Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I would shy away from any QB from the SEC or Big 12; there isn't much defense played down there unless its Alabama.
I also think he's too cocky, the kind of player a roid-rager like Harrison wants to destroy.
He's a winner in college, I think its less than 50-50 he makes it in the NFL.
Really? Peyton Manning, Eli Manning played in the SEC, Tom Brady and Drew Brees in the Big Ten.
Need I say more?
Or do you think we should just get our QBs from like Delaware because that is where Flacco went there? And the only other active SB winning QBs played in the Pac 12 and the MAC.
Really? Peyton Manning, Eli Manning played in the SEC, Tom Brady and Drew Brees in the Big Ten.
Need I say more?
Or do you think we should just get our QBs from like Delaware because that is where Flacco went there? And the only other active SB winning QBs played in the Pac 12 and the MAC.
Different eras when Peyton & Eli played in the SEC.
I'm just preaching caution. I don't have the answer on who we should draft as a QB, I just see the SEC's defenses not as strong as they used to be.
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Here is my take for what its worth on Manziel. I think he has the physical skills to succeed. He has pocket presence, he seems to want to pass first, and not run first, and he also appears cool in the pocket. My major concern is whether he will put the work in, is he mature enough to make the jump right now. If he makes the jump I think he needs to definitely start the year on the bench because he needs to be hardest working guy on the team and I am not sure he is there yet. And the SEC doesn't play great defense argument is bologna. Whether they play it at as good as they have in the past, its not relevant. They play as good as any conference in the country I bet. And Manziel has torched Alabama's vaunted defense two straight years. The dude can play, but will he do the work needed to excel at the next level.
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that dude MANZIEL will get killed trying to do his roll outs PLUS not being able to see over the OL/DLines.
yeah he's a great competitor but he doesn't have the arm as brees nor the talent of russell wilson..........2 of the shortest QBs in the league.
hope he's got a great insurance policy cuz he'll be selling cars in 2 years.
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that dude MANZIEL will get killed trying to do his roll outs PLUS not being able to see over the OL/DLines.
yeah he's a great competitor but he doesn't have the arm as brees nor the talent of russell wilson..........2 of the shortest QBs in the league.
hope he's got a great insurance policy cuz he'll be selling cars in 2 years.
that dude MANZIEL will get killed trying to do his roll outs PLUS not being able to see over the OL/DLines.
yeah he's a great competitor but he doesn't have the arm as brees nor the talent of russell wilson..........2 of the shortest QBs in the league.haha I said the exact same things about WILSON before he was drafted. Truth is, ya never know. I think he'll be great .
hope he's got a great insurance policy cuz he'll be selling cars in 2 years.
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Well, Bridgewater made a believer out of me yesterday evening at the Russel Athletic Bowl game.
He's freakin SMART, decisive, freakin LOVES the game, and is incredibly accurate.
He threw for way over 400 yards - and not all that often, he can take off and show his running skills.
Yet, they said Bortles beat him out as American player of the year or something like that.
I don't doubt that Houston will nabe Bridge with the #1 overall pick.
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Well, Bridgewater made a believer out of me yesterday evening at the Russel Athletic Bowl game.
He's freakin SMART, decisive, freakin LOVES the game, and is incredibly accurate.
He threw for way over 400 yards - and not all that often, he can take off and show his running skills.
Yet, they said Bortles beat him out as American player of the year or something like that.
I don't doubt that Houston will nabe Bridge with the #1 overall pick.
Well, Bridgewater made a believer out of me yesterday evening at the Russel Athletic Bowl game.
He's freakin SMART, decisive, freakin LOVES the game, and is incredibly accurate.
He threw for way over 400 yards - and not all that often, he can take off and show his running skills.
Yet, they said Bortles beat him out as American player of the year or something like that.
I don't doubt that Houston will nabe Bridge with the #1 overall pick.
