Mel Kiper NFL Mock 1.0
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Still too early for mocks.
I disagree with him about manziel but whatev.
I'd like to get Dennard from msu somehow tho.
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But the second try was just a waste of time if the RB picked there doesn't produce. In fact, if the RB picked there doesn't break some Browns rookie rushing records, it's a downgrade.
People often mistake this. I'm not saying that Richardson was good or that this trade can't or won't work out in the Browns' favor. The only thing I ever try to point out in this discussion is that there is the possibility that whatever/whomever is picked with that pick MAY not prove to be more helpful to the Browns than Richardson was. So, before we declare it a "good trade" or "genius move", let's wait and see how it turns out. We know what we had, now let's wait and see what we get.
I'm not saying that Richardson was good or that this trade can't or won't work out in the Browns' favor. The only thing I ever try to point out in this discussion is that there is the possibility that whatever/whomever is picked with that pick MAY not prove to be more helpful to the Browns than Richardson was. So, before we declare it a "good trade" or "genius move", let's wait and see how it turns out. We know what we had, now let's wait and see what we get.
OK... but you have to admit the odds are in our favor...
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Depends on how you look at it, I guess. If we're going by "all first round picks ever picked", then yeah, a lot of guys end up contributing. If we're going by recent Browns first round picks... now the odds are a little slimmer.
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Depends on how you look at it, I guess. If we're going by "all first round picks ever picked", then yeah, a lot of guys end up contributing. If we're going by recent Browns first round picks... now the odds are a little slimmer.
I mean, I'm sure the colts would happily take the 26 pick back for TR. They'd probably include their 2nd too.Depends on how you look at it, I guess. If we're going by "all first round picks ever picked", then yeah, a lot of guys end up contributing. If we're going by recent Browns first round picks... now the odds are a little slimmer.
TR is one of those recent browns picks you describe. My bet is we go for a WR at 26, maybe a guard anyway. Mel Kipper is crazy for thinking we go rb at 26 anyway.
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Right, and that was my original point. Taking a RB at #26 is kind of inviting disaster now. No one would happier than me if the Browns took some player that ended up contributing at literally ANY position. I completely hope that they do. I just think that people tend to look at the words "[future] first round pick" and think "we're going to get a great player with that!" And that is entirely possible. Maybe it is even probable. But it is not guaranteed. A future first round pick has just as much chance of ending in a bust as a past first round pick did.
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I would love it if Carlos Hyde turned out to be Adrian Peterson and we got him at the bottom of the first round.
But I don't think anyone is comparing him to a second coming of jim brown. I wouldn't mind having Johnny Manziel at 4 since I believe is upside could be spectacular. But more often than not Heisman quarterbacks fail.
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I would love it if Carlos Hyde turned out to be Adrian Peterson and we got him at the bottom of the first round.
But I don't think anyone is comparing him to a second coming of jim brown. I wouldn't mind having Johnny Manziel at 4 since I believe is upside could be spectacular. But more often than not Heisman quarterbacks fail.
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I would love it if Carlos Hyde turned out to be Adrian Peterson and we got him at the bottom of the first round.
But I don't think anyone is comparing him to a second coming of jim brown. I wouldn't mind having Johnny Manziel at 4 since I believe is upside could be spectacular. But more often than not Heisman quarterbacks fail.
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Manziel and Hyde with a tough defensive coach sounds great.
I can see Johnny scrambling for time and finding Gordon running deep with 5 yards on his man.
I'm ready for football season! What's that ... it's not over? Well hurry up and get it over so we start all over with new hope again!
Zombo
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Question, if the Steelers are "fags" as posted with our pick, what does that make the Browns? .
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Question, if the Steelers are "fags" as posted with our pick, what does that make the Browns? .
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Anyone associated with ESPN has no meaning to me at all. They have their own agenda and these draft gurus are paid to bring interest to certain players.
Anyone associated with ESPN has no meaning to me at all. They have their own agenda and these draft gurus are paid to bring interest to certain players.
THIS^^^
I fucking hate Mel Kiper...god that guy is such dbag. All these mock draft fgts have me wanting to punch them in the face. Months and months of "guru's" literally blowing it out their asses. It's like kibble they dole out every other week to the drooling mass of fans from irrelevant teams who are perpetually picking high. They usually don't have their 1.0's out before the SB so expect there to be a Kiper 14.0 by draft time.
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Anyone associated with ESPN has no meaning to me at all. They have their own agenda and these draft gurus are paid to bring interest to certain players.
THIS^^^
I fucking hate Mel Kiper...god that guy is such dbag. All these mock draft fgts have me wanting to punch them in the face. Months and months of "guru's" literally blowing it out their asses. It's like kibble they dole out every other week to the drooling mass of fans from irrelevant teams who are perpetually picking high. They usually don't have their 1.0's out before the SB so expect there to be a Kiper 14.0 by draft time.
THIS^^^
I fucking hate Mel Kiper...god that guy is such dbag. All these mock draft fgts have me wanting to punch them in the face. Months and months of "guru's" literally blowing it out their asses. It's like kibble they dole out every other week to the drooling mass of fans from irrelevant teams who are perpetually picking high. They usually don't have their 1.0's out before the SB so expect there to be a Kiper 14.0 by draft time.
