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  • The only ones I never saw play were OG/O'connell/Ratterman. I saw Ninowski when he was a backup for several years, and I saw Plum but when he was with different teams.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Here is what I come up with on my ranking list:

    1. Otto Graham

    2. Frank Ryan

    3. Bernie Kosar

    4. Brian Sipe

    5. Bill Nelsen

    6. Milt Plum

    7. Gary Danielson

    8. Vinny Testaverde

    9. Tim Couch

    10. Tommy O'Connell

    11. Derek Anderson

    12. George Ratterman

    13. Jim Ninowski

    14. Kelly Holcomb

    15. Paul McDonald

    16. Mike Phipps

    17. Colt McCoy

    18. TRent Dilfer

    19. Mike Pagel

    20. Mike Tomczak

    21. Brandon Weeden

    22. Brady Quinn

    23. Jeff Garcia

    24. Charlie Frye

    25. Seneca Wallace

    26. Todd Philcox

    27. Doug Pederson

    @the-gipper said:

    Here is what I come up with on my ranking list:

    Here are the won-loss records of each QB:

    1. Otto Graham 57-13-1

    2. Frank Ryan 52-22

    3. Bernie Kosar 53-51-1

    4. Brian Sipe 57-55

    5. Bill Nelsen 34-16-1

    6. Milt Plum 33-16-1

    7. Gary Danielson 5-3

    8. Vinny Testaverde 16-15

    9. Tim Couch 22-37

    10. Tommy O'Connell 10-3-1

    11. Derek Anderson 16-18

    12. George Ratterman 2-3

    13. Jim Ninowski 5-6

    14. Kelly Holcomb 4-8

    15. Paul McDonald 8-13

    16. Mike Phipps 25-25-1

    17. Colt McCoy 6-15

    18. TRent Dilfer 4-7

    19. Mike Pagel 2-5

    20. Mike Tomczak 4-4

    21. Brandon Weeden 5-15

    22. Brady Quinn 3-9

    23. Jeff Garcia 3-7

    24. Charlie Frye 6-13

    25. Seneca Wallace 1-6

    26. Todd Philcox 2-3

    27. Doug Pederson 1-7

    Also note: Campbell 1-3, Delhomme 4-4, Mays 1-3, McCown 0-4, Hoyer 3-0

  • I get the goodness of the QB's on the list from the 40's, 50's and 60's but man that list gets real sad when you go from 1970 to the present. There are 21 QB's on that list that have started for the Browns since 1970 and only 2 have won playoff games since 1970 and only 1 lead the team to the playoffs multiple years.

    "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978
  • RichiswhereR Richiswhere

    I get the goodness of the QB's on the list from the 40's, 50's and 60's but man that list gets real sad when you go from 1970 to the present. There are 21 QB's on that list that have started for the Browns since 1970 and only 2 have won playoff games since 1970 and only 1 lead the team to the playoffs multiple years.

    @richiswhere said:

    I get the goodness of the QB's on the list from the 40's, 50's and 60's but man that list gets real sad when you go from 1970 to the present. There are 21 QB's on that list that have started for the Browns since 1970 and only 2 have won playoff games since 1970 and only 1 lead the team to the playoffs multiple years.

    To fill in the blanks, those QBs to win a playoff game since 1970 are Bernie Kosar who beat the Jets/Colts/Bills in 86/87/89 and Vinny T. who beat the Pats in 1994. Prior to that it was a Bill Nelsen QBed Browns that beat the Cowboys in 1969.

