Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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Dear Shaun,
Perhaps you "followed" them, but please stop. The cockiness
you describe, is a two edged sword. Good and bad. I'd prefer a -confident- qb, with more fire for winning the game, than
fire off the field to be a showboat most of the time.
. Kosar and Sipe were never cocky bigshots who got into controversies off the field. Bill Nelson wasn't.
Your first "reason" is way off-base.
Your third "reason", is invalid. Any qb would benefit by not having to be thrown into the mix. Some qb's
can step in, it's a tough challenge, but to a point, they can be successful, with the right talents, if
they have the right cast of offensive players around them.
There are other qb's who can rush very, very well in this draft. That's your #2 "reason". Yes, his scrambling
is amazing to watch... except he's short, and RGIII is quite a rusher...but he got hurt as many of them do.
And it's a team game. Have you noticed, that RGIII got hurt, came back, and the Redskins still foundered,
and hopefully, their coach gets sacked? You think Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigtime rushers?
It's far better to have a qb who can make excellent decisions, with a strong arm to make all the throws accurately,
into tight windows, who is fiery about WINNING. The pro game requires that far, far more than college.
I don't know that Manziel is up to the task.
Good luck to you, being a "Browns contributor" to Yahoo. But you seem to have a bitter agenda and
your conclusions only reflect that, to me. Have a nice day
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thank god you are not anywhere near the browns' FO.
you ever think of all the other positions we need to fill or upgrade?
problem solved. thanks butch.
Well....if these guys (Carr/Davonte Adams) are who he thinks they are....they could possibly fill 2 big priorities: QB/WR.
Yea, there are other positions that need filled, upgraded: OG/RB/ILB.....but those 2 positions....if filled by those 2 guys....and if they worked out....could be a good thing.
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Regardless of the competition (he gets his shot at USC), Carr's arm talent is elite. If you want someone who literally can make every NFL throw with zip AND has great mobility AND didn't just tear his ACL, it's Carr.
He has to avoid falling on his face against the Trojans, where his team will be fairly overmatched, and in the Senior Bowl. If he shows up well at both, he's lock top 3 or 4.
Mik, we don't have many openings at key positions (pass rusher, #1 or #2 receiver, left tackle, #1 corner). On defense, we don't really have any openings at all and now Jordan Poyer is looking like a find (for big corner or FS if Gipson moves to SS). On offense, we basically add Dion Lewis, Travis Benjamin, Chris Faulk, and Jason Pinkston.
Like Grossi said, it's QB and WR (our third option, really)... then "everything else." The only really clear need in the "everything else" category is a bellcow type RB. Wouldn't mind an upgrade at RT and let Schwartz compete with all the others (Greco, Lauvao, Pinkston, Faulk) for the two starting guard spots. But those aren't high ticket items.
Not many offseasons have been clearer: It's about the QB. If this same team had a top 15 QB, Carlos Hyde, and maybe the Penn State or Wisconsin WR? 10 wins and up. We have 10 picks and the most cap space in the entire NFL and a really good core of young talent.
Regardless of the competition (he gets his shot at USC), Carr's arm talent is elite. If you want someone who literally can make every NFL throw with zip AND has great mobility AND didn't just tear his ACL, it's Carr.
He has to avoid falling on his face against the Trojans, where his team will be fairly overmatched, and in the Senior Bowl. If he shows up well at both, he's lock top 3 or 4.
Mik, we don't have many openings at key positions (pass rusher, #1 or #2 receiver, left tackle, #1 corner). On defense, we don't really have any openings at all and now Jordan Poyer is looking like a find (for big corner or FS if Gipson moves to SS). On offense, we basically add Dion Lewis, Travis Benjamin, Chris Faulk, and Jason Pinkston.
Like Grossi said, it's QB and WR (our third option, really)... then "everything else." The only really clear need in the "everything else" category is a bellcow type RB. Wouldn't mind an upgrade at RT and let Schwartz compete with all the others (Greco, Lauvao, Pinkston, Faulk) for the two starting guard spots. But those aren't high ticket items.
Not many offseasons have been clearer: It's about the QB. If this same team had a top 15 QB, Carlos Hyde, and maybe the Penn State or Wisconsin WR? 10 wins and up. We have 10 picks and the most cap space in the entire NFL and a really good core of young talent.
Yea, the level of competition he played at is not big of a concern to me. After all, Ben R. played at Miami Oh. Romo at E. Illinois, Flacco at Delaware, Alex Smith at Utah, Keesum at Houston, Kaepernick at Nevada-Reno,.
