Message to Haslam:
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Gipper...go fuck yourself. I must have missed it when you were elected ruler of this board. My post didn't insinuate in any way that I would root for another team. I'm damn tired of watching for the last 14 years as a an imposter of a team that I grew up with, changes owners and coaches with the same regularity that that you change your Depends. This is not now, and never will be the same team that left here in '95. You can spew all the legal crap you want, about the franchise never left Cleveland...blah, blah, blah. It doesn't make it true. When Modell took the team, that was the end. It's something we should have recognized and accepted then. If your wife leaves you, then 4 years later, by some miracle, you find another woman to marry you, do you call her by the same name as your first wife? Two different scenarios could have transpired. You're at the HOF with your 17 year old son. Scenario #1...you show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and tell him. "Sadly, the scumbag owner moved the team in 1995, and took them to Baltimore, to become the Baltimore Ravens." "It was a great team, and one of the winningest professional teams in all of sports." Gee Dad...I sure wish I could have seen them play." Scenario #2....You show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and he says.."The Browns? you mean the Cleveland Clowns, Dad. They suck! Have they ever won more than 5 games in a season?" The Steelers!.....that's my team!" Enjoy your delusional hope that some day, this fiasco will transform into the 1986 Browns. Reality sucks, but there it is. So sue me.
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This is not unknown territory. Pro football teams have had consecutive losing seasons longer than the Browns have. Been six seasons since the 2007 10-6 run, and five years before that in 2002 was a playoff appearance. Yeah it still sucks but it's not going to be the end of everything as we know it for the Browns and being a Browns fan. There WILL be a return of winning seasons and playoffs. When that happens, these slumps will go down in history as obscure data that mostly only Browns fans will say "Remember those dark years?". Just like you say with "Remember when the Browns were feared and a contender?".
You said you were just venting, and I hope your request to change the Browns name was just that...venting. Same for saying they will never be as they were in the old days (Of course some of that's true. No NFL team will truly be like they were in the old days.) If you're serious, then you need to hang it up. If you still have desire for the Browns to win, and are glad they are still here after all the shit they've been through, then that is a fan I want to celebrate with as they turn this into success again.
We can bitch, we can hate the brass, we can voice our displeasure, but never give up on the team itself. Watch some other NFL games on the side if you need to see some "good" football to help you through this. Jeezus I sound like some sort of NFL fan counselor.
You're HOF examples I am living something similar to that. My oldest son who's now in college, is a Steelers fan. His mother, my ex, is too so is definitely to blame for being a bad influence. But when he was young he used to root with me for the Browns. But all he saw was the pain of consistent losing, meanwhile Steelers went to playoffs and Super Bowls. Someday I might forgive him.
My youngest I hope it will be different. (For one, both his parents are Browns fans.) It'd be nice if he grows up with a different Browns than the one my oldest grew up with. As I fan I believe he will. If not, which I seriously doubt, but if not...I'm still a Browns fan to my dying day. And no regrets, ever! -
I very much respect your perspective, and I'm also a Cleveland Browns for life. There is a lot of truth in your statements. Remember the "Aint's"? The simple fact is, with all our memories of good, dominant, Browns teams, how many of those are from the current team('99 - present)? Even 2007....a perrenial back up qb played over his head for one season. I'll always be a Browns fan, however this revolving door of owners/ coaches / qb's / presidents / is making me crazy. I know I will pay for this, but I really miss Art Modell.
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BTW I should point out that I'm 39, and did not watch the Browns until the Kosar years. That's all I have to remember for them being serious and consistent contenders.
I agree 2007 was some sort of flukey year, but it's still a winning season.
Modell fucked this franchise over thank God he didn't get to take it with him. He's to blame for the Browns being forced to start from scratch with a team and personnel, and all the growing pains that come with starting anew, but this team doesn't need him back. They need to find success just in spite of him. It's a good thing he didn't have any offspring. If it were up to me, and he were to come back from the dead and offer to get the Browns out of this mess, I'd tell him to fuck off I'll do it myself. Some might say that's stubborn and stupid, but it'd be shameful to have success only through him. Just my opinion of course.
