What's wrong with Derek Carr?
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The fact that POG is on the Carr bandwagon only validates my opinion.
He's a bust and POG is an idiot.
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The fact that POG is on the Carr bandwagon only validates my opinion.
He's a bust and POG is an idiot.
The fact that POG is on the Carr bandwagon only validates my opinion.
He's a bust and POG is an idiot.
Yep, that puts the nail in Trent's, I mean Carr's coffin.
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The Browns should hire POG so they know who not to draft..
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Scenario A
Raiders trade up to #1 and pick Manziel
Vikings trade up to #2 and pick Bortles
Jaguars pick Bridgewater
Browns...?
...pick Sammy Watkins at #4, and trade up into the #14-20 range using their pick at #26 and a 3rd or 4th and draft Carr.
Is that so bad?
Or, Scenario B:
First 4 picks in the round go the same way as in Scenario A (Watkins)
Browns go CB with pick #26
Browns go OG with pick in 2nd
Browns go RB and ILB in 3rd
Browns go developmental QB in 4th (Garappolo, Brett Smith, McCarron, Fales...)
...
Profit...or disaster?
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Why is everyon down on Carr?
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Draft Carr. Start Hoyer. Hoyer stays healthy and plays the entire 2014 season. Carr starts when "ready", or when Hoyer gets injured in 2015 season.
What makes everyone so sure Hoyer's knee is gonna be good enough for him to be ready by the start of next season?
Most people are only about 80% at the 1yr mark after ACL surgery(Excluding AP of course)
This notion that both Hoyer and Lewis will be ready to go next September is pie in the sky
I hope the powers that be plan to be more prepared at QB & RB next august than they are right now!
What makes everyone so sure Hoyer's knee is gonna be good enough for him to be ready by the start of next season?
Most people are only about 80% at the 1yr mark after ACL surgery(Excluding AP of course)
This notion that both Hoyer and Lewis will be ready to go next September is pie in the sky
I hope the powers that be plan to be more prepared at QB & RB next august than they are right now!
Hoyer only had a partial tear. He didn't completely shred his knee.
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just cuz carr's brother sucked doesn't mean he will.
he threw for a ton of yards in that conference. i'd take him with our second overall pick, or his nemesis in fales in the 3rd. that was a great game to watch. both QBs throwing for over 400 yards with no defense to stop anybody.
manziel did the same thing with his god-awful D. score more points. but like i said in an earlier post, a lot of GMs are being scared away from these read option guys considering they're putting their 23 million dollar investment on the field with the ambulance doors wide open and the ER team standing by.
carr is a prototypical pocket passer. but i think we'll land bortles @4.
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Scenario A
Raiders trade up to #1 and pick Manziel
Vikings trade up to #2 and pick Bortles
Jaguars pick Bridgewater
Browns...?
...pick Sammy Watkins at #4, and trade up into the #14-20 range using their pick at #26 and a 3rd or 4th and draft Carr.
Is that so bad?
Or, Scenario B:
First 4 picks in the round go the same way as in Scenario A (Watkins)
Browns go CB with pick #26
Browns go OG with pick in 2nd
Browns go RB and ILB in 3rd
Browns go developmental QB in 4th (Garappolo, Brett Smith, McCarron, Fales...)
...
Profit...or disaster?
Scenario A
Raiders trade up to #1 and pick Manziel
Vikings trade up to #2 and pick Bortles
Jaguars pick Bridgewater
Browns...?
...pick Sammy Watkins at #4, and trade up into the #14-20 range using their pick at #26 and a 3rd or 4th and draft Carr.
Is that so bad?
Or, Scenario B:
First 4 picks in the round go the same way as in Scenario A (Watkins)
Browns go CB with pick #26
Browns go OG with pick in 2nd
Browns go RB and ILB in 3rd
Browns go developmental QB in 4th (Garappolo, Brett Smith, McCarron, Fales...)
...
Profit...or disaster?
I'd be happy with scenario B. I'll even state the picks for you:
1a - watkins
1b - Gilbert
2 - Richardson
3a - Skov
3b - Hyde? Might not be here.
4a - Garoppolo
4b - Smallwood
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@mike-h said:
Pretty bad under pressure. Faced inferior competition. Not great in fourth quarter. Third of his passes were screens, a lot of his yardage was YAC. System QB.
After actually watching him, that's my take.
This. He looked pretty terrible against USC, the only team worth a squirt of piss that they played all year.
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Nothing is wrong with Derek Carr if we get Sammy Watkins.
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You don't draft a WR to make your QB position better. You actually draft the QB. Teams have tried... a lot, in fact. It's wagging the dog. The Browns won't be waiting for Garroppolo or Fales to draft their QB in a QB league. Not a prayer.
It's Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles. That's the discussion. No team with a clear-cut #1 WR is going to draft another in the top 5 unless his name is Matt Millen. That's absurd. You can't get a return on that investment from a #2 WR (especially with an All Pro TE taking a lot of looks, too).
Horrible idea.
