Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Nice. so he is a fish.
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Scouts take on Manziel: He's another Favre
NFL scout says that Texas A&M QB will play hard, but do it his way Jason Cole
After completing his season with Texas A&M, quarterback Johnny Manziel dodged questions about whether he would turn pro early. It has been long assumed that Manziel would declare for the NFL draft.
However, the question of how good Manziel will be in the NFL lingers. One scout recently compared Manziel to retired quarterback Brett Favre, who was a second-round pick and went on to have an extraordinary career.
“He’s Favre,” the scout said. “On Sunday, he’s going to play his (butt) off. The rest of the week, he’s going to do what he wants to do.”
The scout said that was a combination of both great and sometimes bad habits. While Favre was a great player and worked hard at his craft, he also enjoyed having a good time.
“If you tell him not to go drink, he’s not going to listen. He’s going to go drink,” the scout said of Manziel. “If you can tell him not to chase (women). He’s going to chase (women). That’s just who he is and he’s going to do what he wants. I think he’s going to be great, but you’re going to have to deal with him on his terms.”
The same scout predicted before the 2012 draft that Russell Wilson would eventually become an outstanding quarterback.
Scouts take on Manziel: He's another Favre
NFL scout says that Texas A&M QB will play hard, but do it his way Jason Cole
After completing his season with Texas A&M, quarterback Johnny Manziel dodged questions about whether he would turn pro early. It has been long assumed that Manziel would declare for the NFL draft.
However, the question of how good Manziel will be in the NFL lingers. One scout recently compared Manziel to retired quarterback Brett Favre, who was a second-round pick and went on to have an extraordinary career.
“He’s Favre,” the scout said. “On Sunday, he’s going to play his (butt) off. The rest of the week, he’s going to do what he wants to do.”
The scout said that was a combination of both great and sometimes bad habits. While Favre was a great player and worked hard at his craft, he also enjoyed having a good time.
“If you tell him not to go drink, he’s not going to listen. He’s going to go drink,” the scout said of Manziel. “If you can tell him not to chase (women). He’s going to chase (women). That’s just who he is and he’s going to do what he wants. I think he’s going to be great, but you’re going to have to deal with him on his terms.”
The same scout predicted before the 2012 draft that Russell Wilson would eventually become an outstanding quarterback.
Shit, as long as he wins games, I don't care.
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so Manziel in the Tavern with us when he goes to the sideline? drink....type..... drink .....take a snap
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Keep in mind that in Favre's first three years in the league, he threw more picks than TDs. Also, the average of his passer ratings from years 2 and 3 (he didn't really get a passer rating his rookie year because he only had 4 pass attempts) was 78.75. That's slightly better than Christian Ponder and a larger margin worse than Jake Locker to this point. Favre took a significant upturn in his 4th year.
There's no certainty that Manziel will struggle early like Favre did, and I'm not suggesting that there is. I just know that when Favre is mentioned, people tend to remember the great parts and conveniently forget the rough parts. If Manziel does end up following a Favre-like trajectory, that's going to mean accepting 3 rather rough years in the beginning before he pans out. Unless the comparison is "He's a lot like Favre when Favre was really good", then that's a pretty promising thing to say.
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He can align himself with supporters who can coach him on better ways of dealing with anger/fear. He is still a kid and finding himself. It wasn't easy when I was growing up and I am sure he is having more than his share of issues to deal with. Hopefully, he can latch onto a mentor who truly cares about him and is able teach him that short term solutions often lead into long term disabilities that are hard to overcome. It would be a sin to have a kid with the God giving talent he has make significant bad decisions that hold him back from becoming the best God intended for him.
I expect great things from John Football and wouldn't mind one second if the Browns threw their support behind him .
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Manziel can play ball and I don't see him running too much from the games I have seen. In fact I believe he hangs in the pocket quite well, is calm in the pocket and doesn't panic and runs when needed. I am not concerned about his size or how tall he is, we are talking about 1 inch folks. The main thing to me is the maturity and putting in the work he needs to do. This same guy torched Alabama two years in a row. He can ball.
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I hope if we pick him.
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Right? That would be nice. No one will be happier than me if we pick him and he is the greatest rookie and long-term QB of all times.
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was that sarcasm?
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I won't be crying the blues if they pick up Football John,
Bring it motha fuckas
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so Manziel in the Tavern with us when he goes to the sideline? drink....type..... drink .....take a snap
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Kid has got something we haven't seen in a while. Winslow had it but was a douche and look at him now. Just scared of getting him and the kid does something really stupid off the field.
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If they pick him we need to give him a very fair shot...hes younger than weeden.but I think right now hes better than weeden or campbell. healthier than Hoyer.
I think he has the most potential of any QB coming out this year.If seen bridgewater look pretty bad at times.Ive never seen johnney look bad...
Hes got an NFL arm...surround him ith good O line and a running back...and another good WR and this will be a team that can score.It may take a couple or three or four years to get the pieces in place...but Im convinced with good surrounding cast he can be a franchise QB
We just can throw him overboard if he gets off to a rocky start.Cam Newtons had three years.Eli got a few.RG3 is getting years.They gotta give him time
I promise hed do good as geno smith!
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cant throw overboard not can!lol
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And his touch on the short and midrange passes is great.How many times did you see Campbell throw it so hard it bounced of the TE or WR pads or weeden throw it 5 yards short on a simple out or bubble screen. Weeden or Campbells touchon shorts passes isn't in the same universe as Mr feetballs
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LBC Mike, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. For one thing, I've got nothing against Manziel, and I'll be kind of excited to see what he can do in NFL, regardless of where he goes. For another thing, I never wish anything but good for Browns picks, even when I don't agree with them being picked (Weeden). I have a few minor concerns about how Manziel's size and style of play will end up translating to the NFL game, but I'll be really happy if we take him and he's great. I'm not against Manziel at all. I just like to try to keep a realistic perspective when it comes to talking about how college players (especially scrambling QBs and power RBs) will do in the NFL. It's not about Manziel specifically. I'd be trying to temper any conversation about how great any college QB might be next year in Cleveland.
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i like manziel as an innovator when plays break down but he sure as hell didn't look good playing duke (duke, football really?) in the 1st half of their bowl game.
my concern for him like many have said before me is when a guy like orakapo get's a hold of him and drives him 2 feet into the ground and the dude will never be the same.
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That is THE concern.Hes gonna have to be taught to get down and run outa bounds. He will not be able to rely on the run like he does at times at A &M. He needs to be taught to run on plays with no one open and its falling apart...get down or out and live to play another play.
this needs to be drilled in his head
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