If Bridgewater and Bortles are gone what do you do?
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Well considering the front office has been linked to Manziel, I assume that's the direction they would go. Even if Bortles AND Bridgewater are on the board.
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Same on the gamepass. Just thinking it might be nice to watch the game with other browns fans some time.
So take a first round WR, then a first round WR? Are you secretly Matt Millen?
No I would clean out the WR on ths team.Replace with guys that can catch and make plays.(Little,Bess they GONE)
No I would clean out the WR on ths team.Replace with guys that can catch and make plays.(Little,Bess they GONE)
I agree they should be gone - got a feeling they won't be, but they should be. But that doesn't mean we need to have two new first rounders to replace them. One, sure, and maybe a later pick in the third/fourth, but we have other areas of concern that need addressing too.
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Clowney seemed to lay down this past year,Albert Haynesworth comes to mind.
well most people were telling him not to play at all because of injury concern and he'd lose millions (RB lattimore from his same school blew his knees out in 2012 and prob never play again.....and he was a heisman trophy hopeful and would have been the first RB picked).
you can't use this past year's performance as his measuring stick. the dude lights it up when it comes time to play.
well most people were telling him not to play at all because of injury concern and he'd lose millions (RB lattimore from his same school blew his knees out in 2012 and prob never play again.....and he was a heisman trophy hopeful and would have been the first RB picked).
you can't use this past year's performance as his measuring stick. the dude lights it up when it comes time to play.
Hard to say how he was influnced.Just like the idea of adding 2 playmakers especially with Gordon being 1 strike away.
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No I would clean out the WR on ths team.Replace with guys that can catch and make plays.(Little,Bess they GONE)
I agree they should be gone - got a feeling they won't be, but they should be. But that doesn't mean we need to have two new first rounders to replace them. One, sure, and maybe a later pick in the third/fourth, but we have other areas of concern that need addressing too.
I agree they should be gone - got a feeling they won't be, but they should be. But that doesn't mean we need to have two new first rounders to replace them. One, sure, and maybe a later pick in the third/fourth, but we have other areas of concern that need addressing too.
Take the 2 top playmakers in the 1st.You still have 8 picks left.
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Ill say I do not like AJ McCarron....I do not at all think hes got the NFL arm...I think he benefitted from being on Alabamas team..and yes take the two top playmakers....
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Westside Steve made a good point in another thread, where if Browns do well this year we won't be in the top 5-10 for next year's draft. If we don't draft a QB this year, what do you do next year?
If they do well with Hoyer, having armed him with some more offensive playmakers, do they draft a 2015 QB or not? Obviously if there are QB woes next year, causing another 4-12 or 5-11 season, then drafting a 2015 QB is mandatory. But if Browns do well yet still see a need for a future franchise QB beyond Hoyer, and say, will draft in the mid-upper teens minimum next year, does it make sense to trade up next year to get QB of their choice? I suppose that depends on how well the team does across the board, and how much other positions need upgrades. If they are all set except for QB, trading up seems like a no-brainer. But how likely is that to happen.
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It's hard to tell. Qb's rise and fall unpredictably before the draft. Last year Geno Smith started off as the unquestionably first overall pick.
I also don't follow the logic that next year will be QB "Heavy". This is said every single year except for last. The only time it was true was 2012. But every year the next is claimed as QB heavy and we get up to it and find out that QB's didn't have as good of seasons and the Juniors are not leaving for the draft.
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My intuition tells me that the guy the Browns FO likes is Bortles. They think that with Josh McDaniels they can make him into a Brady type player.....or if not that, he is a big strong mobile guy ala BR/Flacco
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I hope they are gone so we don't screw up and draft them. Really though I wouldn't be upset with Bridge at 4. But in this scenario take either Clowney or Watkins and then either a WR or G next depending on what you do at 4.
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I just ran through fanspeak.com's mock draft sim and drafted Watkins at 4 just to see what could possibly be. ( I know it probably holds no water as everything will change come draft day) but here's what I got
1a - Watkins (WR Clem)
1b - Manziel (QB TAMU)
2 - Tre Mason (RB Aub)
3a - Gabe Jackson (G Miss)
3b - Abbrederis (WR Wisc)
4a - Morgan Moses (OT Va)
4b - Jaylen Watkins (CB Fla)
5 - De'Anthony Thomas (RB Oregon)
6 - Chris Davis (DB Aub)
7 - JC Copeland (FB LSU)
Kinda wish I could have gotten an ILB instead of 2 CBs somewhere but if we drafted that I could not complain at all. A ton of offensive weapons each with their own skill set.
