Joe Haden
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I have been saying this for 4 years.
Joe Haden is NOT a top flite CB
Top Flite CB's are 1 yard in front of the best WR. He NEVER plays that close, He might line up and play the other teams best WR, but he gets beat all day long by them. He never jams ANYONE and just thinks he can make up the space.
This is the NFL...........JOE, not the SEC, unless you are Dion Sanders or Darrell Green, you have to be in the guys face at the snap.
Haden can pick off passes when the QB pulls a Weeden, but when a WR is allowed to run off the line, Haden is an average DB.
If they want him to play the other teams best WR, then put him 1 yard infront of said WR and let the defense worry about the rest
Haden has been burned on TOO MANY plays
Don't be Retarded. Jax threw short all day, and he bit and they burned him, by a half second.
We have good cornerbacks. How bout a pass rush.And a quarterback.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Don't be Retarded. Jax threw short all day, and he bit and they burned him, by a half second.
We have good cornerbacks. How bout a pass rush.And a quarterback.
Zombo
I said we have good CB's, But Haden is not ELITE.
Elite CB's don't get burned on double moves. Regardless of how many short throws.
And a half second in the NFL is the difference of a wide open td and a pass break up
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Zombo said:
Don't be Retarded. Jax threw short all day, and he bit and they burned him, by a half second.
We have good cornerbacks. How bout a pass rush.And a quarterback.
Zombo
I said we have good CB's, But Haden is not ELITE.
Elite CB's don't get burned on double moves. Regardless of how many short throws.
And a half second in the NFL is the difference of a wide open td and a pass break up
I said we have good CB's, But Haden is not ELITE.
Elite CB's don't get burned on double moves. Regardless of how many short throws.
And a half second in the NFL is the difference of a wide open td and a pass break up
Elite CBs get burned everyday. If you don't want haden then fuck you. Seriously ... weeden turns the ball over three times in two minutes and you're mad our Pro Bowl corner who picked off a pass today bit on one fucking passs?
Go fuck yourself. Every fucking corner loses battles all the time.
We are 8-4 with an elite QB, quit being a Retard.
Z
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I said we have good CB's, But Haden is not ELITE.
Elite CB's don't get burned on double moves. Regardless of how many short throws.
And a half second in the NFL is the difference of a wide open td and a pass break up
Elite CBs get burned everyday. If you don't want haden then fuck you. Seriously ... weeden turns the ball over three times in two minutes and you're mad our Pro Bowl corner who picked off a pass today bit on one fucking passs?
Go fuck yourself. Every fucking corner loses battles all the time.
We are 8-4 with an elite QB, quit being a Retard.
Z
Zombo said:
Elite CBs get burned everyday. If you don't want haden then fuck you. Seriously ... weeden turns the ball over three times in two minutes and you're mad our Pro Bowl corner who picked off a pass today bit on one fucking passs?
Go fuck yourself. Every fucking corner loses battles all the time.
We are 8-4 with an elite QB, quit being a Retard.
Z
we were WINNING the game untill Haden blew the coverage. And he has been smoked by inferior WRs' the past 2 weeks, on the same move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes , weeden sucks, but he had the team winning the game until Haden gave up a WIDE OPEN TD with 40 seconds to go
all he had to do was STAY IN FRONT OF HIS GUY......... and his guy ran right by him
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Just delete this stupid ass thread. Yeah, let's blame our best defensive player because of one bad play. I guess every time Peyton manning throws an int he sucks too? Let's totally forget about the beautiful int he had or the fact he has a pick in 4 straight games.
I'm dead serious can this forum implement temp bans based on stupidity? People can vote to make it democratic.
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Zombo said:
Elite CBs get burned everyday. If you don't want haden then fuck you. Seriously ... weeden turns the ball over three times in two minutes and you're mad our Pro Bowl corner who picked off a pass today bit on one fucking passs?
Go fuck yourself. Every fucking corner loses battles all the time.
We are 8-4 with an elite QB, quit being a Retard.
