Who is the number one player you want in the 2014 draft?
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You can't be gun shy going into the draft. Mistakes will be made, but you have to get what you need. Hoyer did well for the brief time he was healthy, but is still unproven. Regardless of our recent draft history, we still need to get a qb, and odds are it will need to be our first pick. Take Manziel with the first, and if needed, move up 2 spots to assure it. I assume we'll have a coach by then and know what type of schemes we'll be using, so fill the needs with the other picks. If McCarron in there in the 3rd, take him to. Hell , why not.
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Surprised at the Horton/Turner differences considering how much better defense was over offense this year
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Surprised at the Horton/Turner differences considering how much better defense was over offense this year
Surprised at the Horton/Turner differences considering how much better defense was over offense this year
I'd say defence, like the team in general, got worse over the season. Offence got better, IMHO.
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Defense was surely better than offense over the season? It would have been even better if it wasn't on the field all the bloody time
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I can't believe everyone is ready to put this much faith in Hoyer....undeserved. I think he'd make a great mentor, and backup, to whoever were gonna draft.
I think he does deserve another shot even though he probably won't get one, they'll throw whatever rookie we get in the game from day one expecting him to play like a pro. The reason for my Hoyer homerism is i think if he starts the first 2 games we would have won them... then he wins the the next 2 games which we seen and that would have made the browns 4-0 when he gets hurt, if he hadn't been hurt he would've been 5-0. And i think he would have won all the close games that Weedone and Campbell lost and had a winning record at the end of the year. Am i the only guy who thinks the whole team played better with him, defense was killer in his games cause they didn't have to be on the field all day, Gordon and Cameron both looked like stars, it just seemed like a different team with him behind the center.XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I can't believe everyone is ready to put this much faith in Hoyer....undeserved. I think he'd make a great mentor, and backup, to whoever were gonna draft.
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Like I've said in multiple threads. If you dont have a QB, youre just spinning tires till you find one. We cant afford to let past QB failures deter us from trying to find one. Every scout in America has three QB's among their top 15-20 players overall. We need to get one, we have to get one. In all likelihood we won't be able to get Winston next year and other than him, none will be any better prospects than what's available this year. Keep swinging.
Go, Sammy Go...
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Like I've said in multiple threads. If you dont have a QB, youre just spinning tires till you find one. We cant afford to let past QB failures deter us from trying to find one. Every scout in America has three QB's among their top 15-20 players overall. We need to get one, we have to get one. In all likelihood we won't be able to get Winston next year and other than him, none will be any better prospects than what's available this year. Keep swinging.
Have you swung at one yet?
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I think he does deserve another shot even though he probably won't get one, they'll throw whatever rookie we get in the game from day one expecting him to play like a pro. The reason for my Hoyer homerism is i think if he starts the first 2 games we would have won them... then he wins the the next 2 games which we seen and that would have made the browns 4-0 when he gets hurt, if he hadn't been hurt he would've been 5-0. And i think he would have won all the close games that Weedone and Campbell lost and had a winning record at the end of the year. Am i the only guy who thinks the whole team played better with him, defense was killer in his games cause they didn't have to be on the field all day, Gordon and Cameron both looked like stars, it just seemed like a different team with him behind the center.XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I can't believe everyone is ready to put this much faith in Hoyer....undeserved. I think he'd make a great mentor, and backup, to whoever were gonna draft.
Well thats a lot of thinking and speculation, but the truth is that Campbells first two starts were better than Hoyers. Once these DC's get some tape on ya things get a whole lot more difficult. Im definitely not saying to cut him, but I'd rather go into the season with a highly rated rookie that can learn from Hoyer and battle in training camp with him. If Hoyer is who the 3 teams who cut him thinks he is, then we have the next man up on the roster....If Hoyer shocks the world and plays like an all-pro then we have one helluva trade chip.I think he does deserve another shot even though he probably won't get one, they'll throw whatever rookie we get in the game from day one expecting him to play like a pro. The reason for my Hoyer homerism is i think if he starts the first 2 games we would have won them... then he wins the the next 2 games which we seen and that would have made the browns 4-0 when he gets hurt, if he hadn't been hurt he would've been 5-0 after the chargers game. And i think he would have won all the close games that Weedone and Campbell lost and had a winning record at the end of the year. Am i the only guy who thinks the whole team played better with him, defense was killer in his games cause they didn't have to be on the field all day, Gordon and Cameron both looked like stars, it just seemed like a different team with him behind the center.
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Go, Sammy Go...
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Like I've said in multiple threads. If you dont have a QB, youre just spinning tires till you find one. We cant afford to let past QB failures deter us from trying to find one. Every scout in America has three QB's among their top 15-20 players overall. We need to get one, we have to get one. In all likelihood we won't be able to get Winston next year and other than him, none will be any better prospects than what's available this year. Keep swinging.
Have you swung at one yet?