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Gipper...go fuck yourself. I must have missed it when you were elected ruler of this board. My post didn't insinuate in any way that I would root for another team. I'm damn tired of watching for the last 14 years as a an imposter of a team that I grew up with, changes owners and coaches with the same regularity that that you change your Depends. This is not now, and never will be the same team that left here in '95. You can spew all the legal crap you want, about the franchise never left Cleveland...blah, blah, blah. It doesn't make it true. When Modell took the team, that was the end. It's something we should have recognized and accepted then. If your wife leaves you, then 4 years later, by some miracle, you find another woman to marry you, do you call her by the same name as your first wife? Two different scenarios could have transpired. You're at the HOF with your 17 year old son. Scenario #1...you show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and tell him. "Sadly, the scumbag owner moved the team in 1995, and took them to Baltimore, to become the Baltimore Ravens." "It was a great team, and one of the winningest professional teams in all of sports." Gee Dad...I sure wish I could have seen them play." Scenario #2....You show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and he says.."The Browns? you mean the Cleveland Clowns, Dad. They suck! Have they ever won more than 5 games in a season?" The Steelers!.....that's my team!" Enjoy your delusional hope that some day, this fiasco will transform into the 1986 Browns. Reality sucks, but there it is. So sue me.
Gipper...go fuck yourself.
Is that an offer?
I must have missed it when you were elected ruler of this board.
:huh:You didn't get the memo?
My post didn't insinuate in any way that I would root for another team. I'm damn tired of watching for the last 14 years as a an imposter of a team that I grew up with, changes owners and coaches with the same regularity that that you change your Depends.
Like what? You are the only one that is fed up?
This is not now, and never will be the same team that left here in '95. You can spew all the legal crap you want, about the franchise never left Cleveland...blah, blah, blah. It doesn't make it true.
Yes, it does, actually.
FYI, in my opinion if Modell had not done what he did...he would have simply sold the team to Al Lerner who became the owner anyway. And then we would have had Randy anyway. So it is not really like the history of this team would really have changed much.
When Modell took the team, that was the end. It's something we should have recognized and accepted then. If your wife leaves you, then 4 years later, by some miracle, you find another woman to marry you, do you call her by the same name as your first wife?
No, but that is not the proper analogy. In this case, we were simply separated from the same wife for 3 years. Its just that when the same wife came back she had issues and developed Alzheimer's or something. But it is still the same woman.
different scenarios could have transpired. You're at the HOF with your 17 year old son. Scenario #1...you show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and tell him. "Sadly, the scumbag owner moved the team in 1995, and took them to Baltimore, to become the Baltimore Ravens." "It was a great team, and one of the winningest professional teams in all of sports." Gee Dad...I sure wish I could have seen them play." Scenario #2....You show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and he says.."The Browns? you mean the Cleveland Clowns, Dad. They suck! Have they ever won more than 5 games in a season?" The Steelers!.....that's my team!" Enjoy your delusional hope that some day, this fiasco will transform into the 1986 Browns. Reality sucks, but there it is. So sue me.
So? You admit that you suck balls at parenting such that you would really allow one of your children to root for the Steelers?
I would sue you for Child Abuse.
Like I said, FRAK, if you want to root for a team with a different name....there are 31 others out there you can spoon over.
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Would you want to see a winning team in Cleveland not named the Browns? Changing the name, changes nothing as far as turning this around. The only thing changing the name does is take us even farther from the glory days you cherish so much. IMO the new generation deserves to see THE BROWNS turn this around. If not the name will be forever tainted, to where people 50 years from now, will remember the shit storm we've endured, not the good 'ole days. Thats not fair to players on those championship teams, or the city.
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Jimmy is never changing the name, the helmet or the colors. Ever. Embrace the history.
