Do you buy Bullying in the NFL?
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It's an interesting one. Clearly, in normal life, that would be construed as bullying, but the NFL is a different beast. You can sympathise with Incognito to some degree - he's probably been doing the same shit to people for years, trying to toughen them up, and this is the first anyone's complained about it. On the other hand, making threats, however real or fake, of violence towards family members (why is it always mothers?) might just be a bit too far for some people. Martin is a Stanford guy - a highly educated guy who has presumably been brought up with the mantra that violence isn't the answer, to play tough on the field and be a gentleman off of it. I wonder how we'd all be viewing this if Martin just knocked the guy out and got on with it?
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We'd be calling Martin a thug because he's black.
Incognito is and always has been a piece of shit, just like his father. They're dumpster water.
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Ya, I don't know if the situation should be called "Bullying". I'd say it was more harassment, with the phone calls and such. Maybe they are one in the same.
It's harder to say with NFL players as their jobs are quite different than most places. In a normal office work environment, something like this would have a much harder time happening, what with HR reps and lawsuits.
I don't know if I have ever seen something like this take place in my adult life. As a child you don't always have the options that you do as an adult. When you are a kid, you are stuck in a classroom a bully, you have to eat lunch with them, walk home or ride a bus with them, etc. You're stuck. Martin may have felt the same way.
I don't know, it doesn't sound like we are getting the whole story yet.
I'm just surprised that a guy who's job is to push people around all day didn't put a fist in Richie's word hole!
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Tannehill said Martin and Incognito were "best friends" two weeks ago, and that Martin was passing around his phone in the locker room laughing about the voice mails. Martin is a pussy bitch and threw his teammate under the bus. Martin should have done what Ireland said and punched Incognito in the face or balls. Instead he had a mental breakdown. The coaches told Incognito to toughen Martin up, because the opposing D-Line in every game are gonna be saying worse shit in the game. If he thought what Incognito did was bad, wait till he comes back and the opposition gets ahold of this weak minded individual.
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Incognito is a total douche. That being said, Martin is a giant soft pussy and I wouldn't want him in my locker room. How can you ever trust him to man up and defend the blindside if he can't defend his own honor from a teammate?
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Both are pieces of work. Martin has to have something else gong on except whats being reported. But I have a feeling he will have a hard time getting work in the NFL again after this.
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Incognito is a total douche. That being said, Martin is a giant soft pussy and I wouldn't want him in my locker room. How can you ever trust him to man up and defend the blindside if he can't defend his own honor from a teammate?
Incognito is a total douche. That being said, Martin is a giant soft pussy and I wouldn't want him in my locker room. How can you ever trust him to man up and defend the blindside if he can't defend his own honor from a teammate?
I think there's a difference there, but not necessarily a huge one. You need to be mentally strong to play in the NFL, of course, but that doesn't mean 'defending your honour' - instead just let it wash over you like the douche-drivel it is and get on with your job.
The biggest problem Martin has now is not Incognito, it's every DE or OLB he now faces for the rest of his NFL career talking trash at him that he's shown himself not mentally capable of dealing with.
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I am already bored to tears by this story.
I am already bored to tears by this story.
So am I. I think it's the biggest crock of shit, I've heard all year long thus far....Now theyre saying Incognito is an "honorary black man"...Lol..Look..I have black friends and a couple are really close buds of mine..Real up standing guys...We always respect each other and never once did race ever become an issue... We may have disagreements about certain issues privately. but those things never threatened our friendship once,
I mean really America...(namely the media) Grow the hell up!
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Tannehill said Martin and Incognito were "best friends" two weeks ago, and that Martin was passing around his phone in the locker room laughing about the voice mails. Martin is a pussy bitch and threw his teammate under the bus. Martin should have done what Ireland said and punched Incognito in the face or balls. Instead he had a mental breakdown. The coaches told Incognito to toughen Martin up, because the opposing D-Line in every game are gonna be saying worse shit in the game. If he thought what Incognito did was bad, wait till he comes back and the opposition gets ahold of this weak minded individual.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Tannehill said Martin and Incognito were "best friends" two weeks ago, and that Martin was passing around his phone in the locker room laughing about the voice mails. Martin is a pussy bitch and threw his teammate under the bus. Martin should have done what Ireland said and punched Incognito in the face or balls. Instead he had a mental breakdown. The coaches told Incognito to toughen Martin up, because the opposing D-Line in every game are gonna be saying worse shit in the game. If he thought what Incognito did was bad, wait till he comes back and the opposition gets ahold of this weak minded individual.