He sure did look good
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Johnny has a top 3 arm in this draft. He has the highest completion percentage from the pocket in college football. Derek Carr weighs the same as Manziel and he's 3 inches taller, nobody is questioning his size. Manziel has done this against the best competition in college football. He worked on his throwing a lot and ran a lot less this year. He seems to have a knack for avoididng big hits and he gets down/out of bounds. My vote is for Johnny Football right now if you xant tell.I don't think he has the stature and arm to do well in bad winter weather, and
punishing defenses in the Browns' division.
Add that he is as competitive as can be...
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Johnny has a top 3 arm in this draft. He has the highest completion percentage from the pocket in college football. Derek Carr weighs the same as Manziel and he's 3 inches taller, nobody is questioning his size. Manziel has done this against the best competition in college football. He worked on his throwing a lot and ran a lot less this year. He seems to have a knack for avoididng big hits and he gets down/out of bounds.
Agree with all except hit avoidance. The number of big shots he took in 2013 were up from 2012. Main reason seemed to me to be that the team was not as good this year and so he tried to do more than he did in 2012.
His NFL team is likely not going to be good in 2014, so the set up for BFL big hits (which of course are bigger than he took in college) is there.
He may not have an elite arm but its plenty enough to get the ball downfield and much stronger than McCoys.
Yes... stronger and undamaged.
that dude MANZIEL will get killed trying to do his roll outs PLUS not being able to see over the OL/DLines.
yeah he's a great competitor but he doesn't have the arm as brees nor the talent of russell wilson..........2 of the shortest QBs in the league.
Few see "over" the line these days. All QB's need throwing lanes for short and even intermediate pass routes.
And Brees' arm isn't all that strong... I think Johnny's is easily in the same area.
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I noticed yesterday that a lot of people think Manziel could be the Browns first pick in the 2014 Draft (although the three mock drafts I just saw from CBS Sports and Sports Illustrated didn't have CLE taking a QB there) (Added: Ah, wait, there,... a guy from Bleacher Report has Manziel going to Cleveland.). I haven't followed Manziel that closely, although I've obviously heard the major headlines. I was hoping maybe people could post some facts and opinions about him (positive and negative) to catch me up in case he does end up being the pick. Is he "college good" or "NFL good"? What's with the attitude/behavior issues, and are those going to be a problem in the NFL? Is he the kind of QB who can come in and produce right away, or should we expect to give him the customary "he's a rookie, it's going to take awhile" pass? What do you guys think?
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The FO knows this draft, and this new HC hire, is pivotal for their own future careers. And by all accounts they have said, clearly, Clevelands fans deserve to win now. Not next year, now. I expect they approach the draft with that same mentality.
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Am I alone in thinking t,here is something off about Manziel? He seems to like attention too much. Maybe he will be OK, but he seems immature. He just seems like someone who will crash and burn.
No one wants to hear this but this is not a good year to draft a QB. The pool is not very deep at that position. Every draft year is different, and you have to go with what is available to some extent.
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Small QB's don't win the AFC North and Manziel is just Colt McCoy with a little bit more swagger.
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Small QB's don't win the AFC North and Manziel is just Colt McCoy with a little bit more swagger.
Small QB's don't win the AFC North and Manziel is just Colt McCoy with a little bit more swagger.
Otto Graham and Brian Sipe were 6'"2 dude...tell Steve Young and Drew Bree's theyre too small
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I noticed yesterday that a lot of people think Manziel could be the Browns first pick in the 2014 Draft (although the three mock drafts I just saw from CBS Sports and Sports Illustrated didn't have CLE taking a QB there) (Added: Ah, wait, there,... a guy from Bleacher Report has Manziel going to Cleveland.). I haven't followed Manziel that closely, although I've obviously heard the major headlines. I was hoping maybe people could post some facts and opinions about him (positive and negative) to catch me up in case he does end up being the pick. Is he "college good" or "NFL good"? What's with the attitude/behavior issues, and are those going to be a problem in the NFL? Is he the kind of QB who can come in and produce right away, or should we expect to give him the customary "he's a rookie, it's going to take awhile" pass? What do you guys think?