We will be "veterans" of the great drought of 99-13, just like we are veterans of Red Right 88, The Drive, The Fumble and The Move.
All the sweeter when we win. We ARE the Cleveland Browns. The one constant is the fans.
We'll be back on top. And by the time we get there, every last front runner will have become a Steeler fan and it'll be us Real Browns fans celebrating the return of Greatness.
I'm willing to wait for it.
But I expect it next year.
Zombo
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Jimmy is never changing the name, the helmet or the colors. Ever. Embrace the history.
We will be "veterans" of the great drought of 99-13, just like we are veterans of Red Right 88, The Drive, The Fumble and The Move.
All the sweeter when we win. We ARE the Cleveland Browns. The one constant is the fans.
We'll be back on top. And by the time we get there, every last front runner will have become a Steeler fan and it'll be us Real Browns fans celebrating the return of Greatness.
I'm willing to wait for it.
But I expect it next year.
Zombo
There's always next year! : DZombo said:
Jimmy is never changing the name, the helmet or the colors. Ever. Embrace the history.
We will be "veterans" of the great drought of 99-13, just like we are veterans of Red Right 88, The Drive, The Fumble and The Move.
All the sweeter when we win. We ARE the Cleveland Browns. The one constant is the fans.
We'll be back on top. And by the time we get there, every last front runner will have become a Steeler fan and it'll be us Real Browns fans celebrating the return of Greatness.
I'm willing to wait for it.
But I expect it next year.
Zombo
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Gipper...go fuck yourself.
Is that an offer?
I must have missed it when you were elected ruler of this board.
:huh:You didn't get the memo?
My post didn't insinuate in any way that I would root for another team. I'm damn tired of watching for the last 14 years as a an imposter of a team that I grew up with, changes owners and coaches with the same regularity that that you change your Depends.
Like what? You are the only one that is fed up?
This is not now, and never will be the same team that left here in '95. You can spew all the legal crap you want, about the franchise never left Cleveland...blah, blah, blah. It doesn't make it true.
Yes, it does, actually.
FYI, in my opinion if Modell had not done what he did...he would have simply sold the team to Al Lerner who became the owner anyway. And then we would have had Randy anyway. So it is not really like the history of this team would really have changed much.
When Modell took the team, that was the end. It's something we should have recognized and accepted then. If your wife leaves you, then 4 years later, by some miracle, you find another woman to marry you, do you call her by the same name as your first wife?
No, but that is not the proper analogy. In this case, we were simply separated from the same wife for 3 years. Its just that when the same wife came back she had issues and developed Alzheimer's or something. But it is still the same woman.
different scenarios could have transpired. You're at the HOF with your 17 year old son. Scenario #1...you show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and tell him. "Sadly, the scumbag owner moved the team in 1995, and took them to Baltimore, to become the Baltimore Ravens." "It was a great team, and one of the winningest professional teams in all of sports." Gee Dad...I sure wish I could have seen them play." Scenario #2....You show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and he says.."The Browns? you mean the Cleveland Clowns, Dad. They suck! Have they ever won more than 5 games in a season?" The Steelers!.....that's my team!" Enjoy your delusional hope that some day, this fiasco will transform into the 1986 Browns. Reality sucks, but there it is. So sue me.
So? You admit that you suck balls at parenting such that you would really allow one of your children to root for the Steelers?
I would sue you for Child Abuse.
Like I said, FRAK, if you want to root for a team with a different name....there are 31 others out there you can spoon over.
So? You admit that you suck balls at parenting such that you would really allow one of your children to root for the Steelers?
I would sue you for Child Abuse.
Well shit. I'm thinking you didn't read my post and only replied to lodilobo's. My son is a great kid and has his head on straight. A's honor student has his private pilot's license, and is going to college for a degree in aviation. Yes somehow I failed miserably on where his sports loyalties lie. He's more of a hockey fan but his pro football team of choice is, sadly, the Stoolers. I jab at him constantly about this. It's like a disease in this part of Ohio. I have some family members that are Stooler fans, others are Browns fans with Stoolers fan spouses, and children too.