Life isn't like that man. Who says he didn't stand up for himself and failed? Who is to say he doesn't have legitimate mental issues (he checked into a hospital for it) that affected it? Life isn't always black and white like some people seem to believe. I also don't buy for a second that they were 'best friends'. It might have been slanted to look that way by Incognito but it obviously isn't true.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Tannehill said Martin and Incognito were "best friends" two weeks ago, and that Martin was passing around his phone in the locker room laughing about the voice mails. Martin is a pussy bitch and threw his teammate under the bus. Martin should have done what Ireland said and punched Incognito in the face or balls. Instead he had a mental breakdown. The coaches told Incognito to toughen Martin up, because the opposing D-Line in every game are gonna be saying worse shit in the game. If he thought what Incognito did was bad, wait till he comes back and the opposition gets ahold of this weak minded individual.
Life isn't like that man. Who says he didn't stand up for himself and failed? Who is to say he doesn't have legitimate mental issues (he checked into a hospital for it) that affected it? Life isn't always black and white like some people seem to believe. I also don't buy for a second that they were 'best friends'. It might have been slanted to look that way by Incognito but it obviously isn't true.
I'm sure there is a lot we don't know and probably never will. Point is the whole team has Incognitos back and its obvious Martin went about this in the worst way possible.Life isn't like that man. Who says he didn't stand up for himself and failed? Who is to say he doesn't have legitimate mental issues (he checked into a hospital for it) that affected it? Life isn't always black and white like some people seem to believe. I also don't buy for a second that they were 'best friends'. It might have been slanted to look that way by Incognito but it obviously isn't true.
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Well, here's my take, based on what I've heard. Per one of the commentators- an NFL locker room certainly can be considered a "workplace" so anti-harassment rules are applicable. Also heard besides Martin being a Stanford grad (have to assume he's smart), his parents both graduated from Harvard Law School- which means they're really smart. If would be pretty naive to think Martin didn't call up mom & dad to get some first rate legal advice on how to proceed. Does the guy have mental issues? Probably- but he's not the first NFL player in that boat.
So how is this going to play out? IMO, after Rodger (he's a lawyer too) Goodell sorts out all the mess, this crap is going to come to an end pronto. No more rookie hazing and bullying. (Plenty of teams already have those sort of rules in effect.) Personally, I was appalled the vets (in more than one instance and on more than one team) have forced rookies to pick up big ($1,000s +) team restaurant tabs. They're the guys making the money- they should be buying the rooks dinners to make them feel welcome.
Finally- if the rumor Incognito forced Tannehill to buy him a jet ski (there's supposedly a radio recording of it with him laughing about it)- that's nothing short of extortion, I don't care if Tannehill had a multimillion dollar contract, smacks of Guido coming up with the violin case demanding protection money. My guess is Goodell is going to kick Incognito out of the league for at least a year, so he'll have plenty of time to ride it.
PS be happy Browns fans- the Dolphins have the tiebreaker over us- and now they're missing 2 of their OL.
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Incognito is a dumbass, a meat head, and probably roids raged out of what is left of his tiny mind. Was he probably trying to make Martin toughen up? Yes. Is he so blindly stupid that he shouldn't even be trusted to feed a gold fish? Yes. He has the functioning I.Q. of Forrest Gump, but with the anger issues of a gorilla that has been slapped in the face for hours on end by a laughing person eating bananas. He's angry and dumb, why in the fuck would Miami ask him to be one of their leaders?
Martin is a pussy. Not just a pussy either, mind you, but a giant, gaping, and meat-flapped 300lb vagina that looks like a dude. If it is true that he went to mommy and daddy and formed the best possible case, instead of standing up and defending thyself, then my previous sentence is not inappropriate.
Hell, most people have been bullied. It won't go away until YOU make it go away. The first time I dealt with one I hit the kid every time he came to bat. Three pitches, three hits for me, and my first ejection from a sporting event. Truth was though, I was smaller and younger than everyone else, so I made an example out of him. I was willing to take pain if they were, and low and behold, it worked. Was never messed with much after developing that philosophy. Was it right? Who the fuck cares? It worked though, and I never received more than ejections and warnings all the way through high school; that was all I needed.