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LOL.. Seriously, for the record, which QB do you want?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well thats a lot of thinking and speculation, but the truth is that Campbells first two starts were better than Hoyers. Once these DC's get some tape on ya things get a whole lot more difficult. Im definitely not saying to cut him, but I'd rather go into the season with a highly rated rookie that can learn from Hoyer and battle in training camp with him. If Hoyer is who the 3 teams who cut him thinks he is, then we have the next man up on the roster....If Hoyer shocks the world and plays like an all-pro then we have one helluva trade chip.I think he does deserve another shot even though he probably won't get one, they'll throw whatever rookie we get in the game from day one expecting him to play like a pro. The reason for my Hoyer homerism is i think if he starts the first 2 games we would have won them... then he wins the the next 2 games which we seen and that would have made the browns 4-0 when he gets hurt, if he hadn't been hurt he would've been 5-0 after the chargers game. And i think he would have won all the close games that Weedone and Campbell lost and had a winning record at the end of the year. Am i the only guy who thinks the whole team played better with him, defense was killer in his games cause they didn't have to be on the field all day, Gordon and Cameron both looked like stars, it just seemed like a different team with him behind the center.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Well thats a lot of thinking and speculation, but the truth is that Campbells first two starts were better than Hoyers. Once these DC's get some tape on ya things get a whole lot more difficult. Im definitely not saying to cut him, but I'd rather go into the season with a highly rated rookie that can learn from Hoyer and battle in training camp with him. If Hoyer is who the 3 teams who cut him thinks he is, then we have the next man up on the roster....If Hoyer shocks the world and plays like an all-pro then we have one helluva trade chip.
I disagree bout him having a better 2 starts, for one he was 1-1 and not 2-0 and he just sucks. I can't stand a qb thats scared to throw downfield. How many times do we have to see the browns on a 3rd and 5 and the dumbass qb makes a 1 yard pass and receiver goes down immediately cause he had 3 defenders standing in front of him before the pass was thrown. I mean whats the point of throws like this on a consistant basis, to make his completion % look better? Not to mention Hoyer seemed really accurate and fast compared to what i'm used to seeing. It's almost like he had somehow learned to read a defense and knew the reciever that was gunna be open before the ball was snapped, that thing that Weedone could never learn. I don't care who they pick in the draft, i'm just glad i never have to see Weeden again. If they keep him for a back up i might lose it. Every damn sunday watching that dumbass hold the ball looking clueless, i'd be screaming throw the fuc*ing ball you dumbass and he'd be like beaky buzzard "no no nope no no i aint gunna do it". God i hate Weeden.
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I'd take Watkins over the QB's in this draft.
As much as I'd like to hope that Johnny would come in and light it up, I feel like he is the next RGIII on constant rehab.
I feel like Hoyer has just as good of/ maybe better chance to come in and play solid as any of these rookies would.
Watkins, Gordon, and Cameron plus a solid running game.... I think Hoyer takes the helm with that crew and wins alot of games.
I'd take Watkins over the QB's in this draft.
As much as I'd like to hope that Johnny would come in and light it up, I feel like he is the next RGIII on constant rehab.
I feel like Hoyer has just as good of/ maybe better chance to come in and play solid as any of these rookies would.
Watkins, Gordon, and Cameron plus a solid running game.... I think Hoyer takes the helm with that crew and wins alot of games.
^^BINGO!!!
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In fairness, if you watch tape hoyer didn't make many wrong reads.
Even the 2 interceptions. If he had a cannon like weeden they may have been completions.
3rd pick he was hit. It happens.
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you cant win without a QB.We seem to forget about the second first round pick..if we need a RB get the best one available at 26. Like I said earlier get Manziel and get the best offensive player available to hlp him with the 26th...
That s trying to win.. do not pick a WR that may not even be a good pro to help a hopefully high drafted QB next year that may not even be a good pro! lol
We all keep saying theyd be lucky to draft one great player and people wanna try to draft a WR and hopefully {I guess} lose every game next year with this {great} WR and hopefully get a QB that is great
jeesh
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I can't believe so many of you are going to sleep on Derek Carr.
Wow, the guy has thrown for over 4000 yards, 37 TDs to 7 ints. That was in 2012. This last season he threw for over 5000 yards! 50 motherfucking TDs to just 8 ints. That combined is over 9000 Yards, almost 90 TDs to just 15 ints!
That is pretty impressive. He's the best since Sam Bradford threw 50 back in 2008. Bradford went #1 if I remember correctly.
I look at it this way. Peyton Manning is amazing, Eli, well.... David Carr is a supposed bust, but then again, he was the number 1 overall draft pick to an expansion team, the Houston Texans. Much like Tim Couch was our expansion QB that supposedly busted. Anyway, what are the odds that Derek will be as bad as his brother and also be a bust. I like the odds in favor of Derek Carr being a success.
He will be a great QB, he has a passion for the game, and his teammates feed off of that. He's charismatic and humble. He CAN make all the throws that any you would want a QB to make. He is 6'3 and 218 pounds, runs a 4.6 40 yard dash and will go airborn to score the TD.
Some may want Bridgewater, Manziel or Broyles... eh, give me Watkins and a trade up to grab Carr before another team and then finish the sweep by taking Hyde off the market and we've got ourselves a squad. Hoyer starts, Carr learns the rope and the speed of the game, this is the perfect scenario.
Keep in mind that Hoyer, while we all have high hopes for the guy is quickly approaching 30 years old and he's yet to do anything special. Carr is a very young and hungry up-n-comer and I believe he will be great in the NFL.
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