Z
we were WINNING the game untill Haden blew the coverage. And he has been smoked by inferior WRs' the past 2 weeks, on the same move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes , weeden sucks, but he had the team winning the game until Haden gave up a WIDE OPEN TD with 40 seconds to go
all he had to do was STAY IN FRONT OF HIS GUY......... and his guy ran right by him
we were WINNING the game untill Haden blew the coverage. And he has been smoked by inferior WRs' the past 2 weeks.
Yes , weeden sucks, but he had the team winning the game until Haden gave up a WIDE OPEN TD with 40 seconds to go
all he had to do was STAY IN FRONT OF HIS GUY......... and his guy ran right by him
He wasn't smoked, he bit on the short pass, which is exactly what they did all day.
He fucking covers AJ Green, Torrey Smith, and Calvin Johnson all year, leads the league in passes defensed, creates a turnover today ... but bites one one perfectly executed play and all of the sudden he's not elite? He's going to the fucking Pro Bowl, dickbreath, he shuts downs receivers every week, our goddman QB handed the game to goddamn Jacksonville and your mad at out elite cover corner?
I'm sorry he bit like every other corner trying to save the day would, but jesus fucking christ Brandon Weeden handed the godddamn game to them and you are bitching about one goddamn perfectly executed pass play? They made a play. Happens more often than not. I'm glad we have joe on that wall. fuck you.
Zombo
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I would vote for Haden as a decent to above average CB, but he is NOT PRO BOWL material
The one bad play cost the team the win. Just ask Haden, and he would would agree. They were winning and Haden gave up the winning play
The so called beautiful INT he had was an under thrown pass that he SHOULD have picked off. That's what good DB's do
He is an above average CB for sure, but he is not a so-called "Shut-down" cb
Shut down CB's play 1 yard in front of the other teams best wr, They don't give up double moves, or ANY cushion. Shut down corners don't let average Wr's catch numerous passes in front of them. And they sure as hell don't give up double moves to lose games
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Just delete this stupid ass thread. Yeah, let's blame our best defensive player because of one bad play. I guess every time Peyton manning throws an int he sucks too? Let's totally forget about the beautiful int he had or the fact he has a pick in 4 straight games.
I'm dead serious can this forum implement temp bans based on stupidity? People can vote to make it democratic.
Exactly. Some Cleveland fans I tell you. Haden was basically in tears after the game about it too. Guys a great player and a great competitor.Just delete this stupid ass thread. Yeah, let's blame our best defensive player because of one bad play. I guess every time Peyton manning throws an int he sucks too? Let's totally forget about the beautiful int he had or the fact he has a pick in 4 straight games.
Don't forget about the 3 turnovers in 90 seconds to end the half that led to 13 points, or the safety on the bum snap.
Alex Mack had a bad snap, he's a terrible center too I guess.
I also remember people blaming Joe Thomas for a couple false starts 1 game for losing. Some even said trade him.
Totally ridiculous.
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Elite CB's don't Ever get 'bite' on double moves with 40 seconds to go in the game
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Exactly. Some Cleveland fans I tell you. Haden was basically in tears after the game about it too. Guys a great player and a great competitor.Just delete this stupid ass thread. Yeah, let's blame our best defensive player because of one bad play. I guess every time Peyton manning throws an int he sucks too? Let's totally forget about the beautiful int he had or the fact he has a pick in 4 straight games.
Don't forget about the 3 turnovers in 90 seconds to end the half that led to 13 points, or the safety on the bum snap.
Alex Mack had a bad snap, he's a terrible center too I guess.
I also remember people blaming Joe Thomas for a couple false starts 1 game for losing. Some even said trade him.
Totally ridiculous.
Exactly. Some Cleveland fans I tell you. Haden was basically in tears after the game about it too. Guys a great player and a great competitor.
Don't forget about the 3 turnovers in 90 seconds to end the half that led to 13 points, or the safety on the bum snap.
Alex Mack had a bad snap, he's a terrible center too I guess.
I also remember people blaming Joe Thomas for a couple false starts 1 game for losing. Some even said trade him.