End of the day, Miami is a cesspool of shit. Doesn't surprise me that the whackjobs come out of the swamp and dildo-fight each other over some he-said she-said bullshit. Fuck'um, glad the Browns don't have to worry about this. Really. I live right across the alley from the Devil's playground and this is not surprising. Miami has a way of turning everything to evil or shit. It might be humidity, it is anyone's guess, but who really fucking cares? The Browns are in a good way, and even the likes of Coke Irvin are talking about how we are heading in the right direction, so whatever. Ban them both for all I care.
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Incognito is a dumbass, a meat head, and probably roids raged out of what is left of his tiny mind. Was he probably trying to make Martin toughen up? Yes. Is he so blindly stupid that he shouldn't even be trusted to feed a gold fish? Yes. He has the functioning I.Q. of Forrest Gump, but with the anger issues of a gorilla that has been slapped in the face for hours on end by a laughing person eating bananas. He's angry and dumb, why in the fuck would Miami ask him to be one of their leaders?
Martin is a pussy. Not just a pussy either, mind you, but a giant, gaping, and meat-flapped 300lb vagina that looks like a dude. If it is true that he went to mommy and daddy and formed the best possible case, instead of standing up and defending thyself, then my previous sentence is not inappropriate.
Hell, most people have been bullied. It won't go away until YOU make it go away. The first time I dealt with one I hit the kid every time he came to bat. Three pitches, three hits for me, and my first ejection from a sporting event. Truth was though, I was smaller and younger than everyone else, so I made an example out of him. I was willing to take pain if they were, and low and behold, it worked. Was never messed with much after developing that philosophy. Was it right? Who the fuck cares? It worked though, and I never received more than ejections and warnings all the way through high school; that was all I needed.
End of the day, Miami is a cesspool of shit. Doesn't surprise me that the whackjobs come out of the swamp and dildo-fight each other over some he-said she-said bullshit. Fuck'um, glad the Browns don't have to worry about this. Really. I live right across the alley from the Devil's playground and this is not surprising. Miami has a way of turning everything to evil or shit. It might be humidity, it is anyone's guess, but who really fucking cares? The Browns are in a good way, and even the likes of Coke Irvin are talking about how we are heading in the right direction, so whatever. Ban them both for all I care.
Incognito is a dumbass, a meat head, and probably roids raged out of what is left of his tiny mind. Was he probably trying to make Martin toughen up? Yes. Is he so blindly stupid that he shouldn't even be trusted to feed a gold fish? Yes. He has the functioning I.Q. of Forrest Gump, but with the anger issues of a gorilla that has been slapped in the face for hours on end by a laughing person eating bananas. He's angry and dumb, why in the fuck would Miami ask him to be one of their leaders?
Martin is a pussy. Not just a pussy either, mind you, but a giant, gaping, and meat-flapped 300lb vagina that looks like a dude. If it is true that he went to mommy and daddy and formed the best possible case, instead of standing up and defending thyself, then my previous sentence is not inappropriate.
Hell, most people have been bullied. It won't go away until YOU make it go away. The first time I dealt with one I hit the kid every time he came to bat. Three pitches, three hits for me, and my first ejection from a sporting event. Truth was though, I was smaller and younger than everyone else, so I made an example out of him. I was willing to take pain if they were, and low and behold, it worked. Was never messed with much after developing that philosophy. Was it right? Who the fuck cares? It worked though, and I never received more than ejections and warnings all the way through high school; that was all I needed.
End of the day, Miami is a cesspool of shit. Doesn't surprise me that the whackjobs come out of the swamp and dildo-fight each other over some he-said she-said bullshit. Fuck'um, glad the Browns don't have to worry about this. Really. I live right across the alley from the Devil's playground and this is not surprising. Miami has a way of turning everything to evil or shit. It might be humidity, it is anyone's guess, but who really fucking cares? The Browns are in a good way, and even the likes of Coke Irvin are talking about how we are heading in the right direction, so whatever. Ban them both for all I care.
Best analysis yet...great post!
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We'd be calling Martin a thug because he's black.
Incognito is and always has been a piece of shit, just like his father. They're dumpster water.
