Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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I have said it before, if arm talent was all that mattered then we probably would have had the same starting QB here since 2007....one Mr. Derek Anderson. But, alas, as you said....the brain power was missing there.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
Be careful, some people have ridiculous love affairs with Carr.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/217258/201_nfl_draft_qb_scouting.html
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I've been watching film of this year (Carr) and it's pretty fantastic. What I've read is that he's shown a lot of growth as a technician and decision maker this year (he's never turned the ball over). And also he's a more mature leader, partially from having a kid and getting married.
How smart is he? That I don't know yet but I'm a huge fan of smart at quarterback. You definitely don't have to sell me on that one. If I read that Carr's dim, I'll bail. It doesn't work.
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When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
Be careful, some people have ridiculous love affairs with Carr.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/217258/201_nfl_draft_qb_scouting.html
Be careful, some people have ridiculous love affairs with Carr.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/217258/201_nfl_draft_qb_scouting.html
From that link:
"The biggest concern regarding Carr is what goes on in between his ears. Carr suffers from the same syndrome that many other first round busts suffered from (including his brother, David): mechanical breakdown in the face of pressure. When faced with a blitz, Carr tends to drop the ball below his shoulders and take his eyes off his downfield reads. "
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Be careful, some people have ridiculous love affairs with Carr.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/217258/201_nfl_draft_qb_scouting.html
From that link:
"The biggest concern regarding Carr is what goes on in between his ears. Carr suffers from the same syndrome that many other first round busts suffered from (including his brother, David): mechanical breakdown in the face of pressure. When faced with a blitz, Carr tends to drop the ball below his shoulders and take his eyes off his downfield reads. "
From that link:
"The biggest concern regarding Carr is what goes on in between his ears. Carr suffers from the same syndrome that many other first round busts suffered from (including his brother, David): mechanical breakdown in the face of pressure. When faced with a blitz, Carr tends to drop the ball below his shoulders and take his eyes off his downfield reads. "
I agree. I think Carr has more problems than people are letting on. I don't want to see us touch him, at least not when people are predicting him to go.
I'm not enthralled with this year's draft class. There's two that I would like to see us get, but Carr isn't one of them.
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Well it looks like Cleveland won't be able to draft Carr unless they trade up anyways. He's probably going top 3.
Say Hello to this guy.
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If you're picking between Carr and Manziel, I would take Johnny in a heartbeat. People that have been around him says he's got
football inteligence. He will be able to change plays, and will learn quickly that he can't out run NFL talent and has the fire that we
haven't seen since Kosar. There are other picks out there that are ok, but Carr isn't one of them.
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I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I have said it before, if arm talent was all that mattered then we probably would have had the same starting QB here since 2007....one Mr. Derek Anderson. But, alas, as you said....the brain power was missing there.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
When people ask who the elite QBs in the league are, you usually here Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. Three of these four are the most intelligent QBs in the game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719664-who-are-the-smartest-qbs-in-the-nfl-today
I researched Carr, and in an scouting report written before this season, they said things that made me think of Weeden, namely:
1. Big arm
2. Stares down receivers
3. Doesn't go through progressions
Has he shown different this year? I honestly haven't watched much film on him. If this stuff is still true of him, I'm starting to think I don't want any part of him. I'm much less enamored with this QB draft class than I was a month ago, and am starting to think that unless they can get Bridgewater, they ought to pick a smart QB with good-enough arm talent (AJ McCarron maybe) in the third round and develop him.
Carr was nowhere near the QB in 2012 as he has been in 2013. He played the entire 2012 season with an abdominal tear, and was it was visible as he would be jumpy in the pocket, throw off his back foot often, and throw it to the primary receiver a lot. In 2013, he stands strong in the pocket, goes through his progressions well, and steps through all his throws, even providing nice touch at times. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes #1.
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Yes. Most quarterbacks have thrown 60 yard passes while under zero pressure to wide open receivers.
Yes. Most quarterbacks have thrown 60 yard passes while under zero pressure to wide open receivers.
How about this one? Looks like a ton of pressure and he doesn't even step into the throw. That thing is thrown on a rope from about the 17 and ends up near the 20 yard line. That's about 63 yards in the air.
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"I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis."
That would be a hell of a crapshoot. They have the picks this year.
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I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis.
I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis.
I'll bet you have an orange & brown shirt that says, "Wait 'til next year"
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"I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis."
That would be a hell of a crapshoot. They have the picks this year.
"I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis."
That would be a hell of a crapshoot. They have the picks this year.
And there's no clear #1 QB. Just having the picks doesn't magically mean the quality is there. This is a year where there's 4 or 5 guys who could turn out to be good or turn out to suck.