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I still like Carr. He is a smart QB and is probably the purest pocket passer in the draft. He has prototypical size, and great touch on his passes. Needs to improve his footwork. He does get rattled in the pocket which reminds me of Weeden, so that is a major concern, but he is younger and can move around. I'd take him at 26 if he fell, but I'm pretty sure we'll be drafting Bridgewater or Bortles at 4, so it's probably a moot point...
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You don't draft a WR to make your QB position better. You actually draft the QB. Teams have tried... a lot, in fact. It's wagging the dog. The Browns won't be waiting for Garroppolo or Fales to draft their QB in a QB league. Not a prayer.
It's Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles. That's the discussion. No team with a clear-cut #1 WR is going to draft another in the top 5 unless his name is Matt Millen. That's absurd. You can't get a return on that investment from a #2 WR (especially with an All Pro TE taking a lot of looks, too).
Horrible idea.
You don't draft a WR to make your QB position better. You actually draft the QB. Teams have tried... a lot, in fact. It's wagging the dog. The Browns won't be waiting for Garroppolo or Fales to draft their QB in a QB league. Not a prayer.
It's Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles. That's the discussion. No team with a clear-cut #1 WR is going to draft another in the top 5 unless his name is Matt Millen. That's absurd. You can't get a return on that investment from a #2 WR (especially with an All Pro TE taking a lot of looks, too).
Horrible idea.
dude i can't give you anymore slack. you are just one god-awful QB loving queef.
QB/passing league. really?
put up the stats right now with the teams left in the playoffs and how they won that you can say that this is a QB pass-happy league.
show me. show me right now!
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You don't draft a WR to make your QB position better. You actually draft the QB. Teams have tried... a lot, in fact. It's wagging the dog. The Browns won't be waiting for Garroppolo or Fales to draft their QB in a QB league. Not a prayer.
It's Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles. That's the discussion. No team with a clear-cut #1 WR is going to draft another in the top 5 unless his name is Matt Millen. That's absurd. You can't get a return on that investment from a #2 WR (especially with an All Pro TE taking a lot of looks, too).
Horrible idea.
You don't draft a WR to make your QB position better. You actually draft the QB. Teams have tried... a lot, in fact. It's wagging the dog. The Browns won't be waiting for Garroppolo or Fales to draft their QB in a QB league. Not a prayer.
It's Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles. That's the discussion. No team with a clear-cut #1 WR is going to draft another in the top 5 unless his name is Matt Millen. That's absurd. You can't get a return on that investment from a #2 WR (especially with an All Pro TE taking a lot of looks, too).
Horrible idea.
you do know that Gordon is one mistake away from a year suspension. watkins would be the insurance policy for that doomsday scenario.
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I don't think there's any rules against having more than one good receiver.
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I was curious enough to look, as the Broncos stick out in my mind that they are only in the final four due to offense (i.e. P Manning). Just touching the surface of stats, we have:
Broncos rated #1 overall offense, by YPG for the regular season (#1 in passing YPG): http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=2013&seasonType=REG&Submit=Go
P Manning threw 300+ yds for all games in the regular season but two (but still well past the 250+ mark). One of those they lost to Chargers 20-27, the other was a win against the Raiders, 34-14. The Broncos scored 30+ points in all their games except three. Two against Rivers and the Chargers, in which one they won 28-20 and the other they lost 20-27. The third game under 30 points was their win against the Chiefs 27-17.
They only lost three games. Aside from the Chargers game I mentioned above, the two other games were against Luck and the Colts, 33-39 and Brady and the Patriots, 31-34. http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule?team=DEN
Yet they are nowhere to be found in the top 5 defenses this year in the regular season. They never held a team to single digit scores this season. Not one. And only four games did they hold their opponents to less than 20.
When we get to postseason, things change some. But they did only play one game as they had a bye. They are #1 overall in defense YPG (#4 in passing and #1 in rushing YPG): http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=2013&seasonType=POST&Submit=Go
Interestingly they are not in the top 5 for offense at all in the postseason. Again this is only one game, vs the Chargers, which they won 24-17 and Peyton threw for under 300 yards again, at 230 total, his lowest for the entire season.
Ok I've run out of time to look up the other three right now, but this one I think is going to be the unique one where strong offense has clearly gotten the Broncos where they are today. IMO: what this means is you need a Peyton Fucking Manning caliber QB if you want to get far on the offense side of the ball and with average to less-than-elite defense at best. And probably none of the QBs coming out of this draft are going to be the next P Manning.
The remaining final four teams I believe the findings will be this in a nutshell:
Patriots: Tom Brady/Bill Belichick, 'nuff said. Their offense nor defense is listed as a top 5 by YPG in regular season. Postseason they are #5 overall offense and #1 in rushing offense YPG.
49ers/Seahawks: Defense defense defense. Seahawks #1 overall D and #1 in passing D YPG. 49ers are #5 overall and #4 in rushing D YPG.
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One more thing I noticed, in regards to top DEF's. Panthers, Bengals, and Saints are the other teams in the top 5. So why are they out already?
Bengals lost in playoffs because you still have to have a servicable offense/QB at minimum. Dalton is not even that.
Saints D is up there thanks to Rob Ryan, and Brees is obviously elite but couldn't get past the Seahawks crazy good D.