We'd be calling Martin a thug because he's black.
Incognito is and always has been a piece of shit, just like his father. They're dumpster water.
^^This
Martin would probably have been suspended. The half ngr thing was probably put on Martin by his other teammates, so I think some of it is as the Dolphins were trying to say...toughen him up. The shit about making a 2nd year player come 30k out of his pockets for trips he wasn't even going on? And the shit about i'll kill your family or whatever that bitch titty fuck was saying on the vm....that should have been an instantaneous assault charge. I'm sorry but if any of us had said that to Martin we'd get beat, Martin obviously felt that if he physically assaulted staypuft he'd incur not only the wrath of the FO but possibly also other players. So why were Miami players allowing incognito to call Martin a half-ngr piece of shit and threatening to slap his familiy tree around? I "highly" doubt Martin was that big of a pussy that under normal circumstances he doesn't say "dude, one more time and I fuck you stupid".
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Incognito is a total douche. That being said, Martin is a giant soft pussy and I wouldn't want him in my locker room. How can you ever trust him to man up and defend the blindside if he can't defend his own honor from a teammate?
I think there's a difference there, but not necessarily a huge one. You need to be mentally strong to play in the NFL, of course, but that doesn't mean 'defending your honour' - instead just let it wash over you like the douche-drivel it is and get on with your job.
The biggest problem Martin has now is not Incognito, it's every DE or OLB he now faces for the rest of his NFL career talking trash at him that he's shown himself not mentally capable of dealing with.
The biggest problem Martin has now is ... that he's shown himself not mentally capable of dealing ...
Therein lies the key point. Something in Martin's make-up has prevented him from either dealing or coping with the situation... and it sure as hell is not that he is "a pussy".
For any public figure, let alone a rough, tough NFL lineman, to seek mental help is a very brave thing indeed.
I am already bored to tears by this story.
I was headed there as well until the Dolphin player comments started surfacing.
Now theyre saying Incognito is an "honorary black man"...Lol..Look..I have black friends and a couple are really close buds of mine..Real up standing guys...We always respect each other and never once did race ever become an issue... We may have disagreements about certain issues privately. but those things never threatened our friendship once,
Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon have had a couple of really good segments on this. One of their insights is the impact the age of the friends has on the relationship and what is/ is not respectful.
Best analysis yet...great post!
... or worst...
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The biggest problem Martin has now is ... that he's shown himself not mentally capable of dealing ...
Therein lies the key point. Something in Martin's make-up has prevented him from either dealing or coping with the situation... and it sure as hell is not that he is "a pussy".
For any public figure, let alone a rough, tough NFL lineman, to seek mental help is a very brave thing indeed.
I am already bored to tears by this story.
I was headed there as well until the Dolphin player comments started surfacing.
Now theyre saying Incognito is an "honorary black man"...Lol..Look..I have black friends and a couple are really close buds of mine..Real up standing guys...We always respect each other and never once did race ever become an issue... We may have disagreements about certain issues privately. but those things never threatened our friendship once,
Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon have had a couple of really good segments on this. One of their insights is the impact the age of the friends has on the relationship and what is/ is not respectful.
Best analysis yet...great post!
... or worst...
Therein lies the key point. Something in Martin's make-up has prevented him from either dealing or coping with the situation... and it sure as hell is not that he is "a pussy".
For any public figure, let alone a rough, tough NFL lineman, to seek mental help is a very brave thing indeed.
Really good point. Martin is a smart guy. I think he understood damn well the ramifications of acting how he has about this situation. You don't just do that unless something is seriously wrong, at least in your opinion.
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Incognito is a dumbass, a meat head, and probably roids raged out of what is left of his tiny mind. Was he probably trying to make Martin toughen up? Yes. Is he so blindly stupid that he shouldn't even be trusted to feed a gold fish? Yes. He has the functioning I.Q. of Forrest Gump, but with the anger issues of a gorilla that has been slapped in the face for hours on end by a laughing person eating bananas. He's angry and dumb, why in the fuck would Miami ask him to be one of their leaders?
Martin is a pussy. Not just a pussy either, mind you, but a giant, gaping, and meat-flapped 300lb vagina that looks like a dude. If it is true that he went to mommy and daddy and formed the best possible case, instead of standing up and defending thyself, then my previous sentence is not inappropriate.