I'll bet you have an orange & brown shirt that says, "Wait 'til next year"
No, but I do have about 12 jerseys of QB's not on this team anymore.
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Starting to like Walterfootball again... his latest mock
1 - Brett Hundley - QB - UCLA
1b - Marquise Lee - WR - USC
2 - Ryan Shazier - LB - OSU
3a - Deone Bucannon - S - Wash St
3b - Carlos Hyde - RB - OSU
If Hundley declares, he'd be a good pick but he would have to sit for a year or so. He is not the type of polished QB who would jump right in. We'd be looking at Hoyer/Campbell next year as our starter with Hundley learning from the Belichick/Brady disciple - Hoyer, and 2 good QB coaches in Norv and Chud.
#Justsayin' -
Starting to like Walterfootball again... his latest mock
1 - Brett Hundley - QB - UCLA
1b - Marquise Lee - WR - USC
2 - Ryan Shazier - LB - OSU
3a - Deone Bucannon - S - Wash St
3b - Carlos Hyde - RB - OSU
If Hundley declares, he'd be a good pick but he would have to sit for a year or so. He is not the type of polished QB who would jump right in. We'd be looking at Hoyer/Campbell next year as our starter with Hundley learning from the Belichick/Brady disciple - Hoyer, and 2 good QB coaches in Norv and Chud.
That looks amazing.Starting to like Walterfootball again... his latest mock
1 - Brett Hundley - QB - UCLA
1b - Marquise Lee - WR - USC
2 - Ryan Shazier - LB - OSU
3a - Deone Bucannon - S - Wash St
3b - Carlos Hyde - RB - OSU
If Hundley declares, he'd be a good pick but he would have to sit for a year or so. He is not the type of polished QB who would jump right in. We'd be looking at Hoyer/Campbell next year as our starter with Hundley learning from the Belichick/Brady disciple - Hoyer, and 2 good QB coaches in Norv and Chud.
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Starting to like Walterfootball again... his latest mock
1 - Brett Hundley - QB - UCLA
1b - Marquise Lee - WR - USC
2 - Ryan Shazier - LB - OSU
3a - Deone Bucannon - S - Wash St
3b - Carlos Hyde - RB - OSU
If Hundley declares, he'd be a good pick but he would have to sit for a year or so. He is not the type of polished QB who would jump right in. We'd be looking at Hoyer/Campbell next year as our starter with Hundley learning from the Belichick/Brady disciple - Hoyer, and 2 good QB coaches in Norv and Chud.
Starting to like Walterfootball again... his latest mock
1 - Brett Hundley - QB - UCLA
1b - Marquise Lee - WR - USC
2 - Ryan Shazier - LB - OSU
3a - Deone Bucannon - S - Wash St
3b - Carlos Hyde - RB - OSU
If Hundley declares, he'd be a good pick but he would have to sit for a year or so. He is not the type of polished QB who would jump right in. We'd be looking at Hoyer/Campbell next year as our starter with Hundley learning from the Belichick/Brady disciple - Hoyer, and 2 good QB coaches in Norv and Chud.
Replace Hyde with Dyer and I'm all in on this draft.
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Starting to like Walterfootball again... his latest mock
1 - Brett Hundley - QB - UCLA
1b - Marquise Lee - WR - USC
2 - Ryan Shazier - LB - OSU
3a - Deone Bucannon - S - Wash St
3b - Carlos Hyde - RB - OSU
If Hundley declares, he'd be a good pick but he would have to sit for a year or so. He is not the type of polished QB who would jump right in. We'd be looking at Hoyer/Campbell next year as our starter with Hundley learning from the Belichick/Brady disciple - Hoyer, and 2 good QB coaches in Norv and Chud.
Starting to like Walterfootball again... his latest mock
1 - Brett Hundley - QB - UCLA
1b - Marquise Lee - WR - USC
2 - Ryan Shazier - LB - OSU
3a - Deone Bucannon - S - Wash St
3b - Carlos Hyde - RB - OSU
If Hundley declares, he'd be a good pick but he would have to sit for a year or so. He is not the type of polished QB who would jump right in. We'd be looking at Hoyer/Campbell next year as our starter with Hundley learning from the Belichick/Brady disciple - Hoyer, and 2 good QB coaches in Norv and Chud.
Who could argue with that draft.
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Yes. Most quarterbacks have thrown 60 yard passes while under zero pressure to wide open receivers.
How about this one? Looks like a ton of pressure and he doesn't even step into the throw. That thing is thrown on a rope from about the 17 and ends up near the 20 yard line. That's about 63 yards in the air.
