The War On Christmas!
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Osiris that's primarily because we, here in the US, are more or less civilized. Unlike Bosnia.
I think that people, when balkanized into a little groups no matter what type they are, will fight with each other.
It's equally useless to belly ache about the Crusades. (not that you did that here) Yes there is brutality in the world and many times religion is accused of being the culprit. We and NATO carpet bomb a few thousand civilians because Milosevic was mean to the Muslims. What did that buy us?
But I disagree on the Constitution. I don't think it guarantees anybody jack shit. We are free to practice whatever we choose as long as it doesn't piss off the liberal, or otherwise, big voting blocks.
And it certainly seems to me that there is a finite amount of religions that the Constitution pretends to protect. I've always wondered how they draw distinctions between religions and what they might call cults. The government justified slaughtering Mormons years ago and more recently didn't have a problem wiping out Christians, albeit an odd sect, in Waco.
Like I keep saying people fight with each other. If they are different colors or speak different languages or have different physical features great! If not date makeup religious differences. If they are the same religion they will find the most minor discrepancies to bitch about.
The war on Christmas exist, I believe, but it doesn't rise above the level of evil than just a bunch of people who want to be assholes and get some attention. And I mean the people who would protest a nativity scene or the call to prayer in Dearborn Michigan.
WSS
We are civilized because we have the resources to keep everyone happy enough to not start killing each other. So yes break people into small groups and make them compete for resources and they will start killing each other. Still, my point is that this whole persecution of and war on Christians is semantically disingenuous. Nobody is raising an army and wiping out Christians en-masse.Osiris that's primarily because we, here in the US, are more or less civilized. Unlike Bosnia.
I think that people, when balkanized into a little groups no matter what type they are, will fight with each other.
It's equally useless to belly ache about the Crusades. (not that you did that here) Yes there is brutality in the world and many times religion is accused of being the culprit. We and NATO carpet bomb a few thousand civilians because Milosevic was mean to the Muslims. What did that buy us?
But I disagree on the Constitution. I don't think it guarantees anybody jack shit. We are free to practice whatever we choose as long as it doesn't piss off the liberal, or otherwise, big voting blocks.
And it certainly seems to me that there is a finite amount of religions that the Constitution pretends to protect. I've always wondered how they draw distinctions between religions and what they might call cults. The government justified slaughtering Mormons years ago and more recently didn't have a problem wiping out Christians, albeit an odd sect, in Waco.
Like I keep saying people fight with each other. If they are different colors or speak different languages or have different physical features great! If not date makeup religious differences. If they are the same religion they will find the most minor discrepancies to bitch about.
The war on Christmas exist, I believe, but it doesn't rise above the level of evil than just a bunch of people who want to be assholes and get some attention. And I mean the people who would protest a nativity scene or the call to prayer in Dearborn Michigan.
WSS
I do think the constitution guarantees freedom of religion. It is the people who are not upholding the constitution that are at fault. It isn't just Liberals who threaten this core American value, it is those conservatives who, while decrying the persecution of Christians, persecute members of other religions living in the USA. I would like to know if the people who are upset about these stupid nativity protests are equally upset by church leaders in Florida who want to burn Qurans.
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Do you suppose it'd be as much outrage if someone were burning Bibles or American flags? Usually in those situations I hear folks cleaning it's our right to protest. Whether or not you are one of them I don't know. What I do know is that I ended by post talking about the people who bitch about the call to prayer in Dearborn Michigan.
If you haven't been to Dearborn you are not only missing out on a very cool city but probably the largest percentage of Muslims in any American town its size. And there were Christians bitching about the call to prayer. Just some people who wanted to be assholes.
I would say that's a similar situation to wanting to force people to take down nativity scenes.
The powers that be in US government, as you may recall, went positively ballistic over the guys burning the Koran.
Oddly enough it seemed that was the same demographic that supported the taxpayer funded artwork of Jesus in a bottle of piss.
Does that fit your definition of irony?
And we are most certainly on the same page as to what really makes people fight with each other. Here in the US we have everything we need so we find smaller things to fight about. Poverty in Detroit is hardly poverty on the African continent....
WSS
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How would you like this in Cleveland? Or LA? Or any city? I sure the hell wouldn't.
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Do you suppose it'd be as much outrage if someone were burning Bibles or American flags? Usually in those situations I hear folks cleaning it's our right to protest. Whether or not you are one of them I don't know. What I do know is that I ended by post talking about the people who bitch about the call to prayer in Dearborn Michigan.
