Stoolers

[Erie Dawg]

@nickers said:

Hoorta:

Your wasting words on this prick..Not one time has he contributed anything but lie about his business here. He hasnt contributed "ONE SINGLE THREAD" about the AFC in general. Wich he claims to come here and find info about ...But you never hear a peep out of him unless someone mentions something about his Stoolers. He sits here lurking then runs his stupid bitch mouth. He's a complete liar and he knows it.. What he doesnt understand is "we all know it too". It becomes reduntantly hilarious how he sticks his own foot in his mouth time after time.

can I add that he's a spineless homo that wouldn't bet milk or I... all the while clamoring how the steelers have pro bowl caliber players on the bench and the stools always nail the draft.

Cap cuts are coming once again this year (evil laugh).

[The Gipper]

@vagitron said:

It was a linebacker on the punter, huber was there to make the play and he was blocked. It wasnt a headshot and it was perfectly legal. Reports are saying he likely had prior hairline fracture of his vertabrae and the hit just did it in completely. If the same block was applied by a brown you all would be clamoring about it in a positive manner. Its a steeler so out come the tears

When you hit someone square in the face, how can you say that was not a head shot?

Are you looking at different anatomy manual than the rest of us? Or did you think this guy was an alien where his head is where his dick should be and his dick where his head should be?

[The Gipper]

pghbigkev said:

Funny, but your description of Steelers fans sounds allot like how I would describe OSU fans.

As far as the cheap shots, this is where you and your fanbase is very hypocritical. If a Browns player laid out a Steelers player in the same manner that you describe above, their would be orgasms on this very board for years. Don't be a hypocrite.

Maybe.....but at least we would acknowledge it as a cheap shot. I mean, yinzers have to go back 40 years to find a cheap shot by a Browns player on a Steeler. Was what Joe Turkey Jones did to Terry Bradshaw a cheap shot? Sure it was. We acknowledge that....and have for 40 years.

(but...yes, that does not mean we were not entertained by it. Can you imagine what kind of punishment he would get today?)

At least figure this....the Browns did the rest of the AFC a favor when TJ Ward....on a completely clean legit hit, took out Gronkowski. Hopefully that action will spare us all from having to see the Patriots (yes, one of the darlings of the Networks because they are Boston/East coast as that is what they are biased toward) from making a deep playoff run.

[alwardc4]

pghbigkev said:

Funny, but your description of Steelers fans sounds allot like how I would describe OSU fans.

As far as the cheap shots, this is where you and your fanbase is very hypocritical. If a Browns player laid out a Steelers player in the same manner that you describe above, their would be orgasms on this very board for years. Don't be a hypocrite.

First wrong assumption, I am not an OSU fan. Also, college sports and pro sports are waaaay different. Prolonged dominance in college is much easier to sustain than in a salary cap pro league. Its not even close and mindless comparison you made. OSU is much more likely to be excellent for the next few decades than any NFL team.

Second wrong assumption, how do you know I hypocritical? I dont like those hits either way. I didn't realize you were sitting in my living room when I cringe on a tj ward hit.

[Vagitron]

@erie-dawg said:

can I add that he's a spineless homo that wouldn't bet milk or I... all the while clamoring how the steelers have pro bowl caliber players on the bench and the stools always nail the draft.

Cap cuts are coming once again this year (evil laugh).

I never said we weren't betting, we never finalized anything and just seemed to stop talking about it before the season began. Figure out a bet for next season that's reasonable.

[Vagitron]

@the-gipper said:

Maybe.....but at least we would acknowledge it as a cheap shot. I mean, yinzers have to go back 40 years to find a cheap shot by a Browns player on a Steeler. Was what Joe Turkey Jones did to Terry Bradshaw a cheap shot? Sure it was. We acknowledge that....and have for 40 years.

(but...yes, that does not mean we were not entertained by it. Can you imagine what kind of punishment he would get today?)

At least figure this....the Browns did the rest of the AFC a favor when TJ Ward....on a completely clean legit hit, took out Gronkowski. Hopefully that action will spare us all from having to see the Patriots (yes, one of the darlings of the Networks because they are Boston/East coast as that is what they are biased toward) from making a deep playoff run.

