Mike Pettine Time?
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I stumbled upon this website and as a Bills fan, FWIW, I'll give a little insight into this conversation.
Points allowed is not always the best stat to compare squads. I'm not sure where the stat is, but the Bills defense faced the highest number of opposing drives throughout the year in the entire league and allowed the least number of points per drive. Also, ranked 2nd in INTs and either 1st or 2nd in sacks.
We had an anemic offense and an awful special teams that allowed short fields to many teams.
In no way do I want to see Pettine leave the Bills. He re-worked our entire defense and ended up sending 4 players to the pro bowl, as well as a possible DROY (Alonso). Not to mention Leodis McKelvin and Jerry Hughes having the best seasons of their careers in his style. Injuries hampered a lot of the secondary throughout the year but he was still able to get results from his players. He has a very aggressive approach, bringing complicated blitz looks and heavy press-man coverage.
The only dig would be that our run defense did not improve much last year. Not to say that it was his fault, but that would be the only gripe with him.
Bills fans love Pettine and definitely do not way to see him leave.
Reminds me of a Maddenism "If you want to win the game, you have to score more points than the other team." Points allowed are THE most important metric.
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Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.
Well we beat you with special teams and defense IMO. Weeden did have a nice TD bomb that game though.
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Then why does the NFL use yards per game as the metric? Just a guess but i think they know better than you.
Which would you choose? A Bills defense that allows 500 yards a game but only gives up 13 points per game OR a Bills defense that allows 200 yards a game but give up 24 points per game.
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Uh oh! Has the age of the "Bend but Don't Break" defense returned to Cleveland?
Lol, yeah, it would be fine if a hypothetical defense gave up 826yds per game and 0 points. The problem is, in reality, it doesn't happen that way. The record for longest FG was just broken this year. Sure, there are teams that are better and worse in the Red Zone and teams that have higher and lower turnover ratios, but, IN GENERAL, if you're giving up yards, you're giving up points.
By the way, if your defense is giving up 200 yards and 24 points per game, you have some nightmarishly bad special teams.
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Then why does the NFL use yards per game as the metric? Just a guess but i think they know better than you.
Which would you choose? A Bills defense that allows 500 yards a game but only gives up 13 points per game OR a Bills defense that allows 200 yards a game but give up 24 points per game.
Which would you choose? A Bills defense that allows 500 yards a game but only gives up 13 points per game OR a Bills defense that allows 200 yards a game but give up 24 points per game.
Too many factors go into points... short fields, special teams.... too many yards given up likely means time of possession is bad too.
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Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.
When did we blow multiple two score leads? You realize offense and special teams are also part of the game as well? Rookie QB (Manuel) goes down for several weeks and having to start two rookie QBs (Tuel and Lewis) with hardly any NFL experience really puts a lot of pressure on your defense...which kept them in several games when the offense did absolutely nothing.
When did we blow multiple two score leads? You realize offense and special teams are also part of the game as well? Rookie QB (Manuel) goes down for several weeks and having to start two rookie QBs (Tuel and Lewis) with hardly any NFL experience really puts a lot of pressure on your defense...which kept them in several games when the offense did absolutely nothing.
Against Atlanta in Toronto? The defense let the Falcons take over that game up until Chandler and Johnson blew it, we had a big lead and Atlanta scored 4 times in 5 possessions to take the lead away.
Plus, EJ getting hurt meant nothing. Thad Lewis was just as good and Tuel started off great vs. KC so whatever. The Bills were respectable on defense but come on now, we aint the freakin Seahawks!
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Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
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Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
I agree. Bill Belicheck let a Mangini led Browns team score 34 points on them in a terrible loss.
That means Mangini>Belicheck
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Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
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Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
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Well....the hiring of Pettine is NOT final. In fact, it appears, per the radio that some new "Mystery Candidate" may still be in the picture.
And speculation is that that mystery man may be someone they wanted all along: Josh McDaniels....who may be having a change of heart and wants back in the running.
I saw a rumor McDaniels is sniffing around again too.
