Interesting QB Draft Information
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The problem I have with anointing Hoyer is the small sample set. Jason Cambpell looked good in his first two games, better in fact than Hoyer, then he was horrible against Cincy and Pitt - who's to say the same wouldn't have happened to Hoyer?
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The problem I have with anointing Hoyer is the small sample set. Jason Cambpell looked good in his first two games, better in fact than Hoyer, then he was horrible against Cincy and Pitt - who's to say the same wouldn't have happened to Hoyer?
The problem I have with anointing Hoyer is the small sample set. Jason Cambpell looked good in his first two games, better in fact than Hoyer, then he was horrible against Cincy and Pitt - who's to say the same wouldn't have happened to Hoyer?
Agreed, except Hoyer has shown great accuracy and a quick release in all his game. He's definitely better than Campbell at those. Hoyer and a rookie for me.
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The quick release does make the OL look a lot better and we take less sacks. Plus, it was with Hoyer under centre that we got the best production out of Cameron. That being said, the quick release doesn't allow for plays to develop - that may be why Gordon *only* got about 220 yards total in those two games...
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Hoyer is qb smart. Makes great, quick decisions.
Campbell and Weedone take precious seconds to
make up their minds, they are tentative about their
throws, and Campbell isn't that much more accurate
than Weedone.
Neither of them understands "anticipation", and Weedone might
get lost, trying to spell it.
Hoyer and a rookie. And this coaching staff will know the exact qb
to draft. Whoever that is, has my full support. Because this coaching staff
knows what the hell they are doing. They know who fits and who doesn't.
Previously, drafting goobers who don't love the game, but have physical skills didn't
pay off. That was stupid.
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The problem I have with anointing Hoyer is the small sample set. Jason Cambpell looked good in his first two games, better in fact than Hoyer, then he was horrible against Cincy and Pitt - who's to say the same wouldn't have happened to Hoyer?
The problem I have with anointing Hoyer is the small sample set. Jason Cambpell looked good in his first two games, better in fact than Hoyer, then he was horrible against Cincy and Pitt - who's to say the same wouldn't have happened to Hoyer?
I am not anointing Hoyer, but in addition to his decisiveness & quick release, this TEAM performed at a higher level with him as QB. To me, that's a sign of having a LEADER out there on the field. I think, at the very least, he is a very serviceable NFL QB. While I agree that we should draft a QB in 2014, I am NOT sold on any of the top guys being "all that" & would be fine with our QB pick NOT starting early on. I know who I like, but I'm just another Fan...I'll trust our FO on this one.
Mike
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I think some of you guys are mixing up a quick release with getting rid of the ball quickly
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
Championship Weekend Update:
Bridgewater - did not look sharp at all on Thursday against a weak Cincinnati D. His stats turned out okay, but I watched that whole game and did not see #1 overall. Also, I can't believe he wears a glove on his throwing hand... red flag? He does have potential to make some explosive plays in the passing game which is nice to see, but I'm curious to see his measurables from the combine and pro day...
Bortles - played a good all-around game, and looked good in cold weather. I didn't see the whole game, but what I did see he was accurate on a lot of short passes, and did not make mistakes which has pretty much been his MO all season. He is mobile and moves well in the pocket, but does not throw the most accurate deep ball. Still on the fence with him...
Carr - I didn't stay up to see the 4th quarter, but what I did see Carr continued to look pretty good. He threw 2 ugly interceptions when he tried to force deep throws, but was able to drive down for 3 TDs a really good Utah St defense. Carr throws the short ball and makes intermediate throws like a starting NFL QB, but I've watched a lot of his games and he does not throw the nicest deep ball, but I'd say he was the most impressive of this bunch over the weekend...
Next up... Bowl games. I'll post a list of interesting ones, as related to QB scouting, and possible WRs/RBs if I get time to make that list...
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I think some of you guys are mixing up a quick release with getting rid of the ball quickly
I think some of you guys are mixing up a quick release with getting rid of the ball quickly
I stand corrected & I misstated. What I meant (and should have stated) is that Hoyer gets rid of the ball quickly. Now, for quick RELEASE, see Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Ilinois (EIU), who is MY favorite college QB. THAT kid has a compact, quick release.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
Mel Kiper said on Mike and Mike that he thinks 4 QB's could go 1st round but he wouldn't pick any top 5. He said there are no surefire can't miss franchise QB's. And that includes Bridgewater.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Mel Kiper said on Mike and Mike that he thinks 4 QB's could go 1st round but he wouldn't pick any top 5. He said there are no surefire can't miss franchise QB's. And that includes Bridgewater.