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Ive watched a gif. Of that hit several times over and they happen all the time on kick and return coverage. He didn't lead with his helmet his helmet made contact with Huber and his facemask as a result of Huber being smaller and garvin not getting low enough. Its also why this rule is a little ridiculous. I would also like to know why a punter is considered defenseless. If he can make a tackle on the ball carrier to stop the return why is he defenseless? If we are protecting the punters and kickers of the league they should just be taken out of those plays all together. Bottom line there is no consistency with the NFL and these calls and that's the biggest problem. Dig up the gif. There is t a player in the NFL that would prefer a player go super low just like ward on gronk. ward went that low to avoid a fine but he also ruined gronks season and seriously jeopradized his long term career. I blame the lg not ward.

[The Gipper]

@vagitron said:

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Ive watched a gif. Of that hit several times over and they happen all the time on kick and return coverage. He didn't lead with his helmet his helmet made contact with Huber and his facemask as a result of Huber being smaller and garvin not getting low enough. Its also why this rule is a little ridiculous. I would also like to know why a punter is considered defenseless. If he can make a tackle on the ball carrier to stop the return why is he defenseless? If we are protecting the punters and kickers of the league they should just be taken out of those plays all together. Bottom line there is no consistency with the NFL and these calls and that's the biggest problem. Dig up the gif. There is t a player in the NFL that would prefer a player go super low just like ward on gronk. ward went that low to avoid a fine but he also ruined gronks season and seriously jeopradized his long term career. I blame the lg not ward.

The guy hits him first with his helmet to the face mask....but he didn't lead with his helmet? Like I said, you have a bizarre sense of anatomy.

FYI....if the league didn't have a rule about "no hitting near the head"....Ward still did the right thing to take him low.

I mean the very little football that I personally was involved in playing, I was taught to "knock a guy off his feet" by grabbing him low and disallowing his legs to function. Ward hit the guy low and knocked him off his feet....right like he should be taught to do.

I got hit playing football once just like Gronk did, right on the knee, by an all league performer at LB. Fortuneatly I was not hurt as bad. Just a sprain.

But, I made up for it by getting my ACL tear playing baseball.

[BigGayKev]

@the-gipper said:

Maybe.....but at least we would acknowledge it as a cheap shot. I mean, yinzers have to go back 40 years to find a cheap shot by a Browns player on a Steeler. Was what Joe Turkey Jones did to Terry Bradshaw a cheap shot? Sure it was. We acknowledge that....and have for 40 years.

(but...yes, that does not mean we were not entertained by it. Can you imagine what kind of punishment he would get today?)

At least figure this....the Browns did the rest of the AFC a favor when TJ Ward....on a completely clean legit hit, took out Gronkowski. Hopefully that action will spare us all from having to see the Patriots (yes, one of the darlings of the Networks because they are Boston/East coast as that is what they are biased toward) from making a deep playoff run.

You are using a poor comparison. The hit on the Punter was an acceptable hit up until the Roger Goodell era. The Bradshaw hit was always considered a dirty hit. But to be honest, I never got all that outraged even with the Bradshaw hit, because it's football and there is a very fine line between dirty and not dirty. The Steelers have always played on this fine line throughout their history, even before Noll they were known as a team that wasn't very fun to play against. Again, this is football, it's supposed to be tough.

[The Gipper]

pghbigkev said:

You are using a poor comparison. The hit on the Punter was an acceptable hit up until the Roger Goodell era. The Bradshaw hit was always considered a dirty hit. But to be honest, I never got all that outraged even with the Bradshaw hit, because it's football and there is a very fine line between dirty and not dirty. The Steelers have always played on this fine line throughout their history, even before Noll they were known as a team that wasn't very fun to play against. Again, this is football, it's supposed to be tough.

I guess I need to see that hit again. If it can be posted, I can better make up my own mind.

(and I wouldn't blame these rules on Goodell. He is doing what he needs to do to protect his owners interests from lawsuits by former/current/future players).

I know that the Steelers have been considered a dirty team since Noll came on board. That was a trademark of the Steel Curtain.

Yes, they were dirty as fuck.....and one Joe Jones play didn't make up for dozens of dirty plays by the Steelers.

Prior to the Noll era, I am not aware that they were considered dirty.

I know that John Henry Johnson was one hell of a tough runner...but I don't know about dirty.

[Buck The Frowns]

I hate to see someone blasted like Huber was, but I bet this rule is quietly modified in some way in the off season. Roughing the kicker has been around a long time but making punters a protected species through the whole play is much more recent. If they are going to try to make a tackle, as Huber was intending to do, they have to be treated like other players. Or give punters a different color helmet. Or make them leave the field of play as quickly as possible, maybe assess a penalty if they block or attempt to tackle. I don't know.

