Hoyer vs. Campbell

thenew23

I'll take Campbell all day... More experienced and makes better decisions with the football. How many INTs has he thrown??? That's right... 0.

Campbell has done everything we've needed to win... #1 protect the football.

When you look at the two head to head, Campbell pretty much wins in every area except he's not from Cleveland. Think about it...1st round talent, who's never gotten a full chance to shine. 4 different OCs in Washington, and breaking his collar bone after a 4-2 start in Oakland, getting signed to backup Cutler, then getting signed to backup Weeden... This guy is hungry and talented, and he probably has 2 or 3 more good years in him.

Hoyer... just not sure. Too small a sample size...

thenew23

And by the way... I'm actually shocked I'm saying that^^ b/c I had no interest in watching Campbell play this year when I heard we signed him. I was glad we went to Hoyer when BW got hurt, and was very skeptical when we went to Campbell 2 weeks ago... but man... he looks good...

cdl15

Not to metion Campbell is making more receivers relevant. Little has become a beast since Campbell has taken over. Barnage has a TD for god sakes. Hoyer will make a great backup for this team but Campbell is the man going forward. Next year too.

TypicalBrowns

Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks

JAFBF

Zombo said:

Neither know how or when to slide, but Campbell has shown that the shovel pass can be used for good, and not just evil, so he's my favorite this morning.

Just wondering how Turner and Chud watched all three all Summer long and said "Ya, the redhead ... he's way better than the other two."

Zombo

After having watched all three QB's in the Chud/Turner Offense things actually make a lot of sense to me now.

Weeden they didn't know a lot about (not their guy), but he has a heck of a arm and looked pretty good in Pre-Season, so they really needed to see what he was about and if he was worth developing.

Sadly, for all his physical talents, Weeden just doesn't seem to be making any progress.

I said in another thread that I think they played Weeden enough to silence any future calls for him to come into the game if one of the other QB's struggled for a game.

I also think they pretty much killed any uproar from fans if they trade/cut him.

I believe I understand why they jumped Hoyer over Campbell earlier as well.

Hoyer has a bit quicker release, seems to have the "It" factor, and sparks the Team, but on top of that he's the youngest guy on the Roster so has a greater upside (this is also why I voted for him).

Campbell is good, better than I expected, and I have no problem with him being our QB.

The fact that he's older is his biggest detraction, so I understand why they went with him last.

It was good to see Campbell making adjustments at the line and actually scanning the field instead of locking onto one Receiver yesterday (Hoyer did this too).

Really, it's a difficult choice between Hoyer and Campbell, they're both competent QB's - something we've lacked for years.

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

The touchdown pass to Bess on 4th down with pressure in his face was brilliant. Great catch too

utzie

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:
The touchdown pass to Bess on 4th down with pressure in his face was brilliant. Great catch too

I was more impressed with the 4th and 1 play in the 4th quarter more. If Weeden is in there, it's a sack and we probably lose because of the field position we would have given Baltimore. But then again, if Weeden is in there in that situation, we probably punt.

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

both plays were very impressive. Campbell's ability to extend the play and give the receiver a chance is clutch

Tour2ma

Zombo said:
I still remember Hoyer's unforced interceptions against the Vikings and think ... hmmm.

I remember him not accounting for the LBs and not doing it again... but I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

You have to expect a bit of homerism on this board, Adoug. Of course the guys will want as Cleveland born guy when the margin of difference is so razor thin.

Me, I Either way, you can't go wrong. I love both guys and would relish either of them being our day 1 starters next season. It's not a bad predicament to be in.

Homerism, shmomerism...

For a starter, I just like the guy who brings energy over the guy who looks like he needs to be checked for a pulse.

But, agree, it is a good choice to have...

Zombo said:
Neither know how or when to slide...

Mostly the how... That slo-mo "slide" Jason unveiled was laughable.

How hard could it be for Chud to get Terry Francona on the phone? Or Tito for that matter...