That thing is thrown on a rope from about the 17 and ends up near the 20 yard line. That's about 63 yards in the air.
One of us clearly does not know the meaning of "thrown on a rope"... and it ain't me...
"I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis."
That would be a hell of a crapshoot. They have the picks this year.
And there is absolutely nothing that prevents us from rolling some of our 2014's out to and up in the 2015 draft.
As Shep has said... no way are we actually going to draft a player with each of the 2014's we currently hold.
Who could argue with that draft.
I'l be happy to if no one else wants it...
For starters, I don't see Hyde lasting all the way to our 3b...
There are a lot of mirages in this QB desert. While I am starting to warm to Hundley, I'm just not there yet.
So far the only risk/ reward pick I see as worthy in this draft remains as it has been... McCarron in the third... perhaps late second.
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Here's my bottom line on this whole topic...
Our FO is responsible for putting two, good NFLcalibere QBs on our season opening roster. By going 2 for 2 I'm willing to accept theirjudgmentt if and when they take a QB in the 2014 draft.
Ditto if they opt to trade away picks and/ or players for a current NFL QB.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
That thing is thrown on a rope from about the 17 and ends up near the 20 yard line. That's about 63 yards in the air.
One of us clearly does not know the meaning of "thrown on a rope"... and it ain't me...
"I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis."
That would be a hell of a crapshoot. They have the picks this year.
And there is absolutely nothing that prevents us from rolling some of our 2014's out to and up in the 2015 draft.
As Shep has said... no way are we actually going to draft a player with each of the 2014's we currently hold.
Who could argue with that draft.
I'l be happy to if no one else wants it...
For starters, I don't see Hyde lasting all the way to our 3b...
There are a lot of mirages in this QB desert. While I am starting to warm to Hundley, I'm just not there yet.
So far the only risk/ reward pick I see as worthy in this draft remains as it has been... McCarron in the third... perhaps late second.
***************************************************************
Here's my bottom line on this whole topic...
Our FO is responsible for putting two, good NFLcalibere QBs on our season opening roster. By going 2 for 2 I'm willing to accept theirjudgmentt if and when they take a QB in the 2014 draft.
Ditto if they opt to trade away picks and/ or players for a current NFL QB.
One of us clearly does not know the meaning of "thrown on a rope"... and it ain't me...
And there is absolutely nothing that prevents us from rolling some of our 2014's out to and up in the 2015 draft.
As Shep has said... no way are we actually going to draft a player with each of the 2014's we currently hold.
I'l be happy to if no one else wants it...
For starters, I don't see Hyde lasting all the way to our 3b...
There are a lot of mirages in this QB desert. While I am starting to warm to Hundley, I'm just not there yet.
So far the only risk/ reward pick I see as worthy in this draft remains as it has been... McCarron in the third... perhaps late second.
***************************************************************
Here's my bottom line on this whole topic...
Our FO is responsible for putting two, good NFLcalibere QBs on our season opening roster. By going 2 for 2 I'm willing to accept theirjudgmentt if and when they take a QB in the 2014 draft.
Ditto if they opt to trade away picks and/ or players for a current NFL QB.
I wouldn't be opposed to McCarron but I don't believe he's on the FO's radar.
Based off what we know, Chud and Norv have, for the better part of the last decade, nearly always had guys who oozed athletic talent with Howitzer arms. They haven't always been the most mobile (I'm looking at you, DA), but the one common denominator has been above average arm strength.
I don't know why that would change now, especially with them together again.
I think we'd see a Mettenberger before a McCarron.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
That thing is thrown on a rope from about the 17 and ends up near the 20 yard line. That's about 63 yards in the air.
One of us clearly does not know the meaning of "thrown on a rope"... and it ain't me...
"I'd pick neither and wait for Jameis."
That would be a hell of a crapshoot. They have the picks this year.
And there is absolutely nothing that prevents us from rolling some of our 2014's out to and up in the 2015 draft.
As Shep has said... no way are we actually going to draft a player with each of the 2014's we currently hold.
Who could argue with that draft.
I'l be happy to if no one else wants it...
For starters, I don't see Hyde lasting all the way to our 3b...
There are a lot of mirages in this QB desert. While I am starting to warm to Hundley, I'm just not there yet.
So far the only risk/ reward pick I see as worthy in this draft remains as it has been... McCarron in the third... perhaps late second.
***************************************************************
Here's my bottom line on this whole topic...
Our FO is responsible for putting two, good NFLcalibere QBs on our season opening roster. By going 2 for 2 I'm willing to accept theirjudgmentt if and when they take a QB in the 2014 draft.
Ditto if they opt to trade away picks and/ or players for a current NFL QB.
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