Saw Mel the other day on ESPN. He had Teddy #4 on his board at that time.
Just because they may not be worth a top 5 pick, doesn't mean they won't get drafted in the top 5. I'd hate to be the team left in the cold without any of those 4 QBs...
If you draft for need, you are doomed. It makes players look better than they are...
Of course there are years where the first QB taken isnt the best one.
I dont think its all that jumbled. Bridgewater rates #1 QB on just about anything I have seen. He is clearly the most likely QB to be a stud.
And many of us disagree. We can afford to be wrong; you can't.
Only in Cleveland do we look to 'solve' QB problems by taking a guy later in the draft and letting him sit behind a backup coming off ACL surgery.
Versus what? Trading away our ability to improve for a QB prospect that we do not believe in?
I think some of you guys are mixing up a quick release with getting rid of the ball quickly
It happens a lot around here.
Bridgewater - ...but I'm curious to see his measurables from the combine and pro day...
A high #1 QB attending the combine would be novel. I doubt he does.
Bortles - played a good all-around game, and looked good in cold weather.
I saw the 1st half, he looked like he wanted to go home. I was mentally prepping posts to TCPO about his guy in cold weather.
Carr - He threw 2 ugly interceptions when he tried to force deep throws...
And that's him... he's a gunslinger and will put his fans through years of agaony awaiting "one, magic seson" that may never come..
LOL...
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Hoyer is qb smart. Makes great, quick decisions.
Campbell and Weedone take precious seconds to
make up their minds, they are tentative about their
throws, and Campbell isn't that much more accurate
than Weedone.
Neither of them understands "anticipation", and Weedone might
get lost, trying to spell it.
Hoyer and a rookie. And this coaching staff will know the exact qb
to draft. Whoever that is, has my full support. Because this coaching staff
knows what the hell they are doing. They know who fits and who doesn't.
Previously, drafting goobers who don't love the game, but have physical skills didn't
pay off. That was stupid.
Hoyer is qb smart. Makes great, quick decisions.
Campbell and Weedone take precious seconds to
make up their minds, they are tentative about their
throws, and Campbell isn't that much more accurate
than Weedone.
Neither of them understands "anticipation", and Weedone might
get lost, trying to spell it.
Hoyer and a rookie. And this coaching staff will know the exact qb
to draft. Whoever that is, has my full support. Because this coaching staff
knows what the hell they are doing. They know who fits and who doesn't.
Previously, drafting goobers who don't love the game, but have physical skills didn't
pay off. That was stupid.
^ This.
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Bridgewater won't amount to very much in the NFL.
You sound very sure of yourself. I'd take a wager on this. This guy seems to disagree with you.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutSteve Young-ish. RT @AndyCoachFB: NFL comparison for Bridgewater? Current or historic.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutPeople say Bridgewater hasn't played a good defense. Rutgers had 3 defensive backs drafted last year. He shredded them.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscout.@fetish4lettuce I'm comparing Bridgewater to RG3 because he just replaced him as my No. 2 QB all-time scouted.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutThe only QB I've graded in 10 years that is higher ranked than Bridgewater? Andrew Luck.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutYou can call it hype or trolling, but I'm all-in on Bridgewater. I'll stake my reputation on him being an upper-level NFL quarterback.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutFoot work, vision, passing mechanics, touch, ball placment—actual QBing—Bridgewater is better than RG3 was.
Not all scouts share these thoughts obviously. But combining all the stuff out there and TB is not some scrub that is the #1 QB prospect simply by default.
You sound very sure of yourself. I'd take a wager on this. This guy seems to disagree with you.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutSteve Young-ish. RT @AndyCoachFB: NFL comparison for Bridgewater? Current or historic.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutPeople say Bridgewater hasn't played a good defense. Rutgers had 3 defensive backs drafted last year. He shredded them.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscout.@fetish4lettuce I'm comparing Bridgewater to RG3 because he just replaced him as my No. 2 QB all-time scouted.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutThe only QB I've graded in 10 years that is higher ranked than Bridgewater? Andrew Luck.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutYou can call it hype or trolling, but I'm all-in on Bridgewater. I'll stake my reputation on him being an upper-level NFL quarterback.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutFoot work, vision, passing mechanics, touch, ball placment—actual QBing—Bridgewater is better than RG3 was.
