If Bridgewater and Bortles are gone what do you do?
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It's hard to tell. Qb's rise and fall unpredictably before the draft. Last year Geno Smith started off as the unquestionably first overall pick.
I also don't follow the logic that next year will be QB "Heavy". This is said every single year except for last. The only time it was true was 2012. But every year the next is claimed as QB heavy and we get up to it and find out that QB's didn't have as good of seasons and the Juniors are not leaving for the draft.
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My intuition tells me that the guy the Browns FO likes is Bortles. They think that with Josh McDaniels they can make him into a Brady type player.....or if not that, he is a big strong mobile guy ala BR/Flacco
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I hope they are gone so we don't screw up and draft them. Really though I wouldn't be upset with Bridge at 4. But in this scenario take either Clowney or Watkins and then either a WR or G next depending on what you do at 4.
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I just ran through fanspeak.com's mock draft sim and drafted Watkins at 4 just to see what could possibly be. ( I know it probably holds no water as everything will change come draft day) but here's what I got
1a - Watkins (WR Clem)
1b - Manziel (QB TAMU)
2 - Tre Mason (RB Aub)
3a - Gabe Jackson (G Miss)
3b - Abbrederis (WR Wisc)
4a - Morgan Moses (OT Va)
4b - Jaylen Watkins (CB Fla)
5 - De'Anthony Thomas (RB Oregon)
6 - Chris Davis (DB Aub)
7 - JC Copeland (FB LSU)
Kinda wish I could have gotten an ILB instead of 2 CBs somewhere but if we drafted that I could not complain at all. A ton of offensive weapons each with their own skill set.
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I just ran through fanspeak.com's mock draft sim and drafted Watkins at 4 just to see what could possibly be. ( I know it probably holds no water as everything will change come draft day) but here's what I got
1a - Watkins (WR Clem)
1b - Manziel (QB TAMU)
2 - Tre Mason (RB Aub)
3a - Gabe Jackson (G Miss)
3b - Abbrederis (WR Wisc)
4a - Morgan Moses (OT Va)
4b - Jaylen Watkins (CB Fla)
5 - De'Anthony Thomas (RB Oregon)
6 - Chris Davis (DB Aub)
7 - JC Copeland (FB LSU)
Kinda wish I could have gotten an ILB instead of 2 CBs somewhere but if we drafted that I could not complain at all. A ton of offensive weapons each with their own skill set.
I just ran through fanspeak.com's mock draft sim and drafted Watkins at 4 just to see what could possibly be. ( I know it probably holds no water as everything will change come draft day) but here's what I got
1a - Watkins (WR Clem)
1b - Manziel (QB TAMU)
2 - Tre Mason (RB Aub)
3a - Gabe Jackson (G Miss)
3b - Abbrederis (WR Wisc)
4a - Morgan Moses (OT Va)
4b - Jaylen Watkins (CB Fla)
5 - De'Anthony Thomas (RB Oregon)
6 - Chris Davis (DB Aub)
7 - JC Copeland (FB LSU)
Kinda wish I could have gotten an ILB instead of 2 CBs somewhere but if we drafted that I could not complain at all. A ton of offensive weapons each with their own skill set.
I doubt Manziel lasts that long. Plus, I agree, an ILB is needed, even if DQJ stays. Once I've done a bit more research on the lower rounds I'll put mine up...
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manziel will be gone way before our second pick.
carr might be there.
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manziel will be gone way before our second pick.
carr might be there.
not been much buzz on Carr lately - he seems to have slipped off the radar when Bortles slipped on.
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A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
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Take Sammy Watkins, then the best available at ILB, CB, OG with our next two picks, then AJ McCarron in the 3rd round. Hoyer starts. McCarron redshirts for at least a year. The rest of the draft - a blocking TE, a real FB, O-line depth.
At RB, I'm going after Tate and Gerhart, get one of them, with Ogby, Lewis and Edwin. If there's a RB pick in rounds 6-7 that makes lots of sense, ie Andre Williams, Raijon Neal falls that far, take him, and trade/dump Ogby or Edwin.
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not been much buzz on Carr lately - he seems to have slipped off the radar when Bortles slipped on.
That was due to his horrible bowl game performance, and I'm glad. He'd be Weeden 2.0. No thanks!
A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
It seems that both the #1 and #2 pick overall are both available to be traded, and the #2 pick is going to be a little less expensive. I'd like to see them trade with the Rams and pick up one of the three (Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel) that they like best.
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No clowney? if avail?
Nah... Watkins...
If we stay 3-4 I do not see Clowney as a stand up. Plus there's the whole motivation thang... Clowney has elite talent to be sure (as does Watkins), but I'm just not sure he'll apply himself.
there are other VERY good WRs besides watkins in this upcoming draft. i like the kid, i agree that he is a playmaker, but can we get someone with a little more height? half of the TD passes thrown in the end zone nowadays are to guys that are hovering over their CB matchups.
Very good ones? Yes, but only one elite that I see...
TD passes come in many forms.... back shoulder... low... I'll take agility over height for height's sake...
A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
We shall see, but I'm betting Banner does not think that Hoyer = "gaping hole"...
But if he is unsure, my fallback is on his good sense that he will not elevate a prospect based purely upon need.
Westside Steve made a good point in another thread, where if Browns do well this year we won't be in the top 5-10 for next year's draft. If we don't draft a QB this year, what do you do next year?
If we "do well". I'd say we have our QB...
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Clowney could absolutely play in a 3-4. He's already an outstanding run defender with his hand in the ground, let him stand up some and that gets better. When it's time to rush, well then we obviously know he does exceptionally well with his hand in the ground. But if we stay in a 3-4 that position isn't as crucial so it's tough to justify taking him. If however we get a DC who runs a 4-3 or (gasp) a more hybrid approach like the elite teams in the NFL are taking....it's hard to justify not taking him. But it's also hard not to go holy shit we could have Gordon and Watkins catching balls from Hoyer.
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I think even Campbell would light the league up again throwing to Watkins and Gordon.
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My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
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A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
That's all well and good but the given scenario is what if the only two QBs worth a first round pick are already gone when the browns pick? Making a thirty pick reach just because it's a QB is pure Retardation. Pick Watkins first then Gilbert or Yankey. In the second take Garoppolo or Manziel (yes I'd rather have Garoppolo than Manziel). BPA from there on out but my point is that reaching for need isn't how good teams draft. "It just isn't done"
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A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
That's all well and good but the given scenario is what if the only two QBs worth a first round pick are already gone when the browns pick? Making a thirty pick reach just because it's a QB is pure Retardation. Pick Watkins first then Gilbert or Yankey. In the second take Garoppolo or Manziel (yes I'd rather have Garoppolo than Manziel). BPA from there on out but my point is that reaching for need isn't how good teams draft. "It just isn't done"
That's all well and good but the given scenario is what if the only two QBs worth a first round pick are already gone when the browns pick? Making a thirty pick reach just because it's a QB is pure Retardation. Pick Watkins first then Gilbert or Yankey. In the second take Garoppolo or Manziel (yes I'd rather have Garoppolo than Manziel). BPA from there on out but my point is that reaching for need isn't how good teams draft. "It just isn't done"
Manziel will be and early 1st round pick. ESPN has that ball rolling already. Pesonnally, I can't even think about who to draft until we see what kind of coach we end up with, and I do mean "end up" with.
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