  • 1 Graham

    2.,Ryan

    3. Kosar

    4. Testeverde

    5. Sipe/couch (tie)

    No one else matters

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
    The GipperT Z 2 Replies
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    1 Graham

    2.,Ryan

    3. Kosar

    4. Testeverde

    5. Sipe/couch (tie)

    No one else matters

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    1 Graham

    2.,Ryan

    3. Kosar

    4. Testeverde

    5. Sipe/couch (tie)

    No one else matters

    Are you sure?:

    Postseason victories by Browns starting QBs:

    Otto Graham: 9

    Bernie Kosar: 3

    Bill Nelsen: 2

    Frank Ryan: 1

    Vinny Testaverde: 1

    Brian Sipe: -0-

    Postseason losses by Browns starting QBs:

    Kosar: 4

    Graham: 3

    Nelsen: 3

    Ryan: 2

    Plum: 2

    Phipps: 1

    Testaverde: 1

    Holcomb: 1

    Sipe: 1

    McDonald: 1

    Pagel: 1

  • I've never even heard of bill nelsen so what's that tell you?

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    1 Graham

    2.,Ryan

    3. Kosar

    4. Testeverde

    5. Sipe/couch (tie)

    No one else matters

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    5. Sipe/couch (tie)

    Because we all remember that time that Tim Couch won the NFL MVP ...

    Zombo

  • Sipe and couch had the same amount of success...none. although Gipper has informed me some guys I've never even heard of had more. I am now informed.

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.

  • Sipe did in fact win the MVP. Whether that is warranted or not is above my pay grade. I was born the year of his only playoff appearance.

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    Sipe did in fact win the MVP. Whether that is warranted or not is above my pay grade. I was born the year of his only playoff appearance.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Sipe did in fact win the MVP. Whether that is warranted or not is above my pay grade. I was born the year of his only playoff appearance.

    4,132 yards and 30 TDs in 1980 while leading a team to first place in a division that featured the two-time returning Super Bowl Champions and the two-time AFC runner-up Oilers .... yes it was warranted.

    You can simply say that you don't know anything about the QBs before Kosar, that is an acceptable answer. I don't know anything before Nelson except what I have read about.

    Zombo

  • I did say that. I know the greats of course. There hasn't been too many.

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    I've never even heard of bill nelsen so what's that tell you?

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    I've never even heard of bill nelsen so what's that tell you?

    That tells me you don't know dick about Browns history.

  • Zombo just said he doesn't know Nelson either. So basically anyone who can't name the obscure late sixties browns quarterbacks that received no acclaim doesn't know dick? Not everyone has all day to sit around obsessing over the mediocre quarterbacks of yore.

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • I know the names, I just never saw anyone before Nelson play. Didn't mean to be a dick or claim that someone didn't know dick, just sorry I never got to see dick Shiner play.

    Zombo

  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    Zombo just said he doesn't know Nelson either. So basically anyone who can't name the obscure late sixties browns quarterbacks that received no acclaim doesn't know dick? Not everyone has all day to sit around obsessing over the mediocre quarterbacks of yore.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Zombo just said he doesn't know Nelson either. So basically anyone who can't name the obscure late sixties browns quarterbacks that received no acclaim doesn't know dick? Not everyone has all day to sit around obsessing over the mediocre quarterbacks of yore.

    No, he said that he didn't see Nelsen play.....he didn't say he didn't know about him.

    As for mediocre? He took the Browns to what would be today 2 NFC Conference Championship games. So, if in the pantheon of all Browns QBs he is a mediocre one....then tell me about the 10-12 that have been better.

    A Browns fan need not sit around obsessing about QB to know that in the team's entire history there have only be 4 QBs to take the team to a conference Championship game: Graham, Ryan, Nelsen and Kosar and that is it.

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  • Mark Sanchez took the jets tp the AFC championship twice. How do you think history will remember him?

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    Mark Sanchez took the jets tp the AFC championship twice. How do you think history will remember him?

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Mark Sanchez took the jets tp the AFC championship twice. How do you think history will remember him?

    Depends on what he does with the rest of his career. Nelsen's career is kind of the opposite of Sanchez. He started with the piss poor Pissburgh Steelers then came to the Browns and did well.

    Some times, in fact, a bad team can drag a good QB down.

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