Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Obviously, I am a HUGE Manziel Fan (fwiw, I liked Trent too lol). Forget the SIZE thing & take a chance. He is a complete QB....Perfect? No, but also makes plays, remains calm, no "happy feet", tough, a leader always involved in the game. Did any of you see him grab Evans facemask & give him hell? Did you see him telling the D to "TAKE IT" & getting the Fans fired up? This kid has the FIRE & PASSION that is contagious & I say take the chance.
Mike
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I like his quick release and accuracy. But he isn't big and he gets jittery in the pocket too much.
Also like his leadership.
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Need to calm down on Johnny....he lit up Duke. LOL...their defense might be worse than Ohio State's. He won't be able to make those plays/throws in the NFL. We need a real QB, and coach, and Genreal Manager, and O-linemen....etc....etc....
Need to calm down on Johnny....he lit up Duke. LOL...their defense might be worse than Ohio State's. He won't be able to make those plays/throws in the NFL. We need a real QB, and coach, and Genreal Manager, and O-linemen....etc....etc....
I believe he also lit up the Alabama defense as well this year and pretty much every other team he played. At some point it's not that the defense sucks as it is that the guy can make plays.
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A lot of you aren't going to like this and will accuse me of being "anti-Manziel". I'm not at all, but I think this should be said. I've heard at least a few people say something to the effect of "whether or not Manziel turns out to be 'NFL good', at least it will be exciting to watch him." I think that we often only consider things "exciting" when they work, and when they don't we consider them foolish, reckless, or ill-advised.
I never liked Tebow (because I don't like a QB who can't throw), but a lot of people did. When he was starting in Denver, people praised him, and they loved watching Broncos games because he was "exciting". If you take a look at the stats, Tebow wasn't good there, and the offense wasn't very productive. But people praised him anyway and even gave him credit for the fantastic play by their defense. The whole thing seemed "exciting" because it was working (i.e.Denver was winning). After Tebow left Denver, though, no one else was able to make it work. Tebow didn't suddenly drink some "get super-terrible" juice and become a much worse player than he had previously been. It was just that no one was able to find a way to make what he was able to do work anymore, and what was once "exciting" now looked awful.
I can't make this clear enough: I am NOT comparing Tebow as a player to Manziel as a player. What I am saying is that the unorthodox can look "exciting" when it works, but the same exact thing can look foolish when it doesn't.
Let's take Vick as another example. At different points in his career, Vick's style of play has been praised and has been criticized. When he's been able to win or put up flashy numbers, it has been "exciting". When it hasn't panned out, he's suddenly not been "an NFL caliber starting QB."
Take Favre, who everyone likes to remember as fantastic now. Let's not forget the number of interceptions that Favre threw and the criticism he took for it at different points before he ultimately found sustained success and praise. He always played pretty much the same way. When it worked, he was "exciting", when it didn't, he was "reckless" and "made poor decisions".
I'm not comparing Manziel to any of these guys individually. I'm saying that we ought to consider that while we may be happy to say "Well, good or bad, it will be exciting" right now, when it actually IS bad, people rarely continue seeing it as "exciting" and often begin seeing it as "ill-advised" and "reckless."
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I still don't think Manziel is a top 10 ten pick. On long NFL throws, he throws them like
Colt McCoy.
But after that game...(I thought I was good at halftime picking Duke for an upset for 7 pts...lol)..
he needs to be in the NFL to see just what he can do. He is a classic West Coast offense kid,
with all the intangibles to the max. I have to admit, after that bowl game, I have to start
to agree with Canton Mike about him, but it's more fun to argue about Manziel....@@
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I can say I changed my mind on Johnny last night. The guy was accurate, I guess I never saw enough of him before (maybe 3 other games, plus highlights). Saying that, I still believe we should stand pat and not trade up to get him...we need all of our picks IMHO.
I still worry about his size, but as others have pointed out, maybe its not a big deal if he's able to get it done.
I do worry he may be a bit "amped up," but hey, he's 21 or so, so I give him a pass there.
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Johnny has a lot of things going for him, and as long as he stays healthy I think he will find success in the league. My main concern, however, is that he won't be able to stay healthy. He's a tough kid but the NFL is a lot faster and hits a lot harder.
Johnny football at TAMU - "holy shit look at him go!"
Johnny football in the NFL - "Jesus Christ is he still breathing?!"
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Scouts take on Manziel: He's another Favre
NFL scout says that Texas A&M QB will play hard, but do it his way Jason Cole
After completing his season with Texas A&M, quarterback Johnny Manziel dodged questions about whether he would turn pro early. It has been long assumed that Manziel would declare for the NFL draft.
However, the question of how good Manziel will be in the NFL lingers. One scout recently compared Manziel to retired quarterback Brett Favre, who was a second-round pick and went on to have an extraordinary career.
“He’s Favre,” the scout said. “On Sunday, he’s going to play his (butt) off. The rest of the week, he’s going to do what he wants to do.”
The scout said that was a combination of both great and sometimes bad habits. While Favre was a great player and worked hard at his craft, he also enjoyed having a good time.
“If you tell him not to go drink, he’s not going to listen. He’s going to go drink,” the scout said of Manziel. “If you can tell him not to chase (women). He’s going to chase (women). That’s just who he is and he’s going to do what he wants. I think he’s going to be great, but you’re going to have to deal with him on his terms.”