I promise it will be much better with my younger son. I'm older now and have learned from my mistakes.
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Jimmy is never changing the name, the helmet or the colors. Ever. Embrace the history.
We will be "veterans" of the great drought of 99-13, just like we are veterans of Red Right 88, The Drive, The Fumble and The Move.
All the sweeter when we win. We ARE the Cleveland Browns. The one constant is the fans.
We'll be back on top. And by the time we get there, every last front runner will have become a Steeler fan and it'll be us Real Browns fans celebrating the return of Greatness.
I'm willing to wait for it.
But I expect it next year.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Jimmy is never changing the name, the helmet or the colors. Ever. Embrace the history.
We will be "veterans" of the great drought of 99-13, just like we are veterans of Red Right 88, The Drive, The Fumble and The Move.
All the sweeter when we win. We ARE the Cleveland Browns. The one constant is the fans.
We'll be back on top. And by the time we get there, every last front runner will have become a Steeler fan and it'll be us Real Browns fans celebrating the return of Greatness.
I'm willing to wait for it.
But I expect it next year.
Zombo
You know, it is not like other teams haven't gone through tough times.....and more or less none of them changed their names.
I mean, the Cardinals are the oldest franchise in football, and still have the same name.
Now, some teams have changed their names for whatever reason. One of the reason that makes sense is if the franchise moves.....but this franchise DID NOT move, despite what people think. Some teams changed names years ago because they dropped their baseball affiliation. Here are teams that have changed their name:
Decatur Staleys....Chicago Bears
Portsmouth Spartans.....Detroit Lions
Houston Oilers.....Tennessee Titans
Boston Braves....Washington Redskins
Pittsburgh Pirates....Pittsburgh Steelers
New York Titans....NY Jets
Dallas Texans....Kansas City Chiefs
The Jets are the only team to change their name where it had nothing to do with a relocation or reidentification from a baseball teams name.
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So? You admit that you suck balls at parenting such that you would really allow one of your children to root for the Steelers?
I would sue you for Child Abuse.
Well shit. I'm thinking you didn't read my post and only replied to lodilobo's. My son is a great kid and has his head on straight. A's honor student has his private pilot's license, and is going to college for a degree in aviation. Yes somehow I failed miserably on where his sports loyalties lie. He's more of a hockey fan but his pro football team of choice is, sadly, the Stoolers. I jab at him constantly about this. It's like a disease in this part of Ohio. I have some family members that are Stooler fans, others are Browns fans with Stoolers fan spouses, and children too.
I promise it will be much better with my younger son. I'm older now and have learned from my mistakes.
Well shit. I'm thinking you didn't read my post and only replied to lodilobo's. My son is a great kid and has his head on straight. A's honor student has his private pilot's license, and is going to college for a degree in aviation. Yes somehow I failed miserably on where his sports loyalties lie. He's more of a hockey fan but his pro football team of choice is, sadly, the Stoolers. I jab at him constantly about this. It's like a disease in this part of Ohio. I have some family members that are Stooler fans, others are Browns fans with Stoolers fan spouses, and children too.
I promise it will be much better with my younger son. I'm older now and have learned from my mistakes.
I would check your family's DNA. There appears to still be some Troglodyte or Neanderthal blood still running in your family....and on occasion those recessive genes come to the forefront.
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Well shit. I'm thinking you didn't read my post and only replied to lodilobo's. My son is a great kid and has his head on straight. A's honor student has his private pilot's license, and is going to college for a degree in aviation. Yes somehow I failed miserably on where his sports loyalties lie. He's more of a hockey fan but his pro football team of choice is, sadly, the Stoolers. I jab at him constantly about this. It's like a disease in this part of Ohio. I have some family members that are Stooler fans, others are Browns fans with Stoolers fan spouses, and children too.
