is 300 points....JVilles 3rd rounder is valued at 230 points....again..that is just the value chart..who knows if teams really follow that or not...if that is a fair guide...getting their 3rd is well with-in reason.
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I looked at that value chart.....the difference between our picks and JVilles is 300 points....JVilles 3rd rounder is valued at 230 points....again..that is just the value chart..who knows if teams really follow that or not...if that is a fair guide...getting their 3rd is well with-in reason.
I looked at that value chart.....the difference between our picks and JVilles is 300 points....JVilles 3rd rounder is valued at 230 points....again..that is just the value chart..who knows if teams really follow that or not...if that is a fair guide...getting their 3rd is well with-in reason.
'Peen...is that the OLD chart...or the revised one they have been talking about using going forward?
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Shoot man....I don't know...whatever was listed on GBN
I will check the new one....like I said, I don't know how much that thing is really used, but I suppose it provides some sort of basis point.
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here is a link to the NEW chart
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here is a link to the NEW chart
Aloysius said:
If this new chart is used, you can see the there is a TON more chance of mobility at the top of the draft.
It was created because of the inflexibility of the old chart because the high price of BOTH the picks AND the cost to sign the player after picking them made it unfeasable for teams to trade up to the top of the draft.
This new chart has been floating around for a couple of years...but many speculated last year that THIS year it would actually be utilized a bit more...maybe not universally, but it will probably get trades to occur somewhere between the two charts.
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B.J. Raji could end up being someone teams are willing to trade up for. He's emerged as the only solid NT in this year's draft (his teammate, Ron Brace has a quick first step, but is not very good at moving laterally).
With Cinci, Green Bay, and Denver all in the market for a NT, there could be a rush to move up & get Raji.
If Curry's gone, I certainly wouldn't mind us making sure that Raji doesn't end up in a Bengals uniform.
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@shepwrite said:
Wasn't that top five the same as Kiper's? Sanchez to KC is getting a lot of traction.You're right. The top 5 could be locking into place, with Eugene Monroe possibly replacing Smith as the OT St. Louis drafts.
The again, the Combine and pro day's could blow the whole thing up.
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B.J. Raji could end up being someone teams are willing to trade up for. He's emerged as the only solid NT in this year's draft (his teammate, Ron Brace has a quick first step, but is not very good at moving laterally).
With Cinci, Green Bay, and Denver all in the market for a NT, there could be a rush to move up & get Raji.
If Curry's gone, I certainly wouldn't mind us making sure that Raji doesn't end up in a Bengals uniform.
Aloysius said:
If Curry's gone, I certainly wouldn't mind us making sure that Raji doesn't end up in a Bengals uniform.I agree....good point, but the only way to see that happen is to be ready to draft the guy.
This kind of goes back to our conversation yesterday and us having Rogers.
I agree...I don't want him in our division.....but yep...he could be a trade target...this is the conversation I seek..trying to figure out the guys teams may want and who those teams might be...for me anyway...a trade down would probably serve us best.
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Aloysius said:
If Curry's gone, I certainly wouldn't mind us making sure that Raji doesn't end up in a Bengals uniform.I agree....good point, but the only way to see that happen is to be ready to draft the guy.
This kind of goes back to our conversation yesterday and us having Rogers.
I agree...I don't want him in our division.....but yep...he could be a trade target...this is the conversation I seek..trying to figure out the guys teams may want and who those teams might be...for me anyway...a trade down would probably serve us best.
I agree....good point, but the only way to see that happen is to be ready to draft the guy.
Not necessarily. If teams like Denver and Green Bay are convinced that Cinci will take Raji, they'll have to trade in front of the Bengals to get their guy. And with the Bengals picking right behind us, we're ideally situated to make that trade.
I agree...I don't want him in our division.....but yep...he could be a trade target...this is the conversation I seek..trying to figure out the guys teams may want and who those teams might be...for me anyway...a trade down would probably serve us best.
I get the appeal of the trade down; I just don't see who that guy is that we'd take after trading down.
Maualuga's done some things this week that make me a little more comfortable with him. Or maybe it's just that it'd be interesting to have Bryan Cox come in to coach Maualuga. If there's anyone who can motivate Maualuga, it's a former psycho linebacker like Cox.
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I agree on the Cincy point....Rey would still be in the mix....and we seem a bit fixed on a backer...that isn't the only thing we can do....who knows what is going to transpire in FA wich might alter any needs list we might have today.
Who knows...we might go RB....not a great chance...corner...one of the other DEs.
Plus...we have Beau Bell...what happened to him?? A few months ago some of the people around here were claiming him the next great backer in the league.....have we given up on that
But going back to a earlier point....trading DA or Edwards or someone else might also change the attitude we take with the first pick and our willingness to trade out of it.
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What's interesting is that T.J. McCreight was very high on Bell during the draft process.
I wonder if he still is & if that'll affect our offseason plans.
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And one thing we need to remember is no matter which way we go, we aren't going to fix everything.
We need 2 starters out of this draft.....I would assume the first 2 picks.
That is why I hope, no matter who we take, we aren't looking at some sort of project of a major degree.....like a DE and teaching him to play backer...
I can see transitioning a 4-3 backer into a 3-4 backer with little difficulty...or moving a LT to RT or something like that....but we need 2 guys who can come in and start pretty much from the get go.
Getting back to Curry...I guess i have always seen him outside.
My hope is bell is ready too...if not, we keep davis another year...he isn't horrible in the middle...we have to replace Willie...who do you guys see us playing there if we do draft Curry and put him inside.
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