If you haven't been to Dearborn you are not only missing out on a very cool city but probably the largest percentage of Muslims in any American town its size. And there were Christians bitching about the call to prayer. Just some people who wanted to be assholes.
I would say that's a similar situation to wanting to force people to take down nativity scenes.
The powers that be in US government, as you may recall, went positively ballistic over the guys burning the Koran.
Oddly enough it seemed that was the same demographic that supported the taxpayer funded artwork of Jesus in a bottle of piss.
Does that fit your definition of irony?
And we are most certainly on the same page as to what really makes people fight with each other. Here in the US we have everything we need so we find smaller things to fight about. Poverty in Detroit is hardly poverty on the African continent....
WSS
I've been to Dearborn, yes, and sorry I missed what you said about call to prayer there, but I never figured you would be hypocritical about it, it's others that are. And I never complained about the way government handles Quran burning, I'm complaining that some of the people (not you) who complain that Christianity is being attacked are attacking other religions.Do you suppose it'd be as much outrage if someone were burning Bibles or American flags? Usually in those situations I hear folks cleaning it's our right to protest. Whether or not you are one of them I don't know. What I do know is that I ended by post talking about the people who bitch about the call to prayer in Dearborn Michigan.
If you haven't been to Dearborn you are not only missing out on a very cool city but probably the largest percentage of Muslims in any American town its size. And there were Christians bitching about the call to prayer. Just some people who wanted to be assholes.
I would say that's a similar situation to wanting to force people to take down nativity scenes.
The powers that be in US government, as you may recall, went positively ballistic over the guys burning the Koran.
Oddly enough it seemed that was the same demographic that supported the taxpayer funded artwork of Jesus in a bottle of piss.
Does that fit your definition of irony?
And we are most certainly on the same page as to what really makes people fight with each other. Here in the US we have everything we need so we find smaller things to fight about. Poverty in Detroit is hardly poverty on the African continent....
WSS
I don't know who funded the Jesus in the bottle of piss thing, but regardless it is wrong. Never heard of it until you mentioned it.
And no, I don't support Bible burning, that would be hypocritical. Same with flag burning. People who think they have it bad hear should try living in Egypt, where resources are much scarcer. Some of the things we protest here are luxury protests elsewhere.
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How would you like this in Cleveland? Or LA? Or any city? I sure the hell wouldn't.
The only reason that would happen is if France is denying them houses of worship or the ability to rent large spaces for the larger prayer gatherings. This wouldn't happen in the USA because it isn't made necessary. Here Muslims rent function halls and don't have a hard time doing it. The Muslim demographic here is wealthier than in France and doesn't have to deal with as much institutional bigotry.How would you like this in Cleveland? Or LA? Or any city? I sure the hell wouldn't.
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I agree people should question their beliefs, but that includes everyone, not just religious people. They should also question their lack of tolerance, what they think they know about other religions and cultures, and how they treat each other.So she has to make a case for her beliefs. Good. People need to think for themselves and defend their beliefs. Not just "my parents did, and their parents did, so i do"
To say she HAS to make a case for her beliefs isn't true, though. The constitution protects everyones right to believe and doesn't say "but only if you make a case for your beliefs."
I do find it funny that the members of the most populous religion feel persecuted, though. They need to look in the mirror and consider the acts of persecution some who claim to be Christian have committed in the past few decades. These protests against Christmas trees pale in comparison to thousands killed or expelled in Bosnia.
And congrats on the new job Woody.
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That's a cool looking photo. Dude was dehydrated though
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Yeah we get it. Religious people tend to be stupid and easily riled up. Muslims just happen to be at the top of the list for religious folks who like to get wound up and act like dickheads.
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Don't ever see any Christians doing this. Only Muslims.
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Don't ever see any Christians doing this. Only Muslims.
Don't ever see any Christians doing this. Only Muslims.
I said that Muslims take the crown for being butthurt in the realm of religious people. Christians just tend to go on the internet and cry about being persecuted. Still butthurt. Just nothing is getting burned.
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ
I am really surprised you never heard of this.
WSS
Wow and it won an Award sponsored by the national endowment for the arts? That seems messed up.
I'm not Christian so I wouldn't really be tuned in to it, that's why I never heard of it. Plus in 1987 i was a wee lad.
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