Trading up ...
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If for whatever reason the Texans don't take Bridgewater, I could see us swapping firsts and add the second to go up from 4 to 2 to take him ahead of Jax. On the other hand, if they feel like they could get a top QB with any one of Bridgewater, Manziel or Bortles then absolutely stand pat and take whichever comes. But I think it's unlikely Lombardi loves any one guy that much.
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Your best bet is to talk to QB needy teams that drafts after the browns(raiders/vikings) and hope you either are able to pull another RGIII like trade with one of those 2 teams, or have the threat pressure the browns into pulling the trigger. I just hope we don't, or atleast not at the cost of anything higher than a 3rd round pick.
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I hope this doesn't happen. I really hope they don't take Manziel at 4. Bridgewater I could see even though I'm not sold on and Bortles I just don't know enough about. I'm pretty firm in the Watkins camp.
Basically I'll just swap you your pick for ours. Don't like it, then fuck it.
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i do not want to trade up at all. bridgewater, bortles, and manziel are all pretty much the same player to me and we should get one of them. my ideal draft would be taking watkins at the 4 and grabbing a QB with either the 1b pick or in the second round.
i do not want to trade up at all. bridgewater, bortles, and manziel are all pretty much the same player to me and we should get one of them. my ideal draft would be taking watkins at the 4 and grabbing a QB with either the 1b pick or in the second round.
I pretty much agree except I don't like any of the QBs there at 1b or 2nd unless Manziel is there. (I don't like any at 1a much either). Maybe Garoppolo in the 3rd. Hopefully Hoyer comes back at what he showed he could be then Garoppolo would have time to get seasoned and ready to be a QB. Idk but I do know the only QB worth a darn at 1a is Bridgewater. But is he worth trading up? Nah.
Only way I'm trading up is with the 1b pick.
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Thanks guys, appreciate your participation in this question.
To answer some of your thoughts, obviously I can't speak for all Rams fans, but it seems a majority tend to believe the Rams front office will trade down somewhat. Many see us drafting from the 4'th overall down to about the 8'th overall, probably not much beyond. Very few of us expect a repeat of the RG3 bonanza, although we do expect fair value. Most of us also have a better feeling about our front office's ability than what you guys project for your own. It's doubtful the Rams stay at # 2 overall, but should we not find a trading partner, chances are, as a pre-combine guesstimate, that Clowney or Watkins would be taken off the board, and because of Coach Fishers close ties with the Matthews family, a very slight possibility he takes an OT. I certainly wouldn't gamble on the Rams sticking with that #2 though, not with the many needs this (Rams) team has. Multiple trade downs are also an option. Most Rams fans projecting mock drafts with trades at this early stage has Cleveland as our primary trade partner, but several have teams leaping over you guys to acquire their 'guy'. This post was not meant to antagonize, only to gather information about what your fan base is thinking and if there were a consensus player a majority of you might wish to add to your team. I wish you good luck for next season, who knows, maybe we'll get lucky enough to meet in the play-offs.
Thanks again,
River
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We have 10 picks and can't possibly use all of them, as that would be the biggest waste imaginable. We have to make a trade somewhere, so here's what I have in mind...
1) IF the Texans don't take Bridgewater - trade our extra 3rd & 4th to swap with the Rams - Draft Bridgewater
2) Draft Watkins/Clowney/Bridgewater/Bortles with #1a. Trade our #2 and/or an extra 3 or 4 - to move up our 1b to find a compliment (Ie, 1a)Watkins 1b) Carr, or 1a)Bortles 1b) Lee/Evans)
3) Draft 1a & 1b as they stand, and attempt to get rid of some picks for better picks next year (just like we did last year)
4) Trade later round picks to get more 2nd-3rd round talent
We don't have room for 10 rookies on our 53-man roster, IF you want to see any improvement next year. We should only draft 7 guys, and really should only be counting on at most 2 of them to be in the starting lineup... We can't just draft 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds and hope to add 3-5 new starters to our lineup... that would be dumb drafting... Any time you add rookies, you add growing pains, so expecting 1 or 2 to start is enough...