Totally ridiculous.
he was in tears because he lost the game............. After all the crap that went on, Haden blew the coverage on the play that lost the game
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He might get voted to the pro bowl. and he might deserve it. But when there was 40 seconds left against the jags, and all he had to do was keep some schmuck wr in front of him..............HE FAILED.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Elite CB's don't Ever get 'bite' on double moves with 40 seconds to go in the game
Yes they do. They all do. Have you ever fucking watched an elite CB? Champ Bailey gets beat all the time. Deion Sanders bit and got beat. Christ, every game would be a shut out if corners controlled the game. Reavis gets burned, Sherman gets burned .. we got beat because our QB turned the ball over three times and our center snapped a lead away ... tell me which fucking "elite" cb never gets beat.
Zombo
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Not when it's 40 seconds to go and the other team only needs a FG to tie the game.
That is time you CAN NOT let a wr behind you.
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Elite CB's don't Ever get 'bite' on double moves with 40 seconds to go in the game
Yes they do. They all do. Have you ever fucking watched an elite CB? Champ Bailey gets beat all the time. Deion Sanders bit and got beat. Christ, every game would be a shut out if corners controlled the game. Reavis gets burned, Sherman gets burned .. we got beat because our QB turned the ball over three times and our center snapped a lead away ... tell me which fucking "elite" cb never gets beat.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Yes they do. They all do. Have you ever fucking watched an elite CB? Champ Bailey gets beat all the time. Deion Sanders bit and got beat. Christ, every game would be a shut out if corners controlled the game. Reavis gets burned, Sherman gets burned .. we got beat because our QB turned the ball over three times and our center snapped a lead away ... tell me which fucking "elite" cb never gets beat.
Zombo
we got beat because we were WINNING THE GAME and our so-called pro bowl CB got smoked
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He might get voted to the pro bowl. and he might deserve it. But when there was 40 seconds left against the jags, and all he had to do was keep some schmuck wr in front of him..............HE FAILED.
He might get voted to the pro bowl. and he might deserve it. But when there was 40 seconds left against the jags, and all he had to do was keep some schmuck wr in front of him..............HE FAILED.
Fuck you, our douchebag QB put us in that position, had they thrown short, haden would be your hero, it's like being a soccer goalie you simply can't be right every fucking time. Go find a better corner. Because lord knows we don't need a better QB.
Zombo
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as bad as weeden played and our rush def played
we were winning until Haden got burned
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REALITY check
The Browns were winning the game............. as bad as EVERYONE HAD PLAYED.
Then the Jags threw a pass to the endzone that Joe Haden coudln't cover
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as bad as weeden played and our rush def played
we were winning until Haden got burned
Go fuck yourself. Go find a better corner. Weeden threw 13 points away and we lost by 4. Every corner gets beat every game, it's a number thing, go fucking blame the corner for our our loss and bury your head in the sand and take it up the ass from your boyfriend while you are at it.
Zombo
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He might get voted to the pro bowl. and he might deserve it. But when there was 40 seconds left against the jags, and all he had to do was keep some schmuck wr in front of him..............HE FAILED.
Fuck you, our douchebag QB put us in that position, had they thrown short, haden would be your hero, it's like being a soccer goalie you simply can't be right every fucking time. Go find a better corner. Because lord knows we don't need a better QB.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Fuck you, our douchebag QB put us in that position, had they thrown short, haden would be your hero, it's like being a soccer goalie you simply can't be right every fucking time. Go find a better corner. Because lord knows we don't need a better QB.
Zombo
I never said we didn't need a better QB...........Lord knows we do.
but that fact remains, THE BROWNS WERE WINNING THE GAME until Joe Haden got burned on a double move when all he had to do was keep the Wr in fornt of him
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REALITY check
The Browns were winning the game............. as bad as EVERYONE HAD PLAYED.
Then the Jags threw a pass to the endzone that Joe Haden coudln't cover
REALITY check
The Browns were winning the game............. as bad as EVERYONE HAD PLAYED.
Then the Jags threw a pass to the endzone that Joe Haden coudln't cover
Couldn't or didn't? he bit on the short route they threw at him all fucking day. I guess you have some special fucking device that tells you when to go deep and 4.3 speed to cover. Seriously, just go fuck yourself. This guy holds guys 90% of the time and the one time he bites it's all his fault we lose? Brandon Fuckin Weeden handed the goodamn ball to them three times in in a row in our own fucking red zone, go fuck yourself. learn a little bit about the game of football and fuck yourself.
Z
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