Just like when you get a new girlfriend and the chick that turned you down sees you out and says "hmm".
It would take me a long time to warm up to McDaniels..
I'd be onboard with Pettine before the press conference is over.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I saw a rumor McDaniels is sniffing around again too.
Just like when you get a new girlfriend and the chick that turned you down sees you out and says "hmm".
It would take me a long time to warm up to McDaniels..
I'd be onboard with Pettine before the press conference is over.
Zombo
LOL, hire McDaniels as assistant HC, OC- the only way they can do it.
I'll miss seeing you a time or two a year since it sounds like you are tossing the season tickets.
I'll never toss the season tickets 'Peen- those are inheritance for the nieces and nephews. But as I'm sure you realize, I'm more than a little upset about the current state of the Browns. Not much we can do but sit and wait to see if they really hire Pettine, who he brings in as coordinators, and who Lobotomy drafts.
LOL, I heard the Stooges are offering Pettine an eight game contract, with an option for another eight.
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Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
I agree. Bill Belicheck let a Mangini led Browns team score 34 points on them in a terrible loss.
That means Mangini>Belicheck
I agree. Bill Belicheck let a Mangini led Browns team score 34 points on them in a terrible loss.
That means Mangini>Belicheck
So now Pettine is Belicheck? Fucking hell...Don't get me wrong, if he is our coach, I want him to succeed. Let's just be honest, he was our 6th choice after not being able to grab anyone else and not anoint him as something great coming from a 6-10 team with a mediocre defense that he ran last year.
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Grossi tweeted about 30 minutes ago that the Browns were expected to pop the question to Pettine tonight, which means it's likely it won't happen.
Even still, I jumped the gun and did a write up on the guy. There's some interesting facts about his defense and what he could bring to the team.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/249206/browns_to_hire_mike_pettine.html
Talk on SportsCenter as I type this that final contract terms are being hammered out with Pettine... and that Josh McD turned us down.. again...
Sentiment seems to be that while a good hire, Pettine does not seem to be what our FO really wanted, i.e., an Offense oriented HC.
Smells like panic...
Even still, I jumped the gun and did a write up on the guy. There's some interesting facts about his defense and what he could bring to the team.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/249206/browns_to_hire_mike_pettine.html
Nice early take, but I'm not seeing the importance of the Tackle total for comparing the teams.
1) I was not a huge fan of (Shurmur), but I also think he deserved another year.
The above is grounds for a piss-test...
We had an anemic offense and an awful special teams that allowed short fields to many teams.
Then he'll feel right at home in Cleveland...
LOL, I heard the Stooges are offering Pettine an eight game contract, with an option for another eight.
Whose option?
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I agree. Bill Belicheck let a Mangini led Browns team score 34 points on them in a terrible loss.
That means Mangini>Belicheck
So now Pettine is Belicheck? Fucking hell...Don't get me wrong, if he is our coach, I want him to succeed. Let's just be honest, he was our 6th choice after not being able to grab anyone else and not anoint him as something great coming from a 6-10 team with a mediocre defense that he ran last year.
So now Pettine is Belicheck? Fucking hell...Don't get me wrong, if he is our coach, I want him to succeed. Let's just be honest, he was our 6th choice after not being able to grab anyone else and not anoint him as something great coming from a 6-10 team with a mediocre defense that he ran last year.
I was inferring don't judge a guy based on one game.
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I agree. Bill Belicheck let a Mangini led Browns team score 34 points on them in a terrible loss.
That means Mangini>Belicheck
So now Pettine is Belicheck? Fucking hell...Don't get me wrong, if he is our coach, I want him to succeed. Let's just be honest, he was our 6th choice after not being able to grab anyone else and not anoint him as something great coming from a 6-10 team with a mediocre defense that he ran last year.
Ugh he forgot the pink font.So now Pettine is Belicheck? Fucking hell...Don't get me wrong, if he is our coach, I want him to succeed. Let's just be honest, he was our 6th choice after not being able to grab anyone else and not anoint him as something great coming from a 6-10 team with a mediocre defense that he ran last year.
