Hoyer vs. Campbell
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both plays were very impressive. Campbell's ability to extend the play and give the receiver a chance is clutch
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16-2?
Campbell played about as good a football game as you can ask today.
I still remember Hoyer's unforced interceptions against the Vikings and think ... hmmm.
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Zombo said:
I still remember Hoyer's unforced interceptions against the Vikings and think ... hmmm.
I remember him not accounting for the LBs and not doing it again... but I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.
You have to expect a bit of homerism on this board, Adoug. Of course the guys will want as Cleveland born guy when the margin of difference is so razor thin.
Me, I Either way, you can't go wrong. I love both guys and would relish either of them being our day 1 starters next season. It's not a bad predicament to be in.
Homerism, shmomerism...
For a starter, I just like the guy who brings energy over the guy who looks like he needs to be checked for a pulse.
But, agree, it is a good choice to have...
Zombo said:
Neither know how or when to slide...
Mostly the how... That slo-mo "slide" Jason unveiled was laughable.
How hard could it be for Chud to get Terry Francona on the phone? Or Tito for that matter...
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Of course as much as I liked the little bit of Hoyer we saw remember that not only Belichick but also the Steelers and Cardinals didn't want him.
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Zombo said:
I still remember Hoyer's unforced interceptions against the Vikings and think ... hmmm.
I remember him not accounting for the LBs and not doing it again... but I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.
You have to expect a bit of homerism on this board, Adoug. Of course the guys will want as Cleveland born guy when the margin of difference is so razor thin.
Me, I Either way, you can't go wrong. I love both guys and would relish either of them being our day 1 starters next season. It's not a bad predicament to be in.
Homerism, shmomerism...
For a starter, I just like the guy who brings energy over the guy who looks like he needs to be checked for a pulse.
But, agree, it is a good choice to have...
Zombo said:
Neither know how or when to slide...
Mostly the how... That slo-mo "slide" Jason unveiled was laughable.
How hard could it be for Chud to get Terry Francona on the phone? Or Tito for that matter...
I remember him not accounting for the LBs and not doing it again... but I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.
Homerism, shmomerism...
For a starter, I just like the guy who brings energy over the guy who looks like he needs to be checked for a pulse.
But, agree, it is a good choice to have...
Mostly the how... That slo-mo "slide" Jason unveiled was laughable.
How hard could it be for Chud to get Terry Francona on the phone? Or Tito for that matter...
Ya, but he didn't get a torn ACL.
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Zombo said:
I still remember Hoyer's unforced interceptions against the Vikings and think ... hmmm.
I remember him not accounting for the LBs and not doing it again... but I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.
You have to expect a bit of homerism on this board, Adoug. Of course the guys will want as Cleveland born guy when the margin of difference is so razor thin.
Me, I Either way, you can't go wrong. I love both guys and would relish either of them being our day 1 starters next season. It's not a bad predicament to be in.
Homerism, shmomerism...
For a starter, I just like the guy who brings energy over the guy who looks like he needs to be checked for a pulse.
But, agree, it is a good choice to have...
Zombo said:
Neither know how or when to slide...
Mostly the how... That slo-mo "slide" Jason unveiled was laughable.
How hard could it be for Chud to get Terry Francona on the phone? Or Tito for that matter...
I remember him not accounting for the LBs and not doing it again... but I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.
Homerism, shmomerism...
For a starter, I just like the guy who brings energy over the guy who looks like he needs to be checked for a pulse.
But, agree, it is a good choice to have...
Mostly the how... That slo-mo "slide" Jason unveiled was laughable.
How hard could it be for Chud to get Terry Francona on the phone? Or Tito for that matter...
I don't care if our QB has no pulse as long as he doesn't throw interceptions.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
You don't make sense. And it's a hypothetical question...man this thread is like an insult to injury. literally.
one guy is out, the other guy until 2 weeks ago was the third stringer.
if tom brady goes down and mallet comes in and plays lights out do you think there is some dumb schmuck on the pats board with a poll thread asking this question?
just fuckin stoopid.
Also, I'm not a dumb shmuck, no need to take your internal hatred for yourself out on me.
