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Is Tom Brady the greatest of all time?

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  • I don't know, I think Billy has a lot to do with his success.

    remember the year he went down and Matt Cassel stepped in and was a super star, and now he is a third string behind Ponder and Freeman.

    Not saying Brady is a slub, but if he played for another team, I doubt he would be as successful.

    gftChrisG 1 Reply

  • Manning is the best I've ever seen, Brady hasn't passed Montana in my mind yet, but he is certainly in the same neighborhood.

    I'm a stubborn Browns fan though, so ... Otto Graham is the greatest QB ever.

    Zombo

  • hx214H hx214

    I don't know, I think Billy has a lot to do with his success.

    remember the year he went down and Matt Cassel stepped in and was a super star, and now he is a third string behind Ponder and Freeman.

    Not saying Brady is a slub, but if he played for another team, I doubt he would be as successful.

    @hx214 said:

    I don't know, I think Billy has a lot to do with his success.

    remember the year he went down and Matt Cassel stepped in and was a super star, and now he is a third string behind Ponder and Freeman.

    Not saying Brady is a slub, but if he played for another team, I doubt he would be as successful.

    So then are we saying the if you picked up brady and BB and dumped them on any other team they'd stand a chance of making the playoffs in 2 years? Because I'm close to thinking that's genuinely the case.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @hx214 said:

    I don't know, I think Billy has a lot to do with his success.

    remember the year he went down and Matt Cassel stepped in and was a super star, and now he is a third string behind Ponder and Freeman.

    Not saying Brady is a slub, but if he played for another team, I doubt he would be as successful.

    So then are we saying the if you picked up brady and BB and dumped them on any other team they'd stand a chance of making the playoffs in 2 years? Because I'm close to thinking that's genuinely the case.

    @gftchris said:

    So then are we saying the if you picked up brady and BB and dumped them on any other team they'd stand a chance of making the playoffs in 2 years? Because I'm close to thinking that's genuinely the case.

    Yep, you could say that.

    But I also think you could take BB and he could do it with just about any QB in the league. Not so sure about Brady being able to do it with any other coach. I feel like Manning could do it with any other coach though.

  • tml1138T tml1138

    Interestingly enough, Patriots were a running team last night against the Colts. Did Brady even throw one touchdown pass last night?

    I guess they figured they'd exploit Colts run defense, or lack thereof. It worked.

    @tml1138 said:

    Interestingly enough, Patriots were a running team last night against the Colts. Did Brady even throw one touchdown pass last night?

    I guess they figured they'd exploit Colts run defense, or lack thereof. It worked.

    But if Brady had to throw to win he would have done that

  • J jeffinwv

    @tml1138 said:

    Interestingly enough, Patriots were a running team last night against the Colts. Did Brady even throw one touchdown pass last night?

    I guess they figured they'd exploit Colts run defense, or lack thereof. It worked.

    But if Brady had to throw to win he would have done that

    @jeffinwv said:

    But if Brady had to throw to win he would have done that

    I'm sure. I'm only pointing out I found it interesting that they didn't utilize him that way...in a playoff game no less. Another question...I wonder was that BB's idea or Josh McD's?

  • who knows...coulda been the plan was pass..then when they would run and it got a nice gain they said lets just do this till they stop it...If the Browns ever found something that worked I would suggest doing this same thing one day

    tml1138T 1 Reply

  • Yes he is but its definetly not coaching BB didnt do shit for us when he was here

    next2nothingN 1 Reply
  • J jeffinwv

    who knows...coulda been the plan was pass..then when they would run and it got a nice gain they said lets just do this till they stop it...If the Browns ever found something that worked I would suggest doing this same thing one day

    @jeffinwv said:

    who knows...coulda been the plan was pass..then when they would run and it got a nice gain they said lets just do this till they stop it...If the Browns ever found something that worked I would suggest doing this same thing one day

    Yes, that's what I assume was most likely too.

  • Cassell winning so many games with the Pats showed they are a very well built offense whoever is the QB.

    I honestly think he is the most overrated QB in history and certainly isn't anywhere near Manning for me

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  • J JMR-JUST-A-GAME

    Yes he is but its definetly not coaching BB didnt do shit for us when he was here

    @jmr-just-a-game said:

    Yes he is but its definetly not coaching BB didnt do shit for us when he was here

    I'd take BB over all the jokes we've hired since '99.

  • next2nothingN next2nothing

    @jmr-just-a-game said:

    Yes he is but its definetly not coaching BB didnt do shit for us when he was here

    I'd take BB over all the jokes we've hired since '99.

    @next2nothing said:

    I'd take BB over all the jokes we've hired since '99.

    BB is a complete 0 without Brady...

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~

  • Otto Graham is the best QB to ever play the game. I'd take a young Otto Graham over any player in the history of the NFL, Jim Brown, A.P. and Tom Brady included.

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  • Greatest of all time? Obviously it can greatly be considered a subjective thing. Here is the raw data simply stating who won the most titles:

    7 Otto Graham

    5 Bart Starr

    4 Sid Luckman

    ---Terry Bradshaw

    ---Joe Montana

    3 John Unitas

    ---Troy Aikman

    ---Tom Brady

    2 All of the following

    John Elway

    Roger Staubach

    Jim Plunkett

    Eli Manning

    Bob Griese

    Len Dawson

    Tommy Thompson

    Bobby Layne

    Sammy Baugh

    George Blanda

    Ed Danowski

    Arnie Herber

    Norm Van Brocklin

    Bob Waterfield

    Jack Kemp

    Tobin Rote

    Ben Roethlisberger

    Note: No Peyton Manning/Brett Favre/Dan Marino/Warren Moon/Fran Tarkenton/Dan Fouts/Jim Kelly

  • Others who have won one single championship:

    Brett Favre

    Peyton Manning

    Kurt Warner

    Joe Flacco

    Steve Young

    Joe Theismnn

    Phil Simms

    Jeff Hostetler

    Drew Brees

    Trent Dilfer

    Mark Rypien

    Aaron Rodgers

    Doug Williams

    Brad Johnson

    Jim McMahon

    Don Heinrich

    Joe Namath

    Glen Presnell

    Irv Comp

    Paul Christman

    Ed Danowski

    Bill Wade

    Carl Brumbaugh

    Frank Ryan

  • While that is a great way to look at it, and I often use it in arguments (because its the only way to get a Brown into the conversation), I dont think you can use that as a top case maker. As long as they have one they're in consideration. Total w/l is more important to me. QB rating is also more important.

  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    While that is a great way to look at it, and I often use it in arguments (because its the only way to get a Brown into the conversation), I dont think you can use that as a top case maker. As long as they have one they're in consideration. Total w/l is more important to me. QB rating is also more important.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    While that is a great way to look at it, and I often use it in arguments (because its the only way to get a Brown into the conversation), I dont think you can use that as a top case maker. As long as they have one they're in consideration. Total w/l is more important to me. QB rating is also more important.

    NO, QB rating is NOT important. If it were then we would have to include in the argument the likes of Jeff Garcia, Daunte Culpepper, Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington, Tony Romo, Philip Rivers in the conversation of best all time as those are all in the Top 15 career.

    No. Lets leave passer rating out.

  • It is more important than super bowl wins. W/L record and zero superbowls exclude most of those guys.

  • Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor.

  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor.

    Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor.

    Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite.

    nickersN Flyin JF 2 Replies
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