I promise it will be much better with my younger son. I'm older now and have learned from my mistakes.
I would check your family's DNA. There appears to still be some Troglodyte or Neanderthal blood still running in your family....and on occasion those recessive genes come to the forefront.
I would check your family's DNA. There appears to still be some Troglodyte or Neanderthal blood still running in your family....and on occasion those recessive genes come to the forefront.
Well, my first wife (my oldest son's mother) was a Stoolers fan so that explains a lot right there. Living so close to the border you'll find a lot more of those around.
As for my DNA, no need to dig very far. My father's side is predominately Browns fans and where I get most of my sports affiliation. My mother's side is more the mix...and her roots are from PA. She's been in Ohio since she was about five, if I recall correctly, and so she has relatives (mostly the generation above her) are still in PA.
I do have a lot of body hair...and I've read that usually hair genes come from the mother's side. Thanks Mom. I'm Cro-Magnon. Browns mind trapped in a Stoolers body.
My second wife is a born and raised Cleveland girl, with family all around that area. So my younger son has much better odds! I take solace in this.
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Don't take that loser Dripper too seriously. I can tell, you don't. He's just some small time ambulance chaser with too much time on his hands. He's always good for a laugh when he pulls out his ancient archives on sports, and spews names of teams that no one ever heard of. His trivia posts suck, too.
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Gipper...go fuck yourself.
Is that an offer?
I must have missed it when you were elected ruler of this board.
:huh:You didn't get the memo?
My post didn't insinuate in any way that I would root for another team. I'm damn tired of watching for the last 14 years as a an imposter of a team that I grew up with, changes owners and coaches with the same regularity that that you change your Depends.
Like what? You are the only one that is fed up?
This is not now, and never will be the same team that left here in '95. You can spew all the legal crap you want, about the franchise never left Cleveland...blah, blah, blah. It doesn't make it true.
Yes, it does, actually.
FYI, in my opinion if Modell had not done what he did...he would have simply sold the team to Al Lerner who became the owner anyway. And then we would have had Randy anyway. So it is not really like the history of this team would really have changed much.
When Modell took the team, that was the end. It's something we should have recognized and accepted then. If your wife leaves you, then 4 years later, by some miracle, you find another woman to marry you, do you call her by the same name as your first wife?
No, but that is not the proper analogy. In this case, we were simply separated from the same wife for 3 years. Its just that when the same wife came back she had issues and developed Alzheimer's or something. But it is still the same woman.
different scenarios could have transpired. You're at the HOF with your 17 year old son. Scenario #1...you show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and tell him. "Sadly, the scumbag owner moved the team in 1995, and took them to Baltimore, to become the Baltimore Ravens." "It was a great team, and one of the winningest professional teams in all of sports." Gee Dad...I sure wish I could have seen them play." Scenario #2....You show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and he says.."The Browns? you mean the Cleveland Clowns, Dad. They suck! Have they ever won more than 5 games in a season?" The Steelers!.....that's my team!" Enjoy your delusional hope that some day, this fiasco will transform into the 1986 Browns. Reality sucks, but there it is. So sue me.
So? You admit that you suck balls at parenting such that you would really allow one of your children to root for the Steelers?
I would sue you for Child Abuse.
Like I said, FRAK, if you want to root for a team with a different name....there are 31 others out there you can spoon over.
Gipper...go fuck yourself.
Is that an offer?
I must have missed it when you were elected ruler of this board.
:huh:You didn't get the memo?
My post didn't insinuate in any way that I would root for another team. I'm damn tired of watching for the last 14 years as a an imposter of a team that I grew up with, changes owners and coaches with the same regularity that that you change your Depends.
Like what? You are the only one that is fed up?
This is not now, and never will be the same team that left here in '95. You can spew all the legal crap you want, about the franchise never left Cleveland...blah, blah, blah. It doesn't make it true.
Yes, it does, actually.