#Justsayin' -
Thanks guys, appreciate your participation in this question.
To answer some of your thoughts, obviously I can't speak for all Rams fans, but it seems a majority tend to believe the Rams front office will trade down somewhat. Many see us drafting from the 4'th overall down to about the 8'th overall, probably not much beyond. Very few of us expect a repeat of the RG3 bonanza, although we do expect fair value. Most of us also have a better feeling about our front office's ability than what you guys project for your own. It's doubtful the Rams stay at # 2 overall, but should we not find a trading partner, chances are, as a pre-combine guesstimate, that Clowney or Watkins would be taken off the board, and because of Coach Fishers close ties with the Matthews family, a very slight possibility he takes an OT. I certainly wouldn't gamble on the Rams sticking with that #2 though, not with the many needs this (Rams) team has. Multiple trade downs are also an option. Most Rams fans projecting mock drafts with trades at this early stage has Cleveland as our primary trade partner, but several have teams leaping over you guys to acquire their 'guy'. This post was not meant to antagonize, only to gather information about what your fan base is thinking and if there were a consensus player a majority of you might wish to add to your team. I wish you good luck for next season, who knows, maybe we'll get lucky enough to meet in the play-offs.
Thanks again,
River
Thanks guys, appreciate your participation in this question.
To answer some of your thoughts, obviously I can't speak for all Rams fans, but it seems a majority tend to believe the Rams front office will trade down somewhat. Many see us drafting from the 4'th overall down to about the 8'th overall, probably not much beyond. Very few of us expect a repeat of the RG3 bonanza, although we do expect fair value. Most of us also have a better feeling about our front office's ability than what you guys project for your own. It's doubtful the Rams stay at # 2 overall, but should we not find a trading partner, chances are, as a pre-combine guesstimate, that Clowney or Watkins would be taken off the board, and because of Coach Fishers close ties with the Matthews family, a very slight possibility he takes an OT. I certainly wouldn't gamble on the Rams sticking with that #2 though, not with the many needs this (Rams) team has. Multiple trade downs are also an option. Most Rams fans projecting mock drafts with trades at this early stage has Cleveland as our primary trade partner, but several have teams leaping over you guys to acquire their 'guy'. This post was not meant to antagonize, only to gather information about what your fan base is thinking and if there were a consensus player a majority of you might wish to add to your team. I wish you good luck for next season, who knows, maybe we'll get lucky enough to meet in the play-offs.
Thanks again,
River
There is no consensus on what the Browns should take other than "probably a QB"......but there are a vast amount of options out there even if that is a consensus. Three or 4 guys to choose from....trade up, trade down...or even forget about it til next year when the QB crop might be better and go with Hoyer this year.
So, no, nobody knows what they want to do......including particularly the Browns FO.
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We have 10 picks and can't possibly use all of them, as that would be the biggest waste imaginable. We have to make a trade somewhere, so here's what I have in mind...
1) IF the Texans don't take Bridgewater - trade our extra 3rd & 4th to swap with the Rams - Draft Bridgewater
2) Draft Watkins/Clowney/Bridgewater/Bortles with #1a. Trade our #2 and/or an extra 3 or 4 - to move up our 1b to find a compliment (Ie, 1a)Watkins 1b) Carr, or 1a)Bortles 1b) Lee/Evans)
3) Draft 1a & 1b as they stand, and attempt to get rid of some picks for better picks next year (just like we did last year)
4) Trade later round picks to get more 2nd-3rd round talent
We don't have room for 10 rookies on our 53-man roster, IF you want to see any improvement next year. We should only draft 7 guys, and really should only be counting on at most 2 of them to be in the starting lineup... We can't just draft 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds and hope to add 3-5 new starters to our lineup... that would be dumb drafting... Any time you add rookies, you add growing pains, so expecting 1 or 2 to start is enough...
We have 10 picks and can't possibly use all of them, as that would be the biggest waste imaginable.
I disagree. They could possibly use all of them. You know the Browns need starters at: QB/RB/WR/OG/MLBs plus they can certainly use depth at TE?DB and any number of other places......and what if they lose Mack or Ward or both to FA....then there are those holes to fill.