The other top candidates sucked worse anyway IMO.
The Bill's defense blew away Horton's too.
They suffered from the same QB carousel and lousy special teams we did, not a bad defense.
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Horton is over-hyped, to say the least. I'm glad he's gone.
How can you say Horton was over-hyped? Correct me if I'm wrong but was anyone predicting that in one year our new defense would pee all over the 85 bears or the steel curtain from the 70's? Was that what everyone was expecting? I'm sorry but can you please explain how Horton failed after just one year? How can you be glad that we're turning the scheme over.................again
How can you say Horton was over-hyped? Correct me if I'm wrong but was anyone predicting that in one year our new defense would pee all over the 85 bears or the steel curtain from the 70's? Was that what everyone was expecting? I'm sorry but can you please explain how Horton failed after just one year? How can you be glad that we're turning the scheme over.................again
How about the fact that he was labeled as one of the next "great" defensive coordinators after what he did in Arizona, yet the Cardinals actually did better this season without him there and finished ahead of the Browns in overall defense.
Or the fact that we have a stable of pass rushing specialists but are mired in the middle of the league in sacks.
Or the fact that our defense has made minimal, at best, improvements in many key statistics.
Or the fact that we had nearly the worst fourth quarter and redzone defense in the entire NFL.
I think people expected a little more from him than that.
And we're not changing schemes so that, like the rest of your post, is erroneous.
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How can you say Horton was over-hyped? Correct me if I'm wrong but was anyone predicting that in one year our new defense would pee all over the 85 bears or the steel curtain from the 70's? Was that what everyone was expecting? I'm sorry but can you please explain how Horton failed after just one year? How can you be glad that we're turning the scheme over.................again
How about the fact that he was labeled as one of the next "great" defensive coordinators after what he did in Arizona, yet the Cardinals actually did better this season without him there and finished ahead of the Browns in overall defense.
Or the fact that we have a stable of pass rushing specialists but are mired in the middle of the league in sacks.
Or the fact that our defense has made minimal, at best, improvements in many key statistics.
Or the fact that we had nearly the worst fourth quarter and redzone defense in the entire NFL.
I think people expected a little more from him than that.
And we're not changing schemes so that, like the rest of your post, is erroneous.
How about the fact that he was labeled as one of the next "great" defensive coordinators after what he did in Arizona, yet the Cardinals actually did better this season without him there and finished ahead of the Browns in overall defense.
Or the fact that we have a stable of pass rushing specialists but are mired in the middle of the league in sacks.
Or the fact that our defense has made minimal, at best, improvements in many key statistics.
Or the fact that we had nearly the worst fourth quarter and redzone defense in the entire NFL.
I think people expected a little more from him than that.
And we're not changing schemes so that, like the rest of your post, is erroneous.
Agreed, but let's also mention the absolutely LOUSY tackling & also awful 3rd down D!
Mike!
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Our D is the reason we lost some games single handedly this year.
We can't even use the "but if we had good QB play this year"
JC had a few really solid games that we lost this year.
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Hmmm... I don't know if I'd say the D lost us some games. I haven't gone back and looked,... maybe they did? I might be wrong. But if you're referring to some of those games in which we were ahead and kept giving the ball back to the other team without running much time off the clock, I don't think we can hang that solely on the D...
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Hmmm... I don't know if I'd say the D lost us some games. I haven't gone back and looked,... maybe they did? I might be wrong. But if you're referring to some of those games in which we were ahead and kept giving the ball back to the other team without running much time off the clock, I don't think we can hang that solely on the D...
Hmmm... I don't know if I'd say the D lost us some games. I haven't gone back and looked,... maybe they did? I might be wrong. But if you're referring to some of those games in which we were ahead and kept giving the ball back to the other team without running much time off the clock, I don't think we can hang that solely on the D...
Definitely not solely, but a game winning NE drive hurt among others I can't specifically remember.
Really there's probably 3 games that the QB played very well and we lost, indicating a good QB will not make us instant super bowl contenders as some seem to think.
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