Best/Worst Quarterback First round class

Flyin J

One thing I noticed? There hasnt been a complete bust year since 2010 and were about due lol.

The Gipper

Best 5 years:

1983, clearly with 3 HOFers in Elway/Kelly/Marino plus one other very productive QB in O'Brien

1948 the only other year in which 2 HOFers were taken in the first round: Tittle/Layne

2004 by the time they are done Manning/Rivers/Roethlisberger will have been some of the most productive QBs in history...not even counting their rings

1957 The duo of Len Dawson and John Brodie is one of the most productive in history

1971 Jim Plunkett, Dan Pastorini and Archie Manning is a very productive group

Honorable Mention: 1962 John Hadl and Roman Gabriel are perhaps the two QBs just on the outside looking in at the HOF

Worst 5 drafts: (note, for this, I am pretty much ignoring any year where either 0 or 1 QB was taken. I need at least 2 or more big time busts to come out of a draft):

1949 John Rauch and Stan Heath started a total of 3 career games between them and Bobby Thomason was way below average

1991 Dan McGwire and Todd Marinovich....not much more need be said. 13 career starts between them. Marinovich out of the league after only a year, McGwire after 3-4 years.

1959 Randy Duncan, Don Allard, and Lee Grosscup. Three first round picks, 6 total career starts.

2007 Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn. 11-34 in their career starts. Russell probably the biggest bust since the merger of 1970

1960 Geoge Izo and Richie Lucas, 10 career starts between them. (too bad because Izo is a Barberton guy)

Honorable mention: 2002 Carr, Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

The Gipper

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
One thing I noticed? There hasnt been a complete bust year since 2010 and were about due lol.

Actually, the thing I notice is that lately there have generally been more QBs taken in the first round. Of course, there are more teams now to affect those numbers, still, I think the enhanced importance of the QB position in the game will lead more teams to gamble on QBs in the first round......and parenthetically, I think you could end up with a bigger group of "busts" in the first round at the qB slot.

I think that has happened with the likes of Ponder, Gabbert, Weeden and others.

But then you may also get more hits. The following were second rounders who today may have been upgraded to first rounders:

Tobin Rote

Milt Plum

Neil Lomax #33

Brett Favre #33

Ken Stabler #52

Ron Jawoski #37

Boomer Esiason #38

Randall Cunningham #37

Jake Plummer #42

Of course, a fair share of second rounders who may have been upgraded were busts in their careers as well.

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The Gipper

Of course, the relevence of this thread is which list perhaps will the names likely on the 2014 list Join? The 1983/1948/2004 etc. list, or the 1949/2007/1959 etc. list......or be somewhere in between.

Where will the names Bortles/Bridgewater/Manziel/Carr fall? In one of those lists...or in between? And will one of those guys have The Cleveland Browns associated with them?

Browns149

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
One thing I noticed? There hasnt been a complete bust year since 2010 and were about due lol.

I don't think Bradford is a bust and Tebow did win a playoff game.

Now a complete bust year was 2007. Brady Quinn and Jamarcus Russell..................DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Gipper

@browns149 said:

I don't think Bradford is a bust and Tebow did win a playoff game.

Now a complete bust year was 2007. Brady Quinn and Jamarcus Russell..................DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, notice I asked you to state your 5 best and 5 worst years.

Zombo

How many of these guys, if you knew how their career would turn out, would draft in the first round again ... as high or higher than they went?

Mine are in bold:

1999 Tim Couch, Donvan McNabb, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper, Cade McNown

2000 Chud Pennington

2001 Michael Vick

2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

2003 Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman

2004 Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, JP Losman

2005 Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell

2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert

2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn

2008 Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco

2009 Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman

2010 Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow

2011 Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder

2012 Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden

2013 EJ Manual

10/41 ..24 %

Flyin J

This means we have a 1/4 chance of landing a franchise QB? Lets use both first rounders on QB's lol

The Gipper

Zombo said:

How many of these guys, if you knew how their career would turn out, would draft in the first round again ... as high or higher than they went?

Mine are in bold:

1999 Tim Couch, Donvan McNabb, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper, Cade McNown

2000 Chud Pennington

2001 Michael Vick

2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

2003 Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman

2004 Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, JP Losman

2005 Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell

2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert

2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn

2008 Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco

2009 Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman

2010 Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow

2011 Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder

2012 Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden

2013 EJ Manual

10/41 ..24 %

I think Carson Palmer initially earned at least first round status...if not #1 overall. Injuries got him....but he seem rejuvenated in Arizona this year. That team is 10-5.....and if it wins its home game vs. the 49ers it is in the playoffs, in large part due to Palmer.

So I would mark him up as well.

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

I think Carson Palmer initially earned at least first round status...if not #1 overall. Injuries got him....but he seem rejuvenated in Arizona this year. That team is 10-5.....and if it wins its home game vs. the 49ers it is in the playoffs, in large part due to Palmer.

So I would mark him up as well.

Don't think he has every won a playoff game and his QB rating is Cambellesque since his big injury, but if you throw him in, and add Tannehill, who I am sure some believe in, then you are 12/41 or 29% success rate.

Since we are 0-3 on this list, maybe we are due, so we can hit that 25% mark.

Zombo