Panthers, I think, it's probably because Cam Newton is still young and learning. And they got knocked out by a solid 49er defense.
I heard Kaepernick has been struggling all season but I've not looked up his stats yet to see what's going on. So again a solid D is probably to thank for where they are today. (That and good 'ol Phil. Lol.)
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I was curious enough to look, as the Broncos stick out in my mind that they are only in the final four due to offense (i.e. P Manning). Just touching the surface of stats, we have:
Broncos rated #1 overall offense, by YPG for the regular season (#1 in passing YPG): http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=2013&seasonType=REG&Submit=Go
P Manning threw 300+ yds for all games in the regular season but two (but still well past the 250+ mark). One of those they lost to Chargers 20-27, the other was a win against the Raiders, 34-14. The Broncos scored 30+ points in all their games except three. Two against Rivers and the Chargers, in which one they won 28-20 and the other they lost 20-27. The third game under 30 points was their win against the Chiefs 27-17.
They only lost three games. Aside from the Chargers game I mentioned above, the two other games were against Luck and the Colts, 33-39 and Brady and the Patriots, 31-34. http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule?team=DEN
Yet they are nowhere to be found in the top 5 defenses this year in the regular season. They never held a team to single digit scores this season. Not one. And only four games did they hold their opponents to less than 20.
When we get to postseason, things change some. But they did only play one game as they had a bye. They are #1 overall in defense YPG (#4 in passing and #1 in rushing YPG): http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=2013&seasonType=POST&Submit=Go
Interestingly they are not in the top 5 for offense at all in the postseason. Again this is only one game, vs the Chargers, which they won 24-17 and Peyton threw for under 300 yards again, at 230 total, his lowest for the entire season.
Ok I've run out of time to look up the other three right now, but this one I think is going to be the unique one where strong offense has clearly gotten the Broncos where they are today. IMO: what this means is you need a Peyton Fucking Manning caliber QB if you want to get far on the offense side of the ball and with average to less-than-elite defense at best. And probably none of the QBs coming out of this draft are going to be the next P Manning.
The remaining final four teams I believe the findings will be this in a nutshell:
Patriots: Tom Brady/Bill Belichick, 'nuff said. Their offense nor defense is listed as a top 5 by YPG in regular season. Postseason they are #5 overall offense and #1 in rushing offense YPG.
49ers/Seahawks: Defense defense defense. Seahawks #1 overall D and #1 in passing D YPG. 49ers are #5 overall and #4 in rushing D YPG.
Ok I've run out of time to look up the other three right now, but this one I think is going to be the unique one where strong offense has clearly gotten the Broncos where they are today. IMO: what this means is you need a Peyton Fucking Manning caliber QB if you want to get far on the offense side of the ball and with average to less-than-elite defense at best. And probably none of the QBs coming out of this draft are going to be the next P Manning.
thank you.
and yes people can run around and throw for 1k yds every game. come to cleveland or seattle w/o a running game in january and see how far you go.
and yes DEFENSES WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS you stoopid muther fuckers.
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You don't draft a WR to make your QB position better. You actually draft the QB. Teams have tried... a lot, in fact. It's wagging the dog. The Browns won't be waiting for Garroppolo or Fales to draft their QB in a QB league. Not a prayer.
It's Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles. That's the discussion. No team with a clear-cut #1 WR is going to draft another in the top 5 unless his name is Matt Millen. That's absurd. You can't get a return on that investment from a #2 WR (especially with an All Pro TE taking a lot of looks, too).
Horrible idea.
dude i can't give you anymore slack. you are just one god-awful QB loving queef.
QB/passing league. really?
put up the stats right now with the teams left in the playoffs and how they won that you can say that this is a QB pass-happy league.
show me. show me right now!
dude i can't give you anymore slack. you are just one god-awful QB loving queef.
QB/passing league. really?
put up the stats right now with the teams left in the playoffs and how they won that you can say that this is a QB pass-happy league.
show me. show me right now!
Here are stats... not sure what they mean...
Of the 12 teams that made the playoffs...
12 out of 12 ranked in the top 16 in "Team Passer Rating" (4 out of 4 remaining, obviously)
11 of the 12 ranked in the top 16 in Points Per Game on offense (4 out of 4 remaining, all top 11)
9 of the 12 ranked in the top 16 in Points allowed Per game on defense (3 out of 4 remaining)
7 of the 12 teams ranked in the top 16 in "Team Passing yards per game" (2 out of remaining 4)
10 of the 12 teams ranked in the top 16 in "Team Passing TDs" (3 out of 4 remaining)
9 of the 12 ranked in the top 16 in "Yards per pass attempt" (3 out of 4 remaining)
9 of the 12 teams ranked in the top 16 in "Team Rushing Yards per Game" (4 out of 4 remaining)
10 of the 12 teams ranked in the top 16 in "Team Rusing TDs" (4 out of 4 remaining)
8 of the 12 teams ranked in the top 16 in "Team Rusing Yards per attempt" (3 out of 4 remaining)
Looks to me like QB efficiency, balance on offense, and scoring points are key... wow, what a concept... unfortunately the Browns did none of those 3 things last year...
#Justsayin'
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