FYI, in my opinion if Modell had not done what he did...he would have simply sold the team to Al Lerner who became the owner anyway. And then we would have had Randy anyway. So it is not really like the history of this team would really have changed much. OPINION is the key word, here.
When Modell took the team, that was the end. It's something we should have recognized and accepted then. If your wife leaves you, then 4 years later, by some miracle, you find another woman to marry you, do you call her by the same name as your first wife?
No, but that is not the proper analogy. In this case, we were simply separated from the same wife for 3 years. Its just that when the same wife came back she had issues and developed Alzheimer's or something. But it is still the same woman.
No...my analogy was the proper one....it just took you 3 years to re marry. If your first wife was Carol, why do you insist on calling your second wife Carol, when her name is Ann?
different scenarios could have transpired. You're at the HOF with your 17 year old son. Scenario #1...you show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and tell him. "Sadly, the scumbag owner moved the team in 1995, and took them to Baltimore, to become the Baltimore Ravens." "It was a great team, and one of the winningest professional teams in all of sports." Gee Dad...I sure wish I could have seen them play." Scenario #2....You show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and he says.."The Browns? you mean the Cleveland Clowns, Dad. They suck! Have they ever won more than 5 games in a season?" The Steelers!.....that's my team!" Enjoy your delusional hope that some day, this fiasco will transform into the 1986 Browns. Reality sucks, but there it is. So sue me.
So? You admit that you suck balls at parenting such that you would really allow one of your children to root for the Steelers? Yes...I guess my parenting is so bad, I would encourage my kid to be himself/herself. By the way....we were using your offspring as an example. Not mine.
I would sue you for Child Abuse.Damn....you really are sue happy! I've always suspected as much.
Like I said, FRAK, if you want to root for a team with a different name....there are 31 others out there you can spoon over. Thanks for your permission.
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Don't take that loser Dripper too seriously. I can tell, you don't. He's just some small time ambulance chaser with too much time on his hands. He's always good for a laugh when he pulls out his ancient archives on sports, and spews names of teams that no one ever heard of. His trivia posts suck, too.
Don't take that loser Dripper too seriously. I can tell, you don't. He's just some small time ambulance chaser with too much time on his hands. He's always good for a laugh when he pulls out his ancient archives on sports, and spews names of teams that no one ever heard of. His trivia posts suck, too.
I don't do PI. Probate, Bankruptcy, Real Estate, that sort of thing.
But yes, I do pull out information about the history of the game that educates all y'all.
If my trivia posts suck in your opinion....then I challenge you to do your own.
Otherwise, face it, you are just jealous because I am smarter, better looking and have a bigger dick.
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Gipper...go fuck yourself.
Is that an offer?
I must have missed it when you were elected ruler of this board.
:huh:You didn't get the memo?
My post didn't insinuate in any way that I would root for another team. I'm damn tired of watching for the last 14 years as a an imposter of a team that I grew up with, changes owners and coaches with the same regularity that that you change your Depends.
Like what? You are the only one that is fed up?
This is not now, and never will be the same team that left here in '95. You can spew all the legal crap you want, about the franchise never left Cleveland...blah, blah, blah. It doesn't make it true.
Yes, it does, actually.
FYI, in my opinion if Modell had not done what he did...he would have simply sold the team to Al Lerner who became the owner anyway. And then we would have had Randy anyway. So it is not really like the history of this team would really have changed much. OPINION is the key word, here.
When Modell took the team, that was the end. It's something we should have recognized and accepted then. If your wife leaves you, then 4 years later, by some miracle, you find another woman to marry you, do you call her by the same name as your first wife?
No, but that is not the proper analogy. In this case, we were simply separated from the same wife for 3 years. Its just that when the same wife came back she had issues and developed Alzheimer's or something. But it is still the same woman.