Westside Steve

Of course as much as I liked the little bit of Hoyer we saw remember that not only Belichick but also the Steelers and Cardinals didn't want him.

WSS

MDDawg

My vote goes to Campbell. Makes decisions just as well as Hoyer plus has a better arm. Unlike Hoyer there's a ton of film on him and neither top ranked KC or Baltimore could effectively counter him.

DieHardBrownsFan

@tour2ma said:

I remember him not accounting for the LBs and not doing it again... but I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.

Homerism, shmomerism...

For a starter, I just like the guy who brings energy over the guy who looks like he needs to be checked for a pulse.

But, agree, it is a good choice to have...

Mostly the how... That slo-mo "slide" Jason unveiled was laughable.

How hard could it be for Chud to get Terry Francona on the phone? Or Tito for that matter...

Ya, but he didn't get a torn ACL.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@tour2ma said:

I remember him not accounting for the LBs and not doing it again... but I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.

Homerism, shmomerism...

For a starter, I just like the guy who brings energy over the guy who looks like he needs to be checked for a pulse.

But, agree, it is a good choice to have...

Mostly the how... That slo-mo "slide" Jason unveiled was laughable.

How hard could it be for Chud to get Terry Francona on the phone? Or Tito for that matter...

I don't care if our QB has no pulse as long as he doesn't throw interceptions.

miktoxic

@adoug319 said:

You don't make sense. And it's a hypothetical question...

Also, I'm not a dumb shmuck, no need to take your internal hatred for yourself out on me.

Edit: so I think I deciphered you're inept drunken post... Are you seriously comparing Brian Hoyer to Tom Brady?

just fuckin stoopid.

homo says what?

Adoug319

@mddawg said:
My vote goes to Campbell. Makes decisions just as well as Hoyer plus has a better arm. Unlike Hoyer there's a ton of film on him and neither top ranked KC or Baltimore could effectively counter him.

He played admirably against kc and lights out against baltimore. (with bruised ribs) Lets just hope he can keep this up and stay healthy.. We NEED to pick up a 3rd qb.. If weeded comes in our season is over

Adoug319

@miktoxic said:
homo says what?

Great insight on the topic at hand. Real contributing poster you are. You win the award for trying to be the next Ghoolie, congrats. Now get off this thread if you're just gonna act like a little girl

miktoxic

how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?

riddle me that batman.

and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?

fuckin puss.

Pumpkin Eater

@typicalbrowns said:
Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks

Uh... Hoyer beat the bengals.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@pumpkin-eater said:
Uh... Hoyer beat the bengals.

Who are worse than the Chiefs in all three defensive categories: passing, rushing, and overall defense.

And Campbell had a higher rating vs. the Chiefs than Hoyer vs. the Bengals.

I'm not sure what the argument is, but Campbell has statistically played better than Hoyer.

It just proves that you don't need an athletic QB in this system. Just a smart one.

Adoug319

@miktoxic said:

how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?

riddle me that batman.

and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?

fuckin puss.

The only person that lives in fantasy land is you. You honestly think people care about what you have to say. Everyone knows you're a self-loathing alcoholic know-it-all with an ego bigger than the penis you dream about at night. Here I'll sum up your life for you:

You're an African-American who doesn't identify with his own race. You work a job that doesn't pay we'll at all, and you have an overweight, ugly girlfriend. In fact, the only reason you stay with her is because you can't afford rent on your own and you don't wanna move back in with mommy. You come on here after drinking large amounts of alcohol and post semi-coherent nonsense that sounds like what comes out of Mike Lombardi's asshole. You have no respect for my opinion or the opinions of many others on this board, and you think your opinion behests the rest of the boards. You take shitty pictures of bridges that have the inspiration of a dull pencil and post them on art websites. And to top it all off you don't even live within a 100 mile radius of Cleveland. Over 5,000 posts? Why don't you spend more time with your girlfriend... The only good thin you've done for this board is make t-shirts for the members. Other than that you're a worthless poster.