If he had not been a punter, the block would have been legal. Until this year it might have been legal to hit a punter on the return if he was attempting to make a play.

Anyone notice the Bungles #40 grabbing the returner's chin an instant after Huber is hit? It turned his head while he was running full speed. A lot of nasty injuries do happen during returns.

[Buck The Frowns]

@the-gipper said:

Maybe.....but at least we would acknowledge it as a cheap shot. I mean, yinzers have to go back 40 years to find a cheap shot by a Browns player on a Steeler. Was what Joe Turkey Jones did to Terry Bradshaw a cheap shot? Sure it was. We acknowledge that....and have for 40 years.

(but...yes, that does not mean we were not entertained by it. Can you imagine what kind of punishment he would get today?)

At least figure this....the Browns did the rest of the AFC a favor when TJ Ward....on a completely clean legit hit, took out Gronkowski. Hopefully that action will spare us all from having to see the Patriots (yes, one of the darlings of the Networks because they are Boston/East coast as that is what they are biased toward) from making a deep playoff run.

If Turkey Jones was playing for the Browns today he would be their best defensive player. All the more amazing because must be 70 years old by now.

[Buck The Frowns]

@alwardc4 said:

They will attribute their winning ways to the 'genius' well ran franchise. And you know what? Of course they are well ran. Yet, they are completely oblivious to the variance and luck that goes into having a winning team (yes, even for decades.

They are (were?) well run and developed a method that kept them in contention for a long time. I never saw a team that could lose players to free agency and not miss a beat like they did. When they let someone walk, their apprentice was usually ready. Then they quit using their own successful method. They went too long with players and are paying the price now, on defense. There drafts have been mediocre for a while as well, though 2013 was better. I don't know why that happened, maybe whoever was evaluating the talent moved on to other jobs with other teams.

On the offensive line they seem to have terrible injuries every year and have to get guys off the street to play. I honestly never heard of their center before, and before that the center was Geraldo Rivera or something, and everyone else is playing out of position.

Maybe it is as you say, variance and luck.

[hoorta]

pghbigkev said:

You are using a poor comparison. The hit on the Punter was an acceptable hit up until the Roger Goodell era. The Bradshaw hit was always considered a dirty hit. But to be honest, I never got all that outraged even with the Bradshaw hit, because it's football and there is a very fine line between dirty and not dirty. The Steelers have always played on this fine line throughout their history, even before Noll they were known as a team that wasn't very fun to play against. Again, this is football, it's supposed to be tough.

Yeah- if then was now, doubtless Turkey Jones' pile driver of any quarterback would probably be a $100k fine and at least a four game if not a season long ban. 20 years ago, the hit on the Bengals punter would be nice hit, too bad about your jaw. I saw Lynn Swann almost get decapitated diving for a sideline catch and the opposing player- can't remember the team-wasn't the Browns- hung out a perfect closeline to the neck. Only a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct.

It's a violent game- enough injuries happen inadvertently- but I'll draw the line where there is intent to injure- and just MHO- that was the intent on the punter. BTW, you can blame that rule change on Hines Ward- he made a living out of cheap blindside hits- and the league has taken a stance against it.

[The Gipper]

@buck-the-frowns said:

If Turkey Jones was playing for the Browns today he would be their best defensive player. All the more amazing because must be 70 years old by now.

Hardee har har. I think it was Ted Williams who first used that line when asked if he could hit .400 against "today's pitchers".

[The Gipper]

@hoorta said:

Yeah- if then was now, doubtless Turkey Jones' pile driver of any quarterback would probably be a $100k fine and at least a four game if not a season long ban. 20 years ago, the hit on the Bengals punter would be nice hit, too bad about your jaw. I saw Lynn Swann almost get decapitated diving for a sideline catch and the opposing player- can't remember the team-wasn't the Browns- hung out a perfect closeline to the neck. Only a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct.

It's a violent game- enough injuries happen inadvertently- but I'll draw the line where there is intent to injure- and just MHO- that was the intent on the punter. BTW, you can blame that rule change on Hines Ward- he made a living out of cheap blindside hits- and the league has taken a stance against it.

That other team was the Raiders.....who were about equally as dirty as the Steelers. Sorry, but the Browns could not keep up with those two teams in terms of cheap shots. the Turkey Jones play is so renown because it was like the only time the Browns ever even came close to doing something the Steelers and Raiders did on a regular basis.