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I just ran through fanspeak.com's mock draft sim and drafted Watkins at 4 just to see what could possibly be. ( I know it probably holds no water as everything will change come draft day) but here's what I got
1a - Watkins (WR Clem)
1b - Manziel (QB TAMU)
2 - Tre Mason (RB Aub)
3a - Gabe Jackson (G Miss)
3b - Abbrederis (WR Wisc)
4a - Morgan Moses (OT Va)
4b - Jaylen Watkins (CB Fla)
5 - De'Anthony Thomas (RB Oregon)
6 - Chris Davis (DB Aub)
7 - JC Copeland (FB LSU)
Kinda wish I could have gotten an ILB instead of 2 CBs somewhere but if we drafted that I could not complain at all. A ton of offensive weapons each with their own skill set.
I just ran through fanspeak.com's mock draft sim and drafted Watkins at 4 just to see what could possibly be. ( I know it probably holds no water as everything will change come draft day) but here's what I got
1a - Watkins (WR Clem)
1b - Manziel (QB TAMU)
2 - Tre Mason (RB Aub)
3a - Gabe Jackson (G Miss)
3b - Abbrederis (WR Wisc)
4a - Morgan Moses (OT Va)
4b - Jaylen Watkins (CB Fla)
5 - De'Anthony Thomas (RB Oregon)
6 - Chris Davis (DB Aub)
7 - JC Copeland (FB LSU)
Kinda wish I could have gotten an ILB instead of 2 CBs somewhere but if we drafted that I could not complain at all. A ton of offensive weapons each with their own skill set.
I doubt Manziel lasts that long. Plus, I agree, an ILB is needed, even if DQJ stays. Once I've done a bit more research on the lower rounds I'll put mine up...
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manziel will be gone way before our second pick.
carr might be there.
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manziel will be gone way before our second pick.
carr might be there.
not been much buzz on Carr lately - he seems to have slipped off the radar when Bortles slipped on.
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A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
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Take Sammy Watkins, then the best available at ILB, CB, OG with our next two picks, then AJ McCarron in the 3rd round. Hoyer starts. McCarron redshirts for at least a year. The rest of the draft - a blocking TE, a real FB, O-line depth.
At RB, I'm going after Tate and Gerhart, get one of them, with Ogby, Lewis and Edwin. If there's a RB pick in rounds 6-7 that makes lots of sense, ie Andre Williams, Raijon Neal falls that far, take him, and trade/dump Ogby or Edwin.
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not been much buzz on Carr lately - he seems to have slipped off the radar when Bortles slipped on.
That was due to his horrible bowl game performance, and I'm glad. He'd be Weeden 2.0. No thanks!
A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
It seems that both the #1 and #2 pick overall are both available to be traded, and the #2 pick is going to be a little less expensive. I'd like to see them trade with the Rams and pick up one of the three (Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel) that they like best.
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No clowney? if avail?
Nah... Watkins...
If we stay 3-4 I do not see Clowney as a stand up. Plus there's the whole motivation thang... Clowney has elite talent to be sure (as does Watkins), but I'm just not sure he'll apply himself.
there are other VERY good WRs besides watkins in this upcoming draft. i like the kid, i agree that he is a playmaker, but can we get someone with a little more height? half of the TD passes thrown in the end zone nowadays are to guys that are hovering over their CB matchups.
Very good ones? Yes, but only one elite that I see...
TD passes come in many forms.... back shoulder... low... I'll take agility over height for height's sake...
A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
We shall see, but I'm betting Banner does not think that Hoyer = "gaping hole"...
But if he is unsure, my fallback is on his good sense that he will not elevate a prospect based purely upon need.
Westside Steve made a good point in another thread, where if Browns do well this year we won't be in the top 5-10 for next year's draft. If we don't draft a QB this year, what do you do next year?
If we "do well". I'd say we have our QB...
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