Edit: so I think I deciphered you're inept drunken post... Are you seriously comparing Brian Hoyer to Tom Brady?
just fuckin stoopid.
You don't make sense. And it's a hypothetical question...
Also, I'm not a dumb shmuck, no need to take your internal hatred for yourself out on me.
Edit: so I think I deciphered you're inept drunken post... Are you seriously comparing Brian Hoyer to Tom Brady?
just fuckin stoopid.
homo says what?
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My vote goes to Campbell. Makes decisions just as well as Hoyer plus has a better arm. Unlike Hoyer there's a ton of film on him and neither top ranked KC or Baltimore could effectively counter him.
My vote goes to Campbell. Makes decisions just as well as Hoyer plus has a better arm. Unlike Hoyer there's a ton of film on him and neither top ranked KC or Baltimore could effectively counter him.
He played admirably against kc and lights out against baltimore. (with bruised ribs) Lets just hope he can keep this up and stay healthy.. We NEED to pick up a 3rd qb.. If weeded comes in our season is over
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You don't make sense. And it's a hypothetical question...
Also, I'm not a dumb shmuck, no need to take your internal hatred for yourself out on me.
Edit: so I think I deciphered you're inept drunken post... Are you seriously comparing Brian Hoyer to Tom Brady?
just fuckin stoopid.
homo says what?
homo says what?
Great insight on the topic at hand. Real contributing poster you are. You win the award for trying to be the next Ghoolie, congrats. Now get off this thread if you're just gonna act like a little girl
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how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?
riddle me that batman.
and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?
fuckin puss.
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Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks
Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks
Uh... Hoyer beat the bengals.
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Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks
Uh... Hoyer beat the bengals.
Uh... Hoyer beat the bengals.
Who are worse than the Chiefs in all three defensive categories: passing, rushing, and overall defense.
And Campbell had a higher rating vs. the Chiefs than Hoyer vs. the Bengals.
I'm not sure what the argument is, but Campbell has statistically played better than Hoyer.
It just proves that you don't need an athletic QB in this system. Just a smart one.
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how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?
riddle me that batman.
and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?
fuckin puss.
how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?
riddle me that batman.
and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?
fuckin puss.
The only person that lives in fantasy land is you. You honestly think people care about what you have to say. Everyone knows you're a self-loathing alcoholic know-it-all with an ego bigger than the penis you dream about at night. Here I'll sum up your life for you:
You're an African-American who doesn't identify with his own race. You work a job that doesn't pay we'll at all, and you have an overweight, ugly girlfriend. In fact, the only reason you stay with her is because you can't afford rent on your own and you don't wanna move back in with mommy. You come on here after drinking large amounts of alcohol and post semi-coherent nonsense that sounds like what comes out of Mike Lombardi's asshole. You have no respect for my opinion or the opinions of many others on this board, and you think your opinion behests the rest of the boards. You take shitty pictures of bridges that have the inspiration of a dull pencil and post them on art websites. And to top it all off you don't even live within a 100 mile radius of Cleveland. Over 5,000 posts? Why don't you spend more time with your girlfriend... The only good thin you've done for this board is make t-shirts for the members. Other than that you're a worthless poster.
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Love Hoyer in the long run but I have to say JC played just as well if not better. I remember Hoyer hitting a couple of defenders between the numbers which I don't remember seeing JC do. Oh yeah, and he has no INTs. Anyway, just enjoying his performance thus far and hoping he can keep it up.
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^ Ouch...
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Campbell. He has proven the NFL game. Hoyer looked GREAT but he hasn't played enough
Campbell has played enough.
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how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?
riddle me that batman.
and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?
fuckin puss.
The only person that lives in fantasy land is you. You honestly think people care about what you have to say. Everyone knows you're a self-loathing alcoholic know-it-all with an ego bigger than the penis you dream about at night. Here I'll sum up your life for you:
You're an African-American who doesn't identify with his own race. You work a job that doesn't pay we'll at all, and you have an overweight, ugly girlfriend. In fact, the only reason you stay with her is because you can't afford rent on your own and you don't wanna move back in with mommy. You come on here after drinking large amounts of alcohol and post semi-coherent nonsense that sounds like what comes out of Mike Lombardi's asshole. You have no respect for my opinion or the opinions of many others on this board, and you think your opinion behests the rest of the boards. You take shitty pictures of bridges that have the inspiration of a dull pencil and post them on art websites. And to top it all off you don't even live within a 100 mile radius of Cleveland. Over 5,000 posts? Why don't you spend more time with your girlfriend... The only good thin you've done for this board is make t-shirts for the members. Other than that you're a worthless poster.