We have to make a trade somewhere, so here's what I have in mind...
1) IF the Texans don't take Bridgewater - trade our extra 3rd & 4th to swap with the Rams - Draft Bridgewater
2) Draft Watkins/Clowney/Bridgewater/Bortles with #1a. Trade our #2 and/or an extra 3 or 4 - to move up our 1b to find a compliment (Ie, 1a)Watkins 1b) Carr, or 1a)Bortles 1b) Lee/Evans)
3) Draft 1a & 1b as they stand, and attempt to get rid of some picks for better picks next year (just like we did last year)
4) Trade later round picks to get more 2nd-3rd round talent
We don't have room for 10 rookies on our 53-man roster, IF you want to see any improvement next year. We should only draft 7 guys, and really should only be counting on at most 2 of them to be in the starting lineup... We can't just draft 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds and hope to add 3-5 new starters to our lineup... that would be dumb drafting... Any time you add rookies, you add growing pains, so expecting 1 or 2 to start is enough...
They could use 10 rookies...look at our roster now. Lombardi has been playing musical chairs with those last 10 slots. If those could be solidified and stabilized, our special teams would be a lot better. And also, at least 2-3 of those rookie could be put on the PS. No, I see lots of places where additional talent should be added. If bringing in 10 rookies then pushes the backups we have on this team to do better, then I am all for it.
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We have 10 picks and can't possibly use all of them, as that would be the biggest waste imaginable. We have to make a trade somewhere, so here's what I have in mind...
1) IF the Texans don't take Bridgewater - trade our extra 3rd & 4th to swap with the Rams - Draft Bridgewater
2) Draft Watkins/Clowney/Bridgewater/Bortles with #1a. Trade our #2 and/or an extra 3 or 4 - to move up our 1b to find a compliment (Ie, 1a)Watkins 1b) Carr, or 1a)Bortles 1b) Lee/Evans)
3) Draft 1a & 1b as they stand, and attempt to get rid of some picks for better picks next year (just like we did last year)
4) Trade later round picks to get more 2nd-3rd round talent
We don't have room for 10 rookies on our 53-man roster, IF you want to see any improvement next year. We should only draft 7 guys, and really should only be counting on at most 2 of them to be in the starting lineup... We can't just draft 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds and hope to add 3-5 new starters to our lineup... that would be dumb drafting... Any time you add rookies, you add growing pains, so expecting 1 or 2 to start is enough...
We have 10 picks and can't possibly use all of them, as that would be the biggest waste imaginable. We have to make a trade somewhere, so here's what I have in mind...
1) IF the Texans don't take Bridgewater - trade our extra 3rd & 4th to swap with the Rams - Draft Bridgewater
2) Draft Watkins/Clowney/Bridgewater/Bortles with #1a. Trade our #2 and/or an extra 3 or 4 - to move up our 1b to find a compliment (Ie, 1a)Watkins 1b) Carr, or 1a)Bortles 1b) Lee/Evans)
3) Draft 1a & 1b as they stand, and attempt to get rid of some picks for better picks next year (just like we did last year)
4) Trade later round picks to get more 2nd-3rd round talent
We don't have room for 10 rookies on our 53-man roster, IF you want to see any improvement next year. We should only draft 7 guys, and really should only be counting on at most 2 of them to be in the starting lineup... We can't just draft 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds and hope to add 3-5 new starters to our lineup... that would be dumb drafting... Any time you add rookies, you add growing pains, so expecting 1 or 2 to start is enough...
I'm with Gip on this one.If we lose Ward or Mack, we're going to have to use one of those high picks on a replacement. Right now we at least need (qb of the future) OG (maybe two) RB, ILB, CB, safety depth, upgrade at #2 TE, I've already used up 7 picks without even trying. More if we lose some FAs.
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Well the rookies taken in rounds 4 through 7 will likely not be starting material. Round 3 toss up...
But there's no reason we couldn't have 4 or 5 starters from the draft.