Is he "college good" or "NFL good"?
He's college "Great"...but so was Tebow...
That said he is not Tebow...more of a Farve type gunslinger,can get the ball down field but like Farve needs room to throw
and he's very good at creating that room...seems to have good accuracy on short throws and exceptional field vision.
Question is will he get killed running as much as he does? Probably...But he does seem to have a knack for narrowly escaping big hits.
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Small QB's don't win the AFC North and Manziel is just Colt McCoy with a little bit more swagger.
Otto Graham and Brian Sipe were 6'"2 dude...tell Steve Young and Drew Bree's theyre too small
Otto Graham and Brian Sipe were 6'"2 dude...tell Steve Young and Drew Bree's theyre too small
One plays in a dome and the other played for a balmy West Coast team for most of his career. Hardly a fitting comparison. The concerns of his size are more linked to the fact that he'll be playing outdoors, in the Midwest and Northeast, in the winter, in an outdoor stadium, against very good defenses.
He's listed at 6'1 and 210 lbs, but he'll undoubtedly measure in at the combine at 72 inches . His arm strength is just about average, which could improve if he adds a little bulk, but people worry he'll struggle with snowy, windy conditions.
I'm not as worried about him in the snow and wind, as he has very large hands for someone his size. Holding on to and controlling the ball won't be a problem for him in adverse conditions.
He's very, actually eerily, similar to Brees as a physical prospect. Manziel will measure in at the combine between 72 - 72.5 inches and will have a hand span between 10.25-10.5 inches. Brees measures at 72.5 inches and has a hand span of 10.25 inches. That's nearly a full inch larger than the average NFL QB's hand size.
I'm more worried about how his body reacts to playing in the cold for 8-10 games. He's got a small frame, so I'll cringe every time he takes a flush hit. It takes a hell of a lot more to get up after being hit in sub 40 degree temperatures than it does in warmer weather.
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Yeah, I'll give him a chance if we draft him, too.
I'm not a guy who thinks that QBs are the answer to every problem on a football team, and I think that the Browns could absolutely use help everywhere. That being said, the Browns offense does need to have SOME way to score. I like Cameron and I like Gordon, but they play in positions that are dependent on another position (QB). So, while I don't think the Browns necessarily HAVE to take a QB in the first round, and I would rather seem them take a solid player at another position than another "Weeden" (whoever that may be in this year's draft), I think it is best if they find a serviceable QB SOMEWHERE this year (even Hoyer, if they feel like giving him a try [even though I don't think he's the ultimate answer]).
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Small QB's don't win the AFC North and Manziel is just Colt McCoy with a little bit more swagger.
Otto Graham and Brian Sipe were 6'"2 dude...tell Steve Young and Drew Bree's theyre too small
Otto Graham and Brian Sipe were 6'"2 dude...tell Steve Young and Drew Bree's theyre too small
No one is saying there has never been a successful short QB. But the odds are firmly against you. The overwhelming majority of successful NFL QBs are tall. Looking at the current playoff picture 11 out of 12 QBs are 6'2" or taller and 9 out of the 12 are 6'4" or taller.
So I guess you could say that even if Manziel was not only an NFL caliber but an NFL playoff caliber QB (which no one would say) he would only have a 1 in 12 chance of being in the playoffs this year based on height.
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I actually agree that short QBs are often at a disadvantage and that IN GENERAL height is a favorable quality for a QB. The way you used the "snapshot" stats there is a little misleading, though. Doing it that way, you could say that 100% of the Superbowl XLIV MVP QBs were less than 6'1", while 100% of the losing QBs were over 6'1", so shorter QBs are better at winning Superbowls.
Again, I'm not saying that you're wrong about tall QBs having an advantage; I agree with you. I just think that maybe "QBs whose teams have made the playoffs in 2013" might be a bit too small of a sampling size to cite. Something like "correlation of NFL QB height to wins/production of the past two decades" would be a little more telling.
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I am going to watch the game tonight. have not seen this johnny football you speak of play yet.
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