No...my analogy was the proper one....it just took you 3 years to re marry. If your first wife was Carol, why do you insist on calling your second wife Carol, when her name is Ann?
different scenarios could have transpired. You're at the HOF with your 17 year old son. Scenario #1...you show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and tell him. "Sadly, the scumbag owner moved the team in 1995, and took them to Baltimore, to become the Baltimore Ravens." "It was a great team, and one of the winningest professional teams in all of sports." Gee Dad...I sure wish I could have seen them play." Scenario #2....You show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and he says.."The Browns? you mean the Cleveland Clowns, Dad. They suck! Have they ever won more than 5 games in a season?" The Steelers!.....that's my team!" Enjoy your delusional hope that some day, this fiasco will transform into the 1986 Browns. Reality sucks, but there it is. So sue me.
So? You admit that you suck balls at parenting such that you would really allow one of your children to root for the Steelers? Yes...I guess my parenting is so bad, I would encourage my kid to be himself/herself. By the way....we were using your offspring as an example. Not mine.
I would sue you for Child Abuse.Damn....you really are sue happy! I've always suspected as much.
Like I said, FRAK, if you want to root for a team with a different name....there are 31 others out there you can spoon over. Thanks for your permission.
Gipper...go fuck yourself.
Is that an offer?
I must have missed it when you were elected ruler of this board.
:huh:You didn't get the memo?
My post didn't insinuate in any way that I would root for another team. I'm damn tired of watching for the last 14 years as a an imposter of a team that I grew up with, changes owners and coaches with the same regularity that that you change your Depends.
Like what? You are the only one that is fed up?
This is not now, and never will be the same team that left here in '95. You can spew all the legal crap you want, about the franchise never left Cleveland...blah, blah, blah. It doesn't make it true.
Yes, it does, actually.
FYI, in my opinion if Modell had not done what he did...he would have simply sold the team to Al Lerner who became the owner anyway. And then we would have had Randy anyway. So it is not really like the history of this team would really have changed much. OPINION is the key word, here. (you might want to differentiate when you make new comments. Different color/italics etc.
Yes...it is opinion as to what MIGHT have happened if Modell had not moved. That is all speculative.
But what DID happen is fact.....not subject to speculation or opinion.
When Modell took the team, that was the end. It's something we should have recognized and accepted then. If your wife leaves you, then 4 years later, by some miracle, you find another woman to marry you, do you call her by the same name as your first wife?
No, but that is not the proper analogy. In this case, we were simply separated from the same wife for 3 years. Its just that when the same wife came back she had issues and developed Alzheimer's or something. But it is still the same woman.
No...my analogy was the proper one....it just took you 3 years to re marry. If your first wife was Carol, why do you insist on calling your second wife Carol, when her name is Ann?
Because there was NO second wife. There was only Carol. Its just that Carol got fatter, uglier, and suffered a brain anyeurism.
different scenarios could have transpired. You're at the HOF with your 17 year old son. Scenario #1...you show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and tell him. "Sadly, the scumbag owner moved the team in 1995, and took them to Baltimore, to become the Baltimore Ravens." "It was a great team, and one of the winningest professional teams in all of sports." Gee Dad...I sure wish I could have seen them play." Scenario #2....You show him the proud history of the Cleveland Browns, and he says.."The Browns? you mean the Cleveland Clowns, Dad. They suck! Have they ever won more than 5 games in a season?" The Steelers!.....that's my team!" Enjoy your delusional hope that some day, this fiasco will transform into the 1986 Browns. Reality sucks, but there it is. So sue me.
So? You admit that you suck balls at parenting such that you would really allow one of your children to root for the Steelers? Yes...I guess my parenting is so bad, I would encourage my kid to be himself/herself. By the way....we were using your offspring as an example. Not mine.
Well, my son is not a sports fan....but at least he has the good sense to know that if he were one he wouldn't be a Steeler fan.
I would sue you for Child Abuse.Damn....you really are sue happy! I've always suspected as much.
No,not really. I rarely engage in litigation, even as an attorney.