The same scout predicted before the 2012 draft that Russell Wilson would eventually become an outstanding quarterback.
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If he's there in the second or third then why not. He's a gamble, as every player is.
He is a playmaker but he's small. I worry about his size. He does have fire.
BUTTTTTTTT....
He's apparently got issues that his old man even called him out for. Sounds like he has drinking problem.
His dad's quotes (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/30/johnny-manziels-dad-worries-it-could-all-come-unraveled/)
“Yeah, it could come unraveled. And when it does, it’s gonna be bad. Real bad,” Paul Manziel said. “It’s one night away from the phone ringing, and he’s in jail. And you know what he’s gonna say? ‘It’s better than all the pressure I’ve been under. This is better than that.’”
Manziel’s dad also said that his son drinks to deal with stress, and has anger issues that cause concern for the family.
“I don’t know where the anger comes from,” Paul said. “I don’t think he knows. If it comes from his drinking, or if he’s mad at himself for not being a better person when he fails, when he fails God and his mom and me. If it makes him angry that he’s got demons in him. You can only speculate because you can’t go in there.”
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Nice. so he is a fish.
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Scouts take on Manziel: He's another Favre
NFL scout says that Texas A&M QB will play hard, but do it his way Jason Cole
After completing his season with Texas A&M, quarterback Johnny Manziel dodged questions about whether he would turn pro early. It has been long assumed that Manziel would declare for the NFL draft.
However, the question of how good Manziel will be in the NFL lingers. One scout recently compared Manziel to retired quarterback Brett Favre, who was a second-round pick and went on to have an extraordinary career.
“He’s Favre,” the scout said. “On Sunday, he’s going to play his (butt) off. The rest of the week, he’s going to do what he wants to do.”
The scout said that was a combination of both great and sometimes bad habits. While Favre was a great player and worked hard at his craft, he also enjoyed having a good time.
“If you tell him not to go drink, he’s not going to listen. He’s going to go drink,” the scout said of Manziel. “If you can tell him not to chase (women). He’s going to chase (women). That’s just who he is and he’s going to do what he wants. I think he’s going to be great, but you’re going to have to deal with him on his terms.”
The same scout predicted before the 2012 draft that Russell Wilson would eventually become an outstanding quarterback.
Scouts take on Manziel: He's another Favre
NFL scout says that Texas A&M QB will play hard, but do it his way Jason Cole
After completing his season with Texas A&M, quarterback Johnny Manziel dodged questions about whether he would turn pro early. It has been long assumed that Manziel would declare for the NFL draft.
However, the question of how good Manziel will be in the NFL lingers. One scout recently compared Manziel to retired quarterback Brett Favre, who was a second-round pick and went on to have an extraordinary career.
“He’s Favre,” the scout said. “On Sunday, he’s going to play his (butt) off. The rest of the week, he’s going to do what he wants to do.”
The scout said that was a combination of both great and sometimes bad habits. While Favre was a great player and worked hard at his craft, he also enjoyed having a good time.
“If you tell him not to go drink, he’s not going to listen. He’s going to go drink,” the scout said of Manziel. “If you can tell him not to chase (women). He’s going to chase (women). That’s just who he is and he’s going to do what he wants. I think he’s going to be great, but you’re going to have to deal with him on his terms.”
The same scout predicted before the 2012 draft that Russell Wilson would eventually become an outstanding quarterback.
Shit, as long as he wins games, I don't care.
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so Manziel in the Tavern with us when he goes to the sideline? drink....type..... drink .....take a snap
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Keep in mind that in Favre's first three years in the league, he threw more picks than TDs. Also, the average of his passer ratings from years 2 and 3 (he didn't really get a passer rating his rookie year because he only had 4 pass attempts) was 78.75. That's slightly better than Christian Ponder and a larger margin worse than Jake Locker to this point. Favre took a significant upturn in his 4th year.
There's no certainty that Manziel will struggle early like Favre did, and I'm not suggesting that there is. I just know that when Favre is mentioned, people tend to remember the great parts and conveniently forget the rough parts. If Manziel does end up following a Favre-like trajectory, that's going to mean accepting 3 rather rough years in the beginning before he pans out. Unless the comparison is "He's a lot like Favre when Favre was really good", then that's a pretty promising thing to say.
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He can align himself with supporters who can coach him on better ways of dealing with anger/fear. He is still a kid and finding himself. It wasn't easy when I was growing up and I am sure he is having more than his share of issues to deal with. Hopefully, he can latch onto a mentor who truly cares about him and is able teach him that short term solutions often lead into long term disabilities that are hard to overcome. It would be a sin to have a kid with the God giving talent he has make significant bad decisions that hold him back from becoming the best God intended for him.
I expect great things from John Football and wouldn't mind one second if the Browns threw their support behind him .
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Manziel can play ball and I don't see him running too much from the games I have seen. In fact I believe he hangs in the pocket quite well, is calm in the pocket and doesn't panic and runs when needed. I am not concerned about his size or how tall he is, we are talking about 1 inch folks. The main thing to me is the maturity and putting in the work he needs to do. This same guy torched Alabama two years in a row. He can ball.
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I hope if we pick him.
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Right? That would be nice. No one will be happier than me if we pick him and he is the greatest rookie and long-term QB of all times.
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was that sarcasm?
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