Eh, I don't really like or dislike the guy as much as any other draft 'guru'. People want mock drafts as early as possible and that's what he tries to do. He just gets the most visibility so he takes the most heat for his bad predictions and player ratings. I think what a lot of people don't fully get is how protected NFL team's draft boards are and how hard it is to get information from a team about them. I watched a documentary where they interviewed formers GM's, evaluators etc and I recall one guy saying that it's the most safely guarded secret a team has. Sure occasional stuff leaks but I think it's a lot harder to truly know how teams rank players, positions etc. For example, take Geno Smith from last year. I'd say most reputable draft guys had him as the 1st/2nd rated QB and almost a sure thing to go in the 1st round and look what happened.
I think the biggest thing is just to take drafts up until a few weeks before with a grain of salt. All these guys are basically doing the same thing we are except they get paid to do it all day instead of a hobby.
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And that's kind of my problem with it. If it is so well guarded and there is no way for ANYONE to speak about it with any level of certainty, then why are these guys being paid? Well, because people want to hear what they have to say. Why do people want to hear what they have to say? Because they give people the impression that they have some sort of insight the rest of us don't have. Basically, it is dishonest to have it both ways. Either Mel Kiper and the rest of the experts know enough to formulate an educated guess, in which case we should listen to them, or they don't have any more clue than the rest of us and there's no point in listening to them. It doesn't make any sense to say, "Hey! Listen to me! I know what I'm talking about here!" and then, when you're proven utterly wrong, to say, "Well, there was no way I could have known. No one could."
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And that's kind of my problem with it. If it is so well guarded and there is no way for ANYONE to speak about it with any level of certainty, then why are these guys being paid? Well, because people want to hear what they have to say. Why do people want to hear what they have to say? Because they give people the impression that they have some sort of insight the rest of us don't have. Basically, it is dishonest to have it both ways. Either Mel Kiper and the rest of the experts know enough to formulate an educated guess, in which case we should listen to them, or they don't have any more clue than the rest of us and there's no point in listening to them. It doesn't make any sense to say, "Hey! Listen to me! I know what I'm talking about here!" and then, when you're proven utterly wrong, to say, "Well, there was no way I could have known. No one could."
And that's kind of my problem with it. If it is so well guarded and there is no way for ANYONE to speak about it with any level of certainty, then why are these guys being paid? Well, because people want to hear what they have to say. Why do people want to hear what they have to say? Because they give people the impression that they have some sort of insight the rest of us don't have. Basically, it is dishonest to have it both ways. Either Mel Kiper and the rest of the experts know enough to formulate an educated guess, in which case we should listen to them, or they don't have any more clue than the rest of us and there's no point in listening to them. It doesn't make any sense to say, "Hey! Listen to me! I know what I'm talking about here!" and then, when you're proven utterly wrong, to say, "Well, there was no way I could have known. No one could."
I do think they have much more of an educated guess because I'd hope they take the time to evaluate players based on film, interviews etc. Most people here including myself take our opinions from what others say and a few games we may have watched on TV of a guy. The only thing I'd say again is mock drafts are what people want and so naturally people are going to get paid to do them. It's the same reason Tebow is going to eventually be a lead person on ESPN like Ray Lewis (I'd bet my car on that). If it wasn't Kiper it'd be someone else and it will be once he retires.
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So now we have a HC with a focus on defense, do we trade up for Downey? Or stay put and grab Barr?
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We will take the best QB from the bunch and leave the bruised and stunted ones on the shelf.
Which means we will take Derek Carr, who will take us to the playoffs.
He has all the tools from which to draw from; he is mentally strong, has intelligence, a strong arm(a cannon), can make plays with his feet when needed but will give the pocket respect, he is accurate with his throws(gives the WR, and usually only the receiver a chance to make the play, throws it to where the receiver can make a play after the catch, puts good touch on his short throws and a zip on the quick ones) pretty much can flat out make all the throws, he doesn't come with all the hype of being the next R2D2 or Mike Vick, his brother was the number one overall draft pick at a relatively young age so he's grown up around the NFL and understands the business- he's not a young kid from the gutter with stars in his eyes.
I see the younger Carr, Derek doing great things in the future. Not saying that the other QB's will not have success, that would be foolish to pretend to know that, but in Derek Carr you have a young man that wants to be the best to ever play the position, a guy that will do the work needed- both in the classroom and on the field, both in practice and in games. He is our best chance, I believe, at QB.
He would also be a great understudy to a guy like Hoyer. Perfect match made in QB heaven IMO.
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Derek Carr in early 2nd round?
6'3" with a rocket arm and learn from Hoyer who sat behind Tom Brady for 2 seasons.. Ya, i can dig that.
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uh oh. derek carr is PoG's new TR.
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!
btw. mel kiper couldn't pick his ass from a hole in the ground.
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uh oh. derek carr is PoG's new TR.
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!
btw. mel kiper couldn't pick his ass from a hole in the ground.
uh oh. derek carr is PoG's new TR.
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!
btw. mel kiper couldn't pick his ass from a hole in the ground.
Mel is no better or worse than anyone else out there now doing the job that he essentially invented.
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Mel Kiper Jr?
The same guy that called Manziel a 2nd round pick at BEST in October.
The same guy that rated Geno Smith a top 3 pick in last year's draft.
The same guy that rated B. Gabbert a top 5 pick in 2011 draft.
Take a look at this article and you'll see guys like McShady and Kiper might be no better than your cleaning lady.
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