Like I said, FRAK, if you want to root for a team with a different name....there are 31 others out there you can spoon over. Thanks for your permission.
I didn't give you permission....I simply acknowledge the fact that you don't mind being considered a FRAK.
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Alright Dildo(I rarely resort to name calling, but you started it)...if I were a FRAK, I would have a closet full of Steelers, Bengals, Seahwawks and Broncos jerseys. All I have are Tim Couch, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Kelly Holcomb, Spurgeon Winn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell, and Brian Hoyer jerseys. Can you fix a speeding ticket for me?
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Jimmy is never changing the name, the helmet or the colors. Ever. Embrace the history.
We will be "veterans" of the great drought of 99-13, just like we are veterans of Red Right 88, The Drive, The Fumble and The Move.
All the sweeter when we win. We ARE the Cleveland Browns. The one constant is the fans.
We'll be back on top. And by the time we get there, every last front runner will have become a Steeler fan and it'll be us Real Browns fans celebrating the return of Greatness.
I'm willing to wait for it.
But I expect it next year.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Jimmy is never changing the name, the helmet or the colors. Ever. Embrace the history.
We will be "veterans" of the great drought of 99-13, just like we are veterans of Red Right 88, The Drive, The Fumble and The Move.
All the sweeter when we win. We ARE the Cleveland Browns. The one constant is the fans.
We'll be back on top. And by the time we get there, every last front runner will have become a Steeler fan and it'll be us Real Browns fans celebrating the return of Greatness.
I'm willing to wait for it.
But I expect it next year.
Zombo
Well, I'll never give up- but it would be hard for most of the regulars around here to miss that I've never been as down about my team as I am right now. As I said "this team has hit rock bottom, and started to dig." Yes Jimmy, the rest of the NFL is laughing behind your back.
Let's hope Pettine turns into the next Paul Brown, and Lombardi finally gets a clue and drafts a couple all-pros in the 2014 draft.
There's a lot of hard feelings in the locker room that will need to be soothed- you can bet Joe Thomas is even more sick of the coaching carousel than we are.
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Alright Dildo(I rarely resort to name calling, but you started it)...if I were a FRAK, I would have a closet full of Steelers, Bengals, Seahwawks and Broncos jerseys. All I have are Tim Couch, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Kelly Holcomb, Spurgeon Winn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell, and Brian Hoyer jerseys. Can you fix a speeding ticket for me?
Alright Dildo(I rarely resort to name calling, but you started it)...if I were a FRAK, I would have a closet full of Steelers, Bengals, Seahwawks and Broncos jerseys. All I have are Tim Couch, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Kelly Holcomb, Spurgeon Winn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell, and Brian Hoyer jerseys.
Well, then don't talk like a FRAK, wanting to root for some other team.
Can you fix a speeding ticket for me?
You would have to be stopped in the right jurisdiction.....and even then the answer would have to be NO. What kind of public servant do you think I am?
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Alright Dildo(I rarely resort to name calling, but you started it)...if I were a FRAK, I would have a closet full of Steelers, Bengals, Seahwawks and Broncos jerseys. All I have are Tim Couch, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Kelly Holcomb, Spurgeon Winn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell, and Brian Hoyer jerseys.
Well, then don't talk like a FRAK, wanting to root for some other team.
Can you fix a speeding ticket for me?
You would have to be stopped in the right jurisdiction.....and even then the answer would have to be NO. What kind of public servant do you think I am?
Alright Dildo(I rarely resort to name calling, but you started it)...if I were a FRAK, I would have a closet full of Steelers, Bengals, Seahwawks and Broncos jerseys. All I have are Tim Couch, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Kelly Holcomb, Spurgeon Winn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell, and Brian Hoyer jerseys.
Well, then don't talk like a FRAK, wanting to root for some other team.Never said that...color option is not working
Can you fix a speeding ticket for me?
You would have to be stopped in the right jurisdiction.....and even then the answer would have to be NO. What kind of public servant do you think I am?
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