I mean, a Fresno St. QB won a SB: Trent Dilfer.
That is NOT an issue with me.
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On Manziel.....let's put it this way, if the Browns took him, it would not bother me much.
A . He does play the hell out of the QB position. If his size is an issue then we can look to Russell Wilson and Drew Brees and say "yes, a guy that size can do it".
B. As for his firey personality......who here can say that the Browns can't use something like that?
C. His presence here would bring a lot of attention. Then the national media can drool over the Browns the way the do over RGIII.
If Manziel is the direction the Browns FO would want to go....then all of the above is the positive spin I would put on their decision.
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Regardless of the competition (he gets his shot at USC), Carr's arm talent is elite. If you want someone who literally can make every NFL throw with zip AND has great mobility AND didn't just tear his ACL, it's Carr.
He has to avoid falling on his face against the Trojans, where his team will be fairly overmatched, and in the Senior Bowl. If he shows up well at both, he's lock top 3 or 4.
Mik, we don't have many openings at key positions (pass rusher, #1 or #2 receiver, left tackle, #1 corner). On defense, we don't really have any openings at all and now Jordan Poyer is looking like a find (for big corner or FS if Gipson moves to SS). On offense, we basically add Dion Lewis, Travis Benjamin, Chris Faulk, and Jason Pinkston.
Like Grossi said, it's QB and WR (our third option, really)... then "everything else." The only really clear need in the "everything else" category is a bellcow type RB. Wouldn't mind an upgrade at RT and let Schwartz compete with all the others (Greco, Lauvao, Pinkston, Faulk) for the two starting guard spots. But those aren't high ticket items.
Not many offseasons have been clearer: It's about the QB. If this same team had a top 15 QB, Carlos Hyde, and maybe the Penn State or Wisconsin WR? 10 wins and up. We have 10 picks and the most cap space in the entire NFL and a really good core of young talent.
Regardless of the competition (he gets his shot at USC), Carr's arm talent is elite. If you want someone who literally can make every NFL throw with zip AND has great mobility AND didn't just tear his ACL, it's Carr.
Arm talent is all well and good (Brandon Weeden has arm talent, too), but I want to know about his brain talent. Does he make good decisions? Is he calm under pressure? Does he understand the system and is he a quick study? Can he read the defense before the snap? Nobody keeps statistics on this kind of stuff, but IMO it is more important than arm talent. So what do we know about Carr when it comes to brain talent? Maybe we should be looking at his grades.
I think the reason there are so many QB bust picks is because people don't pay enough attention to brain talent.
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Regardless of the competition (he gets his shot at USC), Carr's arm talent is elite. If you want someone who literally can make every NFL throw with zip AND has great mobility AND didn't just tear his ACL, it's Carr.
Arm talent is all well and good (Brandon Weeden has arm talent, too), but I want to know about his brain talent. Does he make good decisions? Is he calm under pressure? Does he understand the system and is he a quick study? Can he read the defense before the snap? Nobody keeps statistics on this kind of stuff, but IMO it is more important than arm talent. So what do we know about Carr when it comes to brain talent? Maybe we should be looking at his grades.
I think the reason there are so many QB bust picks is because people don't pay enough attention to brain talent.
Arm talent is all well and good (Brandon Weeden has arm talent, too), but I want to know about his brain talent. Does he make good decisions? Is he calm under pressure? Does he understand the system and is he a quick study? Can he read the defense before the snap? Nobody keeps statistics on this kind of stuff, but IMO it is more important than arm talent. So what do we know about Carr when it comes to brain talent? Maybe we should be looking at his grades.
I think the reason there are so many QB bust picks is because people don't pay enough attention to brain talent.
I have said it before, if arm talent was all that mattered then we probably would have had the same starting QB here since 2007....one Mr. Derek Anderson. But, alas, as you said....the brain power was missing there.
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Arm talent is all well and good (Brandon Weeden has arm talent, too), but I want to know about his brain talent. Does he make good decisions? Is he calm under pressure? Does he understand the system and is he a quick study? Can he read the defense before the snap? Nobody keeps statistics on this kind of stuff, but IMO it is more important than arm talent. So what do we know about Carr when it comes to brain talent? Maybe we should be looking at his grades.
I think the reason there are so many QB bust picks is because people don't pay enough attention to brain talent.
I have said it before, if arm talent was all that mattered then we probably would have had the same starting QB here since 2007....one Mr. Derek Anderson. But, alas, as you said....the brain power was missing there.