Not all scouts share these thoughts obviously. But combining all the stuff out there and TB is not some scrub that is the #1 QB prospect simply by default.
He can disagree with me all he wants. It's his opinion.
Mine is that Bridgewater won't have a career that is reflective of the #1 overall pick. Partly because I believe his career will be cut short due to injury. Partly because I believe that he's going to go to a team that will rely on him too heavy, too soon. Partly because I don't believe he's faced enough tough talent ( I mean, look at Florida) to be ready to be a day one starter in the NFL. And, unfortunately, the number one overall pick has to be a day one starter and make a quantifiable improvement in his team from the get-go.
I like Bridgewater. I was heavy on the Bridgewater bandwagon to begin this season. If he were a mid round pick, with less pressure on him and maybe going to a team that won't rely on him completely, I think he goes on to have a very good career. But he's going to end up in Houston, or in Jacksonville and those teams have way too much wrong with them other than just QB and not enough draft picks to address everything.
Bridgewater would thrive in Cleveland just because we have the talent at skill positions to help temper the learning curve, but more importantly, there's a solid offensive line and a decent overall defense to help him.
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You sound very sure of yourself. I'd take a wager on this. This guy seems to disagree with you.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutSteve Young-ish. RT @AndyCoachFB: NFL comparison for Bridgewater? Current or historic.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutPeople say Bridgewater hasn't played a good defense. Rutgers had 3 defensive backs drafted last year. He shredded them.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscout.@fetish4lettuce I'm comparing Bridgewater to RG3 because he just replaced him as my No. 2 QB all-time scouted.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutThe only QB I've graded in 10 years that is higher ranked than Bridgewater? Andrew Luck.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutYou can call it hype or trolling, but I'm all-in on Bridgewater. I'll stake my reputation on him being an upper-level NFL quarterback.
Quote:Matt Miller @nfldraftscoutFoot work, vision, passing mechanics, touch, ball placment—actual QBing—Bridgewater is better than RG3 was.
Not all scouts share these thoughts obviously. But combining all the stuff out there and TB is not some scrub that is the #1 QB prospect simply by default.
He can disagree with me all he wants. It's his opinion.
Mine is that Bridgewater won't have a career that is reflective of the #1 overall pick. Partly because I believe his career will be cut short due to injury. Partly because I believe that he's going to go to a team that will rely on him too heavy, too soon. Partly because I don't believe he's faced enough tough talent ( I mean, look at Florida) to be ready to be a day one starter in the NFL. And, unfortunately, the number one overall pick has to be a day one starter and make a quantifiable improvement in his team from the get-go.
I like Bridgewater. I was heavy on the Bridgewater bandwagon to begin this season. If he were a mid round pick, with less pressure on him and maybe going to a team that won't rely on him completely, I think he goes on to have a very good career. But he's going to end up in Houston, or in Jacksonville and those teams have way too much wrong with them other than just QB and not enough draft picks to address everything.
Bridgewater would thrive in Cleveland just because we have the talent at skill positions to help temper the learning curve, but more importantly, there's a solid offensive line and a decent overall defense to help him.
He can disagree with me all he wants. It's his opinion.
Mine is that Bridgewater won't have a career that is reflective of the #1 overall pick. Partly because I believe his career will be cut short due to injury. Partly because I believe that he's going to go to a team that will rely on him too heavy, too soon. Partly because I don't believe he's faced enough tough talent ( I mean, look at Florida) to be ready to be a day one starter in the NFL. And, unfortunately, the number one overall pick has to be a day one starter and make a quantifiable improvement in his team from the get-go.
I like Bridgewater. I was heavy on the Bridgewater bandwagon to begin this season. If he were a mid round pick, with less pressure on him and maybe going to a team that won't rely on him completely, I think he goes on to have a very good career. But he's going to end up in Houston, or in Jacksonville and those teams have way too much wrong with them other than just QB and not enough draft picks to address everything.
