Josh McDaniels
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Browns wanted McDaniels last year after the less realistic star fucking. Banner and Lombardi love him and he made a ton of sense. There are some nice stats on guys getting their second chance as a head coach with a little space in between. So much to learn and then some time to process it... and who better to process with than Belicheck, the prime example of a Second Chancer?
Assuming it's McDaniels, expect the Browns to be forward thinking at the quarterback position. Nobody's run the spread more than McDaniels (in New England) and nobody's found a way to win with Tebow except McDaniels, an early adaptor to the RO.
Man, if that doesn't scream Johnny Manziel, I don't know what does. Could be Mariota, who just might reverse field and come out. Or maybe Brett Hundley gets a year to watch because his ceiling is the highest in the draft. Point being, we won't mind all that much if Jacksonville takes Blake Bortles as many are now suggesting.
But with the talent this team will have accumulated by July (6 Pro Bowlers, 40-some mill in cap, 10 draft picks), I think I could win 8 or 9 games next year.
PS: I agree with Couch to an extent. One thing McDaniels has learned from his travels away from and back to Tom Brady is you ain't winning jack squat without the quarterback. He didn't think the Browns had one and didn't see one in the draft.
Now he does.
Browns wanted McDaniels last year after the less realistic star fucking. Banner and Lombardi love him and he made a ton of sense. There are some nice stats on guys getting their second chance as a head coach with a little space in between. So much to learn and then some time to process it... and who better to process with than Belicheck, the prime example of a Second Chancer?
Assuming it's McDaniels, expect the Browns to be forward thinking at the quarterback position. Nobody's run the spread more than McDaniels (in New England) and nobody's found a way to win with Tebow except McDaniels, an early adaptor to the RO.
Man, if that doesn't scream Johnny Manziel, I don't know what does. Could be Mariota, who just might reverse field and come out. Or maybe Brett Hundley gets a year to watch because his ceiling is the highest in the draft. Point being, we won't mind all that much if Jacksonville takes Blake Bortles as many are now suggesting.
But with the talent this team will have accumulated by July (6 Pro Bowlers, 40-some mill in cap, 10 draft picks), I think I could win 8 or 9 games next year.
PS: I agree with Couch to an extent. One thing McDaniels has learned from his travels away from and back to Tom Brady is you ain't winning jack squat without the quarterback. He didn't think the Browns had one and didn't see one in the draft.
Now he does.
Now he'll have two. One being the guy Lombardi loves and the other being the guy that fits McDaniels spread system perfectly and is the unorthodox QB that he likes.
And the third QB will be the one that erases the curse God put on Cleveland
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McDaniels reminded me a lot of Butch Davis when he was in Denver, he should've learned from Butch's mistakes. I don't foresee the FO allowing him to have a my way or the highway attitude here. This is Joe Banner's team without a shadow of doubt, and Let's just hope he can find good "value" in a QB this offseason.
With our FO and we end up with MickeyDees and Johnny football the level of douche baggery on this team will be at an all time high . . . Probably a high enough level to convert some steeler fans.
At this point they could put Chud's grandma on the sideline and put a trained monkey behind center and I would be happy as long as they were winners.
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so putting a monkey behind center is different from last year how?
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Monkeys are elusive = less sacks
Monkeys are great problem solvers = defenses read, in turn less ints
Monkeys are very tough and durable = less injury
Monkeys are capable of learning and adapting = less seeing the same shit week in and week out
Also, as far as I know there are no monkeys, named Brandon Weeden or Jason Campbell
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As I just said in the Manziel thread, why not? We keep trying these first time coaches with clean pasts so let's bring in McDaniels. The hire looks stupid on paper with his history, but again this is something the Browns haven't tried yet. The guy obviously has knowledge of the offense in the NFL and would make a system to fit Manziel if we drafted him. This might be the shit to get the Browns going, at least it will be fresh and new.
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His last year in Denver he drafted Demaryius Thomas, Zane Beadles and Eric Decker. Can't go wrong with that draft
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didn't Lombardi draft a couple of decent guys also? Mangini? Heckert? Al Davis? I think everyone gets lucky as some point.
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This reminds me a bit of when the Browns had to 'settle' for taking Chris Palmer. They had wanted Billick perhaps, and were really sold on Butch Davis.....but Davis was tied up and couldn't get loose....but 2 years later when he was available Carmen Policy cut Palmer loose and went heavy after Davis.
Perhaps the same thing here......LomBanner really really wanted McD....but he did not make himself available....but now that he apparently may be available, they are going to cream their jeans over him and unceremoniously dump the guy they didn't want in the first place.
