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Is Tom Brady the greatest of all time?

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  • Yes he is but its definetly not coaching BB didnt do shit for us when he was here

    next2nothingN 1 Reply
  • J jeffinwv

    who knows...coulda been the plan was pass..then when they would run and it got a nice gain they said lets just do this till they stop it...If the Browns ever found something that worked I would suggest doing this same thing one day

    @jeffinwv said:

    who knows...coulda been the plan was pass..then when they would run and it got a nice gain they said lets just do this till they stop it...If the Browns ever found something that worked I would suggest doing this same thing one day

    Yes, that's what I assume was most likely too.

  • Cassell winning so many games with the Pats showed they are a very well built offense whoever is the QB.

    I honestly think he is the most overrated QB in history and certainly isn't anywhere near Manning for me

    T 1 Reply
  • J JMR-JUST-A-GAME

    Yes he is but its definetly not coaching BB didnt do shit for us when he was here

    @jmr-just-a-game said:

    Yes he is but its definetly not coaching BB didnt do shit for us when he was here

    I'd take BB over all the jokes we've hired since '99.

  • next2nothingN next2nothing

    @jmr-just-a-game said:

    Yes he is but its definetly not coaching BB didnt do shit for us when he was here

    I'd take BB over all the jokes we've hired since '99.

    @next2nothing said:

    I'd take BB over all the jokes we've hired since '99.

    BB is a complete 0 without Brady...

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~

  • Otto Graham is the best QB to ever play the game. I'd take a young Otto Graham over any player in the history of the NFL, Jim Brown, A.P. and Tom Brady included.

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  • Greatest of all time? Obviously it can greatly be considered a subjective thing. Here is the raw data simply stating who won the most titles:

    7 Otto Graham

    5 Bart Starr

    4 Sid Luckman

    ---Terry Bradshaw

    ---Joe Montana

    3 John Unitas

    ---Troy Aikman

    ---Tom Brady

    2 All of the following

    John Elway

    Roger Staubach

    Jim Plunkett

    Eli Manning

    Bob Griese

    Len Dawson

    Tommy Thompson

    Bobby Layne

    Sammy Baugh

    George Blanda

    Ed Danowski

    Arnie Herber

    Norm Van Brocklin

    Bob Waterfield

    Jack Kemp

    Tobin Rote

    Ben Roethlisberger

    Note: No Peyton Manning/Brett Favre/Dan Marino/Warren Moon/Fran Tarkenton/Dan Fouts/Jim Kelly

  • Others who have won one single championship:

    Brett Favre

    Peyton Manning

    Kurt Warner

    Joe Flacco

    Steve Young

    Joe Theismnn

    Phil Simms

    Jeff Hostetler

    Drew Brees

    Trent Dilfer

    Mark Rypien

    Aaron Rodgers

    Doug Williams

    Brad Johnson

    Jim McMahon

    Don Heinrich

    Joe Namath

    Glen Presnell

    Irv Comp

    Paul Christman

    Ed Danowski

    Bill Wade

    Carl Brumbaugh

    Frank Ryan

  • While that is a great way to look at it, and I often use it in arguments (because its the only way to get a Brown into the conversation), I dont think you can use that as a top case maker. As long as they have one they're in consideration. Total w/l is more important to me. QB rating is also more important.

  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    While that is a great way to look at it, and I often use it in arguments (because its the only way to get a Brown into the conversation), I dont think you can use that as a top case maker. As long as they have one they're in consideration. Total w/l is more important to me. QB rating is also more important.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    While that is a great way to look at it, and I often use it in arguments (because its the only way to get a Brown into the conversation), I dont think you can use that as a top case maker. As long as they have one they're in consideration. Total w/l is more important to me. QB rating is also more important.

    NO, QB rating is NOT important. If it were then we would have to include in the argument the likes of Jeff Garcia, Daunte Culpepper, Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington, Tony Romo, Philip Rivers in the conversation of best all time as those are all in the Top 15 career.

    No. Lets leave passer rating out.

  • It is more important than super bowl wins. W/L record and zero superbowls exclude most of those guys.

  • Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor.

  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor.

    Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor.

    Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite.

    nickersN Flyin JF 2 Replies
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor.

    Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor.

    Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor.

    Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite.

    Roman Gabriel comes to mind as an example.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor.

    Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor.

    Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor.

    Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite.

    No Super Bowls!
    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • Bledsoes doesnt count

  • Johnny Manziel is the greatest QB of all time. Large hands, plays bigger than his 5-11 190 size, makes all the throws, escapes the rush like Houdini, exciting public relations machine...he's got it all.

    SuomiS 1 Reply
  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor.

    Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite.

    No Super Bowls!

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    No Super Bowls!

    Both Kerry Collins and Drew Bledsoe did start a SB game. Bledsoe's Pats lost to the Packers, and Collin's Giants lost to the Ravens in 2000.

    Should appearances count?

    Flyin JF 1 Reply
  • L LondonBrown

    Cassell winning so many games with the Pats showed they are a very well built offense whoever is the QB.

    I honestly think he is the most overrated QB in history and certainly isn't anywhere near Manning for me

    @londonbrown said:

    Cassell winning so many games with the Pats showed they are a very well built offense whoever is the QB.

    I honestly think he is the most overrated QB in history and certainly isn't anywhere near Manning for me

    I wonder if Peyton manning would agree and I'd say 100% he would absolutely dispute Tom Brady being called the most over rated qb of all time

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • Anyone who thinks Tom Brady is the ''greatest QB of all time'' hasn't been watching football very long. I've been following football since the late '50's, and he's not even in my top ten.

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