WSS
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If you put 2-3 players you draft on the PS, they can be signed to other teams without compensation... thus wasted draft picks if they're any good
Also, if you get 4-5 starters from the same draft, then you're starting 4-5 rookies which means "waiting until next year" while these guys develop and get beat... especially late in the year when they hit the inevitable "rookie wall"
If we have 7 holes to fill in the starting lineup, which I don't think we do, we need to utilize the players we have been developing, FA, and the draft to fill them... not just the draft... unless you want to wait another 3 years to see if those 10 guys turn out to be any good... Youth is good, but the 2nd youngest team in the NFL adding 10 rookies... just doesn't make sense...
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If you put 2-3 players you draft on the PS, they can be signed to other teams without compensation... thus wasted draft picks if they're any good
Also, if you get 4-5 starters from the same draft, then you're starting 4-5 rookies which means "waiting until next year" while these guys develop and get beat... especially late in the year when they hit the inevitable "rookie wall"
If we have 7 holes to fill in the starting lineup, which I don't think we do, we need to utilize the players we have been developing, FA, and the draft to fill them... not just the draft... unless you want to wait another 3 years to see if those 10 guys turn out to be any good... Youth is good, but the 2nd youngest team in the NFL adding 10 rookies... just doesn't make sense...
If you put 2-3 players you draft on the PS, they can be signed to other teams without compensation... thus wasted draft picks if they're any good
Also, if you get 4-5 starters from the same draft, then you're starting 4-5 rookies which means "waiting until next year" while these guys develop and get beat... especially late in the year when they hit the inevitable "rookie wall"
If we have 7 holes to fill in the starting lineup, which I don't think we do, we need to utilize the players we have been developing, FA, and the draft to fill them... not just the draft... unless you want to wait another 3 years to see if those 10 guys turn out to be any good... Youth is good, but the 2nd youngest team in the NFL adding 10 rookies... just doesn't make sense...
Yes, some holes would/should/could be fill with veterans via FA.....But I mean WTF.....if this team is going to be relying on a rookie starting QB next year....then hell yes, we again will all be waiting till the following year.
That is what the QB fuckups do to this team. Couch/Quinn/Frye/McCoy/Weeden....yea, it takes two years to figure out if these guys will be any good......and none of them were and this team has suffered setbacks of two years each time.
Where the hell do you think we will be if we go down the rookie road again?
Unless Hoyer becomes the real deal, that is where we are headed....again.
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1st round this year 1st round next year, I think the FO puts a lot of value in to the depth of this class and would be shocked to see them trade out of a whole lot this year.
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If you put 2-3 players you draft on the PS, they can be signed to other teams without compensation... thus wasted draft picks if they're any good
Also, if you get 4-5 starters from the same draft, then you're starting 4-5 rookies which means "waiting until next year" while these guys develop and get beat... especially late in the year when they hit the inevitable "rookie wall"
If we have 7 holes to fill in the starting lineup, which I don't think we do, we need to utilize the players we have been developing, FA, and the draft to fill them... not just the draft... unless you want to wait another 3 years to see if those 10 guys turn out to be any good... Youth is good, but the 2nd youngest team in the NFL adding 10 rookies... just doesn't make sense...
Yes, some holes would/should/could be fill with veterans via FA.....But I mean WTF.....if this team is going to be relying on a rookie starting QB next year....then hell yes, we again will all be waiting till the following year.
That is what the QB fuckups do to this team. Couch/Quinn/Frye/McCoy/Weeden....yea, it takes two years to figure out if these guys will be any good......and none of them were and this team has suffered setbacks of two years each time.
Where the hell do you think we will be if we go down the rookie road again?
Unless Hoyer becomes the real deal, that is where we are headed....again.
Yes, some holes would/should/could be fill with veterans via FA.....But I mean WTF.....if this team is going to be relying on a rookie starting QB next year....then hell yes, we again will all be waiting till the following year.
That is what the QB fuckups do to this team. Couch/Quinn/Frye/McCoy/Weeden....yea, it takes two years to figure out if these guys will be any good......and none of them were and this team has suffered setbacks of two years each time.