[BigGayKev]

@the-gipper said:

That other team was the Raiders.....who were about equally as dirty as the Steelers. Sorry, but the Browns could not keep up with those two teams in terms of cheap shots. the Turkey Jones play is so renown because it was like the only time the Browns ever even came close to doing something the Steelers and Raiders did on a regular basis.

Tomato/Tomaato It's all one's perspective. Being a lifelong Steelers fan I never viewed the Steelers as dirty. Just a tough as nails team that tried to impose their will on the opposing team.

Lastly, I have watched every Steelers vs Browns games since the 70's and the Brown's took plenty of questionable shots on Steelers players throughout the years. I remember Lambert coming off of the Bench to go after a Browns player who drilled Bradshaw well out of bounds. I was there at Three Rivers for the playoff game in 94 when Keenan McArdell took a flying head shot to another level on Chad Brown after an interception that was well after the play.

Bottom line is that every team that plays a physical brand can be labeled as cheap, there is a fine line. Cheap shots in my book are going after a players legs well behind the play. Something that the Broncos taught their Olines for years.

[The Gipper]

pghbigkev said:

Tomato/Tomaato It's all one's perspective. Being a lifelong Steelers fan I never viewed the Steelers as dirty. Just a tough as nails team that tried to impose their will on the opposing team.

Well, your eyes are full of piss then. You just didn't want to see the dirt that they pulled.

Lastly, I have watched every Steelers vs Browns games since the 70's and the Brown's took plenty of questionable shots on Steelers players throughout the years. I remember Lambert coming off of the Bench to go after a Browns player who drilled Bradshaw well out of bounds.

Hello, dumbass.....it was Lambert who laid cheap shots on Brian Sipe on at least 2 occasions. If Lambert came off the bench to go after someone it is because he liked to fight, pure and simple. Like I said, your brain is full of yellow urine if you can't remember those facts..

I was there at Three Rivers for the playoff game in 94 when Keenan McArdell took a flying head shot to another level on Chud Brown after an interception that was well after the play.

And how many dozens of times had Hines Ward done exactly that?

Bottom line is that every team that plays a physical brand can be labeled as cheap, there is a fine line. Cheap shots in my book are going after a players legs well behind the play. Something that the Broncos taught their Olines for years.

Well, maybe the Steelers were simply more overt with their cheap shots.

Let's just put it this way: For like 30 of the last 40 years the Steelers have had a player carrying the mantle "Dirtiest Player" in the league. Hell, for a few years they had a few of their players vying against each other for that title.....like Ward vs. Harrison

Sorry....but we don't need whiny babies like you simply because occasionally what goes around comes around.

[Buck The Frowns]

@the-gipper said:

Hardee har har. I think it was Ted Williams who first used that line when asked if he could hit .400 against "today's pitchers".

Sorry Gipper. Not up to the standards of my Milledgeville joke, I know.

I was looking at the NFL penalty site, where they show who got caught for what and who benefitted from opponents infractions. It varies a lot by team. NE seems to have a lot called against opponents and gets a lot of yardage that way. Pittsburgh was not at the top in anything except for getting called for cut blocking. Now that is a stupid penalty, officials are right there and can't miss it because it is obvious. I think it is indicative of overmatched inexperienced o-linemen that Pittsburgh has had to bring in.

[BigGayKev]

@the-gipper said:

Wow, what an uniformed post.

First, Lambert had one hit out of bounds on Sipe, the other that you are referring to was done by Keith Gary.

Second, when referring to Hines Ward, none of these hits were late, penalized or dirty,Just blocks made by the best blocking WR ever. Unlike Keenan's hit which came well after the play. And it was funny that after he took his cheap shot he actually ran off the field to avoid Greg Lloyd who wanted to kill him. Lloyd waited two more years when Keenan was in Jacksonville to get his retribution. That's how the Steelers roll. Hines was a warrior, the Browns would consider themselves lucky ever to have a competitor like him wear your stinky colors.

Lastly, as far as crying. The Browns fan base was the biggest group of whiners I have ever seen that glorious day back in 2010 when James Harrison Knocked out your entire football team. And it actually peaked into full panty complainers when in Harrison KTFO your QB from Texas.

The above points are facts and not up for argument.

[calfoxwc]

Forget it, squeeler fans. It goes way back, this history of winning, if necessary, with cheap,

violent shots.

Like taking the Cincy qb out, early, in an important game.

All the nonsense rationalizations won't change the dirty, cheapshot steeler history.

Comes with the steriod use, perhaps...