Bridgewater would thrive in Cleveland just because we have the talent at skill positions to help temper the learning curve, but more importantly, there's a solid offensive line and a decent overall defense to help him.
You are basically making the argument to trade up for him.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Mel Kiper said on Mike and Mike that he thinks 4 QB's could go 1st round but he wouldn't pick any top 5. He said there are no surefire can't miss franchise QB's. And that includes Bridgewater.
Saw Mel the other day on ESPN. He had Teddy #4 on his board at that time.
Just because they may not be worth a top 5 pick, doesn't mean they won't get drafted in the top 5. I'd hate to be the team left in the cold without any of those 4 QBs...
If you draft for need, you are doomed. It makes players look better than they are...
Of course there are years where the first QB taken isnt the best one.
I dont think its all that jumbled. Bridgewater rates #1 QB on just about anything I have seen. He is clearly the most likely QB to be a stud.
And many of us disagree. We can afford to be wrong; you can't.
Only in Cleveland do we look to 'solve' QB problems by taking a guy later in the draft and letting him sit behind a backup coming off ACL surgery.
Versus what? Trading away our ability to improve for a QB prospect that we do not believe in?
I think some of you guys are mixing up a quick release with getting rid of the ball quickly
It happens a lot around here.
Bridgewater - ...but I'm curious to see his measurables from the combine and pro day...
A high #1 QB attending the combine would be novel. I doubt he does.
Bortles - played a good all-around game, and looked good in cold weather.
I saw the 1st half, he looked like he wanted to go home. I was mentally prepping posts to TCPO about his guy in cold weather.
Carr - He threw 2 ugly interceptions when he tried to force deep throws...
And that's him... he's a gunslinger and will put his fans through years of agaony awaiting "one, magic seson" that may never come..
LOL...
Saw Mel the other day on ESPN. He had Teddy #4 on his board at that time.
If you draft for need, you are doomed. It makes players look better than they are...
And many of us disagree. We can afford to be wrong; you can't.
Versus what? Trading away our ability to improve for a QB prospect that we do not believe in?
It happens a lot around here.
LOL...
paging a meathead cliche machine...
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I dont think you guys are appreciating the impact of QB?
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I think some of you guys are mixing up a quick release with getting rid of the ball quickly
I stand corrected & I misstated. What I meant (and should have stated) is that Hoyer gets rid of the ball quickly. Now, for quick RELEASE, see Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Ilinois (EIU), who is MY favorite college QB. THAT kid has a compact, quick release.
Mike
kid has a compact, quick release.sounds like everyone at 15 years old.
I dont think you guys are appreciating the impact of QB?
just STFU already. blow away.
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kid has a compact, quick release.sounds like everyone at 15 years old.
I dont think you guys are appreciating the impact of QB?
just STFU already. blow away.
sounds like everyone at 15 years old.
just STFU already. blow away.
Oh, I'm sorry, were you not able to comprehend the information in the link? I can help you out if you want.
I am willing to teach you and help you out with some things.
I'd be open to understanding your thoughts too. However, they mostly laced with profanity and little substance.
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He can disagree with me all he wants. It's his opinion.
Mine is that Bridgewater won't have a career that is reflective of the #1 overall pick. Partly because I believe his career will be cut short due to injury. Partly because I believe that he's going to go to a team that will rely on him too heavy, too soon. Partly because I don't believe he's faced enough tough talent ( I mean, look at Florida) to be ready to be a day one starter in the NFL. And, unfortunately, the number one overall pick has to be a day one starter and make a quantifiable improvement in his team from the get-go.
I like Bridgewater. I was heavy on the Bridgewater bandwagon to begin this season. If he were a mid round pick, with less pressure on him and maybe going to a team that won't rely on him completely, I think he goes on to have a very good career. But he's going to end up in Houston, or in Jacksonville and those teams have way too much wrong with them other than just QB and not enough draft picks to address everything.
Bridgewater would thrive in Cleveland just because we have the talent at skill positions to help temper the learning curve, but more importantly, there's a solid offensive line and a decent overall defense to help him.
You are basically making the argument to trade up for him.
You are basically making the argument to trade up for him.
Except I'm not.
I'll wait for someone to explain the post to you.