Hell, most people have been bullied. It won't go away until YOU make it go away. The first time I dealt with one I hit the kid every time he came to bat. Three pitches, three hits for me, and my first ejection from a sporting event. Truth was though, I was smaller and younger than everyone else, so I made an example out of him. I was willing to take pain if they were, and low and behold, it worked. Was never messed with much after developing that philosophy. Was it right? Who the fuck cares? It worked though, and I never received more than ejections and warnings all the way through high school; that was all I needed.
End of the day, Miami is a cesspool of shit. Doesn't surprise me that the whackjobs come out of the swamp and dildo-fight each other over some he-said she-said bullshit. Fuck'um, glad the Browns don't have to worry about this. Really. I live right across the alley from the Devil's playground and this is not surprising. Miami has a way of turning everything to evil or shit. It might be humidity, it is anyone's guess, but who really fucking cares? The Browns are in a good way, and even the likes of Coke Irvin are talking about how we are heading in the right direction, so whatever. Ban them both for all I care.
Incognito is a dumbass, a meat head, and probably roids raged out of what is left of his tiny mind. Was he probably trying to make Martin toughen up? Yes. Is he so blindly stupid that he shouldn't even be trusted to feed a gold fish? Yes. He has the functioning I.Q. of Forrest Gump, but with the anger issues of a gorilla that has been slapped in the face for hours on end by a laughing person eating bananas. He's angry and dumb, why in the fuck would Miami ask him to be one of their leaders?
Martin is a pussy. Not just a pussy either, mind you, but a giant, gaping, and meat-flapped 300lb vagina that looks like a dude. If it is true that he went to mommy and daddy and formed the best possible case, instead of standing up and defending thyself, then my previous sentence is not inappropriate.
Hell, most people have been bullied. It won't go away until YOU make it go away. The first time I dealt with one I hit the kid every time he came to bat. Three pitches, three hits for me, and my first ejection from a sporting event. Truth was though, I was smaller and younger than everyone else, so I made an example out of him. I was willing to take pain if they were, and low and behold, it worked. Was never messed with much after developing that philosophy. Was it right? Who the fuck cares? It worked though, and I never received more than ejections and warnings all the way through high school; that was all I needed.
End of the day, Miami is a cesspool of shit. Doesn't surprise me that the whackjobs come out of the swamp and dildo-fight each other over some he-said she-said bullshit. Fuck'um, glad the Browns don't have to worry about this. Really. I live right across the alley from the Devil's playground and this is not surprising. Miami has a way of turning everything to evil or shit. It might be humidity, it is anyone's guess, but who really fucking cares? The Browns are in a good way, and even the likes of Coke Irvin are talking about how we are heading in the right direction, so whatever. Ban them both for all I care.
That is correct. Best analysis by far.
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The whole thing smells like vinegar. one is a douche and the other is a pussy. just saying.
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Here's my two cents.
First off, there is no place for bullying in the football locker room. It creates a toxic environment that effects the entire team, not just the player that's bullied. We had a bully on my HS football team (he was a senior while I was sophmore), he would do things to deliberately injure teammates during practice, and gave me four stitches in my chin by using the crown of his helmet to strike my chin during an indoor, pads-free practice that was supposed to be contact-free. The only way to beat a bully is to stand up to them, and Martin should've done that, but apparently it isn't in his character to do so. You know who else should've put a stop to it? One of the veteran players on the team, or even more so, the HC.
It was monumentally stupid to put a thug like Incognito in a position of power, and it is monumentally stupid to think you can motivate someone with Martin's personality to play better by "toughening him up." The way you motivate someone like Martin is with positive reinforcement and challenging them to make the most out of their talent. I don't care if it's football or a white collar job, people are people and will be more motivated if they are treated with respect and driven by positive forces to play better. If that sound familiar, it should, because that's exactly the kind of leadership we have in Cleveland and the reason the Browns are an ascending team.
I think it's also funny some people think Martin has less of a shot at playing again than Incognito. Incognito violated NFL policies that are given to every player when they enter the league and has already been suspended indefinitely. Martin didn't violate any rules, and at worst damaged his character, though probably not enough that some team wouldn't take a chance on him given his talent. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the Browns giving him a shot, because we've got the kind of coaches and stand-up players that could bring the best out of him.
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