I have said it before, if arm talent was all that mattered then we probably would have had the same starting QB here since 2007....one Mr. Derek Anderson. But, alas, as you said....the brain power was missing there.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
I have said it before, if arm talent was all that mattered then we probably would have had the same starting QB here since 2007....one Mr. Derek Anderson. But, alas, as you said....the brain power was missing there.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
Tell us how McCarron is truly any better of a prospect than Greg McElroy was?
Other than his hot chick main squeeze.
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I have said it before, if arm talent was all that mattered then we probably would have had the same starting QB here since 2007....one Mr. Derek Anderson. But, alas, as you said....the brain power was missing there.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
Be careful, some people have ridiculous love affairs with Carr.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/217258/201_nfl_draft_qb_scouting.html
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I've been watching film of this year (Carr) and it's pretty fantastic. What I've read is that he's shown a lot of growth as a technician and decision maker this year (he's never turned the ball over). And also he's a more mature leader, partially from having a kid and getting married.
How smart is he? That I don't know yet but I'm a huge fan of smart at quarterback. You definitely don't have to sell me on that one. If I read that Carr's dim, I'll bail. It doesn't work.
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When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
Be careful, some people have ridiculous love affairs with Carr.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/217258/201_nfl_draft_qb_scouting.html
Be careful, some people have ridiculous love affairs with Carr.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/217258/201_nfl_draft_qb_scouting.html
From that link:
"The biggest concern regarding Carr is what goes on in between his ears. Carr suffers from the same syndrome that many other first round busts suffered from (including his brother, David): mechanical breakdown in the face of pressure. When faced with a blitz, Carr tends to drop the ball below his shoulders and take his eyes off his downfield reads. "
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Be careful, some people have ridiculous love affairs with Carr.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/217258/201_nfl_draft_qb_scouting.html
From that link:
"The biggest concern regarding Carr is what goes on in between his ears. Carr suffers from the same syndrome that many other first round busts suffered from (including his brother, David): mechanical breakdown in the face of pressure. When faced with a blitz, Carr tends to drop the ball below his shoulders and take his eyes off his downfield reads. "
From that link:
"The biggest concern regarding Carr is what goes on in between his ears. Carr suffers from the same syndrome that many other first round busts suffered from (including his brother, David): mechanical breakdown in the face of pressure. When faced with a blitz, Carr tends to drop the ball below his shoulders and take his eyes off his downfield reads. "
I agree. I think Carr has more problems than people are letting on. I don't want to see us touch him, at least not when people are predicting him to go.
I'm not enthralled with this year's draft class. There's two that I would like to see us get, but Carr isn't one of them.
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Well it looks like Cleveland won't be able to draft Carr unless they trade up anyways. He's probably going top 3.
Say Hello to this guy.
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If you're picking between Carr and Manziel, I would take Johnny in a heartbeat. People that have been around him says he's got
football inteligence. He will be able to change plays, and will learn quickly that he can't out run NFL talent and has the fire that we
haven't seen since Kosar. There are other picks out there that are ok, but Carr isn't one of them.
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I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I have said it before, if arm talent was all that mattered then we probably would have had the same starting QB here since 2007....one Mr. Derek Anderson. But, alas, as you said....the brain power was missing there.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
Carr was nowhere near the QB in 2012 as he has been in 2013. He played the entire 2012 season with an abdominal tear, and was it was visible as he would be jumpy in the pocket, throw off his back foot often, and throw it to the primary receiver a lot. In 2013, he stands strong in the pocket, goes through his progressions well, and steps through all his throws, even providing nice touch at times. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes #1.
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Yes. Most quarterbacks have thrown 60 yard passes while under zero pressure to wide open receivers.
Yes. Most quarterbacks have thrown 60 yard passes while under zero pressure to wide open receivers.
How about this one? Looks like a ton of pressure and he doesn't even step into the throw. That thing is thrown on a rope from about the 17 and ends up near the 20 yard line. That's about 63 yards in the air.
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"I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis."
That would be a hell of a crapshoot. They have the picks this year.
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I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis.
I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis.
I'll bet you have an orange & brown shirt that says, "Wait 'til next year"
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"I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis."
That would be a hell of a crapshoot. They have the picks this year.
"I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis."
That would be a hell of a crapshoot. They have the picks this year.
And there's no clear #1 QB. Just having the picks doesn't magically mean the quality is there. This is a year where there's 4 or 5 guys who could turn out to be good or turn out to suck.
I'll bet you have an orange & brown shirt that says, "Wait 'til next year"
No, but I do have about 12 jerseys of QB's not on this team anymore.
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