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creamy pants and dumps. Is it something they ate?
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not everybody drafts 2 pro bowlers in one year, and Decker has the stats to make 3
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not everybody drafts 2 pro bowlers in one year, and Decker has the stats to make 3
not everybody drafts 2 pro bowlers in one year, and Decker has the stats to make 3
This year the Browns will draft 5.
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not everybody drafts 2 pro bowlers in one year, and Decker has the stats to make 3
This year the Browns will draft 5.
This year the Browns will draft 5.
and then trade them for Ray Ventrone and Jason Trusnik?
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Idk cant get excited at all with this guy. But maybe the third patriots patriots coach will work....
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So the plan could be McDaniels comes here...grabs his guy Manziel, and has Hoyer who also knows the NE offense...
Also, a few mentioned McDaniels should bring Mallett with him. Not likely but interesting to say the least. But it also doesn't make sense if Manziel is more what he'll be after in a QB.
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I could see McDaniels being the HC hire.
He hires Mike Sullivan (formerly with TB) as the OC (they run the same O)
He retains Ray Horton and many of the D coaches (some continuity there, plus I like Ray and the players like him)
McDaniels and Sullivan run the "Erhardt-Perkins" offense, which is the same offense Bellichick runs...
Horton runs a 3-4 style of defense similar to the "Fairbanks-Bullough" scheme Bellichick has always ran...
I think it would be a good fit, and would make Lombardi happy that we are employing his buddy Bellichick's systems in Cleveland...
We have the pieces to make it work, including Hoyer who knows the offense and could tutor our newely drafted QB, but we may just be missing 2 smart, solid route-running WRs... Maybe McDaniels could convince Edelman to come to Cleveland as a FA to help get this offense moving... and maybe Sullivan could convince Tiquan Underwood to come over in FA. Both of those guys know the system and could both play well in the slot... Add in Gordon, Benjamin, and a high-ranked draft pick and that's 5 WRs all capable of making explosive plays in this style of offense...
It just makes too much sense for it to happen...
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get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
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One problem I see with McDaniels is that he's had Brady to work with. It makes it hard to evaluate how much of the success is attributable to Brady vs the coaching staff. I mean the coaches can basically say "Tom, go win the game" and he does. I haven't seen a lot of innovation and outsmarting by the New England staff at all this year. Without Brady (and some help from the refs), my sense is the Patriots are below .500 this year.
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get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
I think you're right about this one.
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get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
The part I put in bold...Is this fact? If there is a positive reliable source that this comes from, then yes I can see he stays. But then why even bother giving permission to interview?
Maybe McDaniels has big enough balls to want to do it on his own, rather than be in the company of legacy-inherited coaches like Tomlin. Maybe he sees that when Brady is gone that it won't be that favorable. Who knows, we're all speculating.
And just to clear the air, I'm not saying I'm rooting for McDaniels to land the job, but at this time I think he's most likely.
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get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
The part I put in bold...Is this fact? If there is a positive reliable source that this comes from, then yes I can see he stays. But then why even bother giving permission to interview?
Maybe McDaniels has big enough balls to want to do it on his own, rather than be in the company of legacy-inherited coaches like Tomlin. Maybe he sees that when Brady is gone that it won't be that favorable. Who knows, we're all speculating.
And just to clear the air, I'm not saying I'm rooting for McDaniels to land the job, but at this time I think he's most likely.
The part I put in bold...Is this fact? If there is a positive reliable source that this comes from, then yes I can see he stays. But then why even bother giving permission to interview?
Maybe McDaniels has big enough balls to want to do it on his own, rather than be in the company of legacy-inherited coaches like Tomlin. Maybe he sees that when Brady is gone that it won't be that favorable. Who knows, we're all speculating.
And just to clear the air, I'm not saying I'm rooting for McDaniels to land the job, but at this time I think he's most likely.
They just interviewed some guy on 92 a few days ago who is either with ESPN or some major sports outlet that said it's out in the open that the Patriots have told McDaniels he's Belichicks replacement when the old man decides it's time. They're apparently actively grooming him as such. Of course they're going to do that because a franchise like NE looks ahead a few years, I would probably take their word for it if I was him but who knows....it certainly doesn't keep him from exploring other options does it? NE is not contractually obligated to make him the coach despite what they say, nor can they legally keep him from interviewing other positions just because they told him he's next. I dunno...if the rumors about him loving Manziel are true and he wants to be with the team that lands him...than who knows. I'm not sure we land Manziel anyway so what happens then? I think we would have been more than fine to let Chud coach through with this draft coming up. If we have to revamp the defense it's another 5-11 year if we're lucky.
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