The only person that lives in fantasy land is you. You honestly think people care about what you have to say. Everyone knows you're a self-loathing alcoholic know-it-all with an ego bigger than the penis you dream about at night. Here I'll sum up your life for you:
You're an African-American who doesn't identify with his own race. You work a job that doesn't pay we'll at all, and you have an overweight, ugly girlfriend. In fact, the only reason you stay with her is because you can't afford rent on your own and you don't wanna move back in with mommy. You come on here after drinking large amounts of alcohol and post semi-coherent nonsense that sounds like what comes out of Mike Lombardi's asshole. You have no respect for my opinion or the opinions of many others on this board, and you think your opinion behests the rest of the boards. You take shitty pictures of bridges that have the inspiration of a dull pencil and post them on art websites. And to top it all off you don't even live within a 100 mile radius of Cleveland. Over 5,000 posts? Why don't you spend more time with your girlfriend... The only good thin you've done for this board is make t-shirts for the members. Other than that you're a worthless poster.
well how do you know this my friend? do you change your username every other week? what are you stalking me? 37 posts my ass. so who's the poser?
i'm whiter than white but the difference is i know how to get along with people.
mom's been dead since i was 7 years old. dad when i was 32. no i don't have to move in with anyone, cuz i don't need to or want to. i've been together with my girlfriend for over 20+ years. i could pay my rent on the interest from my money market account. and no she's not fat and overweight like your mom's pussy lips.
yeah i made tshirts for the members of the board, out of the fuckin kindness of my heart, out of my pocket. yeah i posted pics of bullshit comm photog pics that were uploaded to show that i actually worked for a commercial photography co. but that wasn't my only responsibility there. i was the videographer and editor, using programs that you only could wish you knew. i continue to use the whole adobe creative suite everyday learning something new everyday.
what have you done? ever, in your life that you can even say a bad word against me? want to go up against me? go ahead. i'll make you look more stoopid than you already sound.
i've got mad respect for 98% of the people on this forum. didn't even knew you existed. but you now fall in the 2%.
only thing you can say bad against me is that i told you your thread sucks.
and it's the truth. cunt.
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"Let's leave mothers out of this."
-Cosmo Carbone.
50 points for the reference.
WSS
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Let's talk about football instead of each other. That's really shitty.
Anyway: Campbell is the first Browns QB to post back to back 100+ ratings since DA in 2007. I agree that those two late plays (4th and 1 to Bess, flip to Obie) were winning football plays, things great quarterbacks do to create victories.
Should we be surprised? Before his collarbone injury, Campbell seemed headed for an actual quality career with the Raiders. He was playing superb football and getting lots of spin as the next great "late bloomer." What he's doing right now is continuing that arc after a big interruption of healing and then not getting enough reps or opportunity. This is who he is now, a much better quarterback than he was for the first 5-6 years of his career (when he was a total Checkdown Charlie).
I agree with Zombo: Let's enjoy it this year... but be realistic about what it means long-term. He turns 32 soon if he hasn't already. Hoyer turns 29 and he's coming off major knee surgery and has 3 career starts. Neither is our long-term answer... but either could be the short-term mentor and starter.
Which? Right now, homer-ism aside, I don't see how you don't go with Campbell. He has more physical upside and better numbers. Both guys are plenty mobile but Campbell threatens more field than Hoyer can.
Conversely, and just to confuse the hell out of things, Campbell could have some decent trade value on draft day assuming we take a first-round QB, and we'd be fine with Hoyer mentoring the rook. How much would another team pay for a short-term starter to go with THEIR rookie? Say, whoever gets Mariota (I doubt we'll get to him if we win 7 or more games, even with trade assets)?
I'm thinking a high third round pick.
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