Where the hell do you think we will be if we go down the rookie road again?
Unless Hoyer becomes the real deal, that is where we are headed....again.
Or we go where 3 rookie QBs took their teams last year... the playoffs
#Justsayin' -
I don't believe we need to move up, but if a QB needy team like Minnesota moves up/threatens to move up to #2 then we might need to consider a trade if we want one of the 3 "bluechip" qb's
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I don't believe we need to move up, but if a QB needy team like Minnesota moves up/threatens to move up to #2 then we might need to consider a trade if we want one of the 3 "bluechip" qb's
I don't believe we need to move up, but if a QB needy team like Minnesota moves up/threatens to move up to #2 then we might need to consider a trade if we want one of the 3 "bluechip" qb's
Yeah- just like we got suckered that someone might jump ahead of us to take Richardson.
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We have 10 picks and can't possibly use all of them, as that would be the biggest waste imaginable. We have to make a trade somewhere, so here's what I have in mind...
1) IF the Texans don't take Bridgewater - trade our extra 3rd & 4th to swap with the Rams - Draft Bridgewater
2) Draft Watkins/Clowney/Bridgewater/Bortles with #1a. Trade our #2 and/or an extra 3 or 4 - to move up our 1b to find a compliment (Ie, 1a)Watkins 1b) Carr, or 1a)Bortles 1b) Lee/Evans)
3) Draft 1a & 1b as they stand, and attempt to get rid of some picks for better picks next year (just like we did last year)
4) Trade later round picks to get more 2nd-3rd round talent
We don't have room for 10 rookies on our 53-man roster, IF you want to see any improvement next year. We should only draft 7 guys, and really should only be counting on at most 2 of them to be in the starting lineup... We can't just draft 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds and hope to add 3-5 new starters to our lineup... that would be dumb drafting... Any time you add rookies, you add growing pains, so expecting 1 or 2 to start is enough...
We have 10 picks and can't possibly use all of them, as that would be the biggest waste imaginable. We have to make a trade somewhere, so here's what I have in mind...
1) IF the Texans don't take Bridgewater - trade our extra 3rd & 4th to swap with the Rams - Draft Bridgewater
2) Draft Watkins/Clowney/Bridgewater/Bortles with #1a. Trade our #2 and/or an extra 3 or 4 - to move up our 1b to find a compliment (Ie, 1a)Watkins 1b) Carr, or 1a)Bortles 1b) Lee/Evans)
3) Draft 1a & 1b as they stand, and attempt to get rid of some picks for better picks next year (just like we did last year)
4) Trade later round picks to get more 2nd-3rd round talent
illogical.
we can and should use every pick we have unless we get an offer to trade downs and garner more picks.
we could easily replace 10 players on our roster with upgrades from the draft.
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We have 10 picks and can't possibly use all of them, as that would be the biggest waste imaginable. We have to make a trade somewhere, so here's what I have in mind...
1) IF the Texans don't take Bridgewater - trade our extra 3rd & 4th to swap with the Rams - Draft Bridgewater
2) Draft Watkins/Clowney/Bridgewater/Bortles with #1a. Trade our #2 and/or an extra 3 or 4 - to move up our 1b to find a compliment (Ie, 1a)Watkins 1b) Carr, or 1a)Bortles 1b) Lee/Evans)
3) Draft 1a & 1b as they stand, and attempt to get rid of some picks for better picks next year (just like we did last year)
4) Trade later round picks to get more 2nd-3rd round talent
illogical.
we can and should use every pick we have unless we get an offer to trade downs and garner more picks.
we could easily replace 10 players on our roster with upgrades from the draft.
no. No way. We wouldnt be able to keep em all and would end up cutting 3 or 4 once training camp rolls around. Dont forget we will add a few free agents as well. I'd say no more than 7 rookies are on the final roster after cuts....and that'll be an NFL high. I'd like to see them package some picks for some proven talent.illogical.
we can and should use every pick we have unless we get an offer to trade downs and garner more picks.
we could easily replace 10 players on our roster with upgrades from the draft.
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