If we picked at one, I would say have at Bridgewater. We don't pick at one, however. Trading up for a QB would require a sacrifice of at least two-three extra picks, one of which being our other first rounder. That's two-three impact players we'd be losing out on, just to move up and grab a QB.
It's not worth it. Especially to take a QB who honestly isn't much better than his contemporaries.
His stats are comparable to Bortles and are miles behind Carr's. His size is a question mark. He would require a perfect scenario in order to succeed.
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You are basically making the argument to trade up for him.
Except I'm not.
I'll wait for someone to explain the post to you.
If we picked at one, I would say have at Bridgewater. We don't pick at one, however. Trading up for a QB would require a sacrifice of at least two-three extra picks, one of which being our other first rounder. That's two-three impact players we'd be losing out on, just to move up and grab a QB.
It's not worth it. Especially to take a QB who honestly isn't much better than his contemporaries.
His stats are comparable to Bortles and are miles behind Carr's. His size is a question mark. He would require a perfect scenario in order to succeed.
Except I'm not.
I'll wait for someone to explain the post to you.
If we picked at one, I would say have at Bridgewater. We don't pick at one, however. Trading up for a QB would require a sacrifice of at least two-three extra picks, one of which being our other first rounder. That's two-three impact players we'd be losing out on, just to move up and grab a QB.
It's not worth it. Especially to take a QB who honestly isn't much better than his contemporaries.
His stats are comparable to Bortles and are miles behind Carr's. His size is a question mark. He would require a perfect scenario in order to succeed.
We don't agree at the impact certain players have on a game. See the link I put up. The bolded is typical cliché BS.
I mean these questions in all seriousness and I am not trying to belittle you as you seem to know a lot about football. Are you a professional scout? Do you have a documented history of being right about QBs in the draft?
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Except I'm not.
I'll wait for someone to explain the post to you.
If we picked at one, I would say have at Bridgewater. We don't pick at one, however. Trading up for a QB would require a sacrifice of at least two-three extra picks, one of which being our other first rounder. That's two-three impact players we'd be losing out on, just to move up and grab a QB.
It's not worth it. Especially to take a QB who honestly isn't much better than his contemporaries.
His stats are comparable to Bortles and are miles behind Carr's. His size is a question mark. He would require a perfect scenario in order to succeed.
We don't agree at the impact certain players have on a game. See the link I put up. The bolded is typical cliché BS.
I mean these questions in all seriousness and I am not trying to belittle you as you seem to know a lot about football. Are you a professional scout? Do you have a documented history of being right about QBs in the draft?
We don't agree at the impact certain players have on a game. See the link I put up. The bolded is typical cliché BS.
I mean these questions in all seriousness and I am not trying to belittle you as you seem to know a lot about football. Are you a professional scout? Do you have a documented history of being right about QBs in the draft?
It depends on what you deem as professional. Do I get paid for this? Yes. Is this my job? I guess you could say so. Am I employed by the NFL? Not at the moment.
I have a documented history of being right about Browns drafts, as that's all I really have done research on in the past. You can find all of my posts on this website, if you care to. You'll see that I, at least, can recognize players of a system and am decently succinct in my predictions of NFL players. I do have my weaknesses, however. I am one of the only people in the US that owns a James Davis Browns jersey, besides James Davis himself.
I do agree that a franchise QB has a huge impact. I have been adamant about that. But I don't agree that you have to trade up for one, as it has rarely worked in the last decade.
Here is a breakdown of all of the first round picks that have started this season, including their draft position and terms of their trades:
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/posts/217092/mortgaging_your_future_is_it.html
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You are basically making the argument to trade up for him.
Except I'm not.
I'll wait for someone to explain the post to you.
If we picked at one, I would say have at Bridgewater. We don't pick at one, however. Trading up for a QB would require a sacrifice of at least two-three extra picks, one of which being our other first rounder. That's two-three impact players we'd be losing out on, just to move up and grab a QB.
It's not worth it. Especially to take a QB who honestly isn't much better than his contemporaries.
His stats are comparable to Bortles and are miles behind Carr's. His size is a question mark. He would require a perfect scenario in order to succeed.
Except I'm not.
I'll wait for someone to explain the post to you.
Oh, and I understand your post. I get everything you say. You think he is just slightly better than the other QBs. You are afraid to give up a